Has The Nissan Gt-r Got Toyota Running Scared?

[ras1983]

So does anyone actually know if the LF-A is meant to be the replacement for the Supra? Or is there another model to replace the Supra?

[rev210]

I think the LF-A is a lexus release only?

[gts-4 dreamer]

If I lived in the city and never left hte city I would consider fwd... but honestly.. if I have to drive over 60kph I want a rwd car... why... it will turn better and that means I will not hit some dead shit doingg stupid stuff trying to kill my family... there is the other idea that I dont want to run over some kid who happens to run out infront of my car either. rwd handles better and turns better... the difference increases as the speed increases. dispute it with some kind of proof and i would change my mentality...

The other idea why I hate fwd is going up a hill with my trailer fool of bikes. do that on a wet road with a few of the boys in the car... good times...

i like burnouts too... fwd burnouts are crap. dont let the bean counters win and make cars for cheaper and sell them at a premium.. oh wait.. I live in aus... crap..

If it only works once a year.. its a good year?

[CONRAD]

Someone correct me here, but i was under the impression that the supra 2jz, had a faster 1/4 time than an r33 gtr, and was renowned for its excellent neutral handling despite its curb weight(hmmm do i see a similarity to the r35)

BMI I would imagine would be a pretty good indicator considering theres a pro driver in each ride. it's not gospel, but worth taking a look at,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leSnYtGJ8gk

[scathing]

If I lived in the city and never left hte city I would consider fwd...

What's this got to do with the LFA / GT-R?

rwd handles better and turns better... the difference increases as the speed increases. dispute it with some kind of proof and i would change my mentality...

It depends on the situation. FWD is better in low-grip conditions as the nose can pull you out of a slide. Also, that stability in the nose makes it "safer" for your average pleb that would freeze up at the first sign of wheelspin. Understeer is safer than oversteer, both in terms of recovery from a slide and impact if the driver is unable to recover.

(BTW, I much prefer RWD because its more fun and a better platform for a driver's car, especially one with a reasonable amount of torque. But I still know FWD is superior to RWD in certain places, but those places are where you'd take a constant AWD car over either anyway.)

Also, apparently Lotus' chassis engineers "found that for a given vehicle weight, power and tire size, a front wheel drive car was always faster over a given section of road. There were definite advantages in traction and controllability, and drawbacks such as torque steer, bump steer, and steering kickback were not insurmountable." This is in reference to the second generation Elan, which was a FWD turbo. Autocar, who are a respected automotive magazine, called it "the fastest point to point car available" on its release.

Edited April 17, 2008 by scathing

[Bumblebee]

owned lol

[limpus]

My point is that there aint any Supras with street tires running under 10 sec quarter mile times. RWD and just too heavy - no matter how good the engine is.

RWDs are too heavy? Hahahaa...ok...

[Jimmy Boy]

I'd imagine

that Toyota are more concerned with becoming the #1 car maker on the

planet.

Correction 'Sustaining' they are currently the biggest (volume) car

manufacture in the world - I believe second is GM

Edited April 17, 2008 by Jimmy Boy

[MK2]

I'd sort of hope Toyota are running somewhere as a result as their product line has been... well, lets just say, Camry's are the 'New Beige' and Lexus are just sort of large comfy barges with widgets that cost a bit more.

They're Practical: Yes

Value for money: Yes

Work more often than not: Yes

Makes the company decent money: Yes

So boring, even the cops don't bother you: Yes

GM and Ford mostly make utter shite now: Yes

Neighbours think your a nice chap when you start it at 4:30am on a Sunday morning: Yes

Chances are, if you've bought a Toyota in about the last 5-8 years, its been for those reasons and probably not done you any ill with your purchase. In fact I'd commend them for any of those reasons and your a sensible person for doing so.

What Toyota don't make anymore is anything 'interesting'

I don't mean 'interesting' like, heated mirrors, rectum massagers in the seats, self-parking, DVD players and gas jets to drop down from the roof that can knock out unruly children.

No, interesting like-

It gets 25L to the 100km

It makes more noise than the big day out

It has enough torque to drag a dead elephant

It makes old people sneer and 'tsk' a lot when one goes past

It makes parents lock up their daughters at night, with a length of chain

It'll make the cops just start shooting before flicking on the lights and then issue defects for the bullet holes in the side.

It'll make people think your the biggest fucken delinquent ever

It should (theoretically) be faster than someone else's car you know

Toyota don't make anything like that now. Even if you don't or can't own something like its something to aspire too or just look at for shits and giggles.

Edited April 20, 2008 by MK2

[Iron Chef]

No, interesting like-

It gets 25L to the 100km

It makes more noise than the big day out

It has enough torque to drag a dead elephant

It makes old people sneer and 'tsk' a lot when one goes past

It makes parents lock up their daughters at night, with a length of chain

It'll make the cops just start shooting before flicking on the lights and then issue defects for the bullet holes in the side.

It'll make people think your the biggest fucken delinquent ever

It should (theoretically) be faster than someone else's car you know

lmao - seriously, that's the funniest shit I've read all year. And I want a car like that, too...actually I have an RX-7, so I qualify on your first point...

Edited April 20, 2008 by vrfour

[limpus]

I'd certainly consider the howl of the V10 in the LFA interesting...don't you?

[scathing]

Camry's are the 'New Beige'

Camry drivers are the new Volvo drivers.

But yeah, I can't think of anything Toyota's built in the last decade (at least) that I'd actually want to own. Plenty of cars I'd recommend to other people, if they didn't care (and didn't want to care) how they got from A to B...but that's it.

[The Baron]

Latest LF-A video - they are doing a 'race' version for the Nurburgring 24 hour race apparently - doesn't sound or look too bad (Even somewaht Supra-esque on the side profile ;-)

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/superca...ed-at-the-ring/

[GTS4WD]

Camry drivers are the new Volvo drivers.

Brillantly said!

[Amir]

the lf-a sounds very F1 from the video link above

Edited April 23, 2008 by Amir

[limpus]

Holy SH!T...now that is a soundtrack!!! imagine having that on the road...and letting it rip in a tunnel with the windows down...

[MBS206]

Look up the Lexus ISF.

Toyota is in talks at the moment with Japan to get it in Aust.

400 or 500 odd BHP. Cheaper then an M3 and the AMG merc. And quicker.

Whilst heavier then the M3, and only pushing 3 more KW (100KG heavier) it does 0 - 100 from memory 0.3 seconds quicker...

8 speed flappy paddle...

[scathing]

It also understeers a whole bunch more than either car, so the IS-F is great if you want to go fast in a straight line with an awesome soundtrack (i.e. looking for an AMG competitor) but not so good if you want something that can handle corners (i.e. an M3 competitor).

[Whiplash]

the lf-a sounds very F1 from the video link above

i could swear that was a gallardo passing if i didn't see the lexus, they sound identical even the down shifts

Latest LF-A video - they are doing a 'race' version for the Nurburgring 24 hour race apparently - doesn't sound or look too bad (Even somewaht Supra-esque on the side profile ;-)

lexus have entered a factory team to run the LF-A in the Zurich 24HR next month, Its in the top class against the mighty 997RSR's, Vipers and Aston Martins. I was surprised nissan didn't have a GTR up and running. One of the privateer teams is building one but it won't be ready in time for the race

[_8OO5TED_]

i have just changed from a modified r33 gts-t to a stock JZA80 Supra TT and the Supra handles ALOT better than the Skyline ever did. The car 'feels' big but is a very comfortable drive. They are also deceptively quick. have seen bog stock 6spds run very low 13s and even a 12 with CAI and catback so they certainly match the GTR for performance. torque delivery is unbelievable and unmatched in its field. Once you own and drive one, they are a very hard car to fault. TRC system helps to put the power down very well, and with it off, the car has no dramas lighting the rears when stock.

I imagine the Lexus LF-A will compete very strongly with the R35 GTR, and I hope does. The more performance cars on the mark, the better the chance of keep the dream alive for us enthusiasts!