Nismo Proto Gtx-1 2500r

[sewid]

1993 GTST + money = special!

edit: forgot the stickers.

[evil_weevil]

It is the only one left in the world - so i'm guessing its $$$ value would be close to $100,000 if not more, but what its worth to Malcolm is undescribable!

But its also worth what someone would be willing to pay for it!

[Abo Bob]

Example of a fair minded post:

i agree with what you are saying...id love for this car to be proven to be what it has been stated it is. No problem, read one of my earlier posts up the page. But there must be some sort of documentation from Nissan/Nismo to prove its worth, its now one of the most contraversial Nissan vehicles on our shores. Without such proof, people are slicing holes in Malcoms and the cars credibility and some of his conflicting statements are making the fact even worse. Not withstanding this car is an awesome piece of machinery and a credit to him, no ones for a moment doubting that, it seems a little sus thats all.

Example of a rude and unnecessary post:

1993 GTST + money = special!

edit: forgot the stickers.

Why is there so little politeness on forums? You wouldn't punch a guy in the face if you thought he was exaggerating so why the e-punch?

[Swiper the Fox]

please dont close the thread...id like to see if the claims can be substantiated.

just hand out some warnings for clearly offensive remarks.

i cannot stress enough how i would love to see this car proven to be what it is. To have it on our shores and part of our motoring community would be a great honour. But until then its origin will always have a great element of doubt attached to it.

Edited April 23, 2008 by DiRTgarage

[Risking]

seems half the admins in here are the being the biggest dick heads about it!

If its fake who gives a rats arse, let him have his car and be proud of it. Does it hurt your big dollar cars that you've paid other people to build?? I think not.

Seems there is only ever hatred and egos amoung people that should be leading by example!!!

[sh@un]

since when does 375kW at the fly equal 450ps?

since when was any GTSt allowed to make more power than a GT-R from the factory?

anyway....

[NXTIME]

I have already mentioned how much I like this car. Great job, Malcolm.

Out of interest, what was the original turbo that was on this car before the TD05 was fitted?

[Marsss]

I, like many here, was under the impression that this car was an original proto... then someone called some sort of bluff and then this became a car that was built to have the same power and modifications that Nissan or Nismo actually thought of doing... kinda gave it a go... they made three.... but thought... naaaah!... let's make the Micra.. You, Malcolm, then decided that this could be that elusive third "meh" and rebuilt it... right?

For that alone, congratulations. The car looks great and would make anyone proud.

[msnismo]

I have already mentioned how much I like this car. Great job, Malcolm.

Out of interest, what was the original turbo that was on this car before the TD05 was fitted?

nismo generally uses ihi turbos, it would be one i guess.

also not having a stab, but to make this a actual genuine "nismo 2500R" he should follow the same trend as doing up a "genuine" gt falcon.. and source genuine 1993-1995 model parts as this was the date the car was made.

you cant expect to build up a geniune gt falcon and put on a set of pace maker headers and a cold air intake.... and pass it a "genuine". thats why the real ones get 500k+ not 45k.... down to the tyres and brake pads.

still a very clean car. but to achieve what you seem to want the only way would be to go back 15 years and take delivery of it.

its the same deal as the "nismo" r32 gtr's its just a body kit lol. nothinbg else. oh the badge too.. what inlet manifold did it apparently roll off with?

but for all intents and purposes a genuine nissan proto HAS to have NISSAN parts ONLY.

you cant get a r34 z tune and bolt on some hks turbos and a set of enkies and say its a "genuine nismo article"

but nice car. very clean and well presented. id lose all the brand name non nismo parts but..

edit dave here T04GTR

[rb26s13]

i thought he also said somewhere along the lines that the car came with a plenum in the boot? if so.. why wasnt that used? if nismo did make such a thing and the plenum came in the boot that was suppose to go on it.. why wasnt it used.

[malcolm]

Hi Malcom, ive met you before and commented to you about your car, i feel somewhat betrayed by what you have led people to believe the car is. Can you please show some sort of documentation or the like from Nissan to varify your claims about this car. Id love you to prove to me what you have is authentic so i can apoligise to you for doubting your credibility. Id love more than anyone to see this car as an authentic piece as at the moment its looking like some sort of "mock-up".

PAUL - HI THERE - I REMEMBER CHATTING TO YOU TOO AT AUTO SALON ABOUT YOUR CAR - I HOPE YOURE WELL - ITS REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME THAT ITS FULLY UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE HAVE NEVER BEEN ANY CLAIMS BY ANYONE THAT MY CAR IS A "ONE OFF NISMO SPECIAL LIMITED EDITION" ANYTHING !!?? - JUST LIKE OTHER CARS AT OTHER CAR MANUFACTURERS ALL OVER THE WORLD IT WAS AT THE TIME OF ITS COMPLETION ON THE ASSEMBLY LINE "DESIGNATED" FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES - NO DIFFERENT TO HOLDENS LIKE THE TORANAS XU-1 OR SLR 5000'S BEING GIVEN TO BROCKIE FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR A SPORTY NEW MODEL OR RACE CAR - ITS REALLY NOT A BIG DEAL AND HAPPENS ALL THE TIME - AS FAR MY CAR BEING AN "AUTHENTIC PIECE" !!?? - WELL I CAN SEE IT AND SIT IN IT AND DRIVE IT !! - IT DOESNT GET MUCH MORE AUTHENTIC FOR ME THAN THAT - I HAVE NEVER BEEN INTERESTED IN PROVING ANYTHING TO ANYBODY AS THERES BEEN NO CLAIMS MADE THAT NEED BACKING UP - TO CALL SOMETHING A "MOCK UP" WOULD ONLY BE SUGGESTING THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE BEFORE IT TO "REPLICATE" - AS NO 2500R'S WERE EVER PRODUCED THERE WAS NOTHING THERE TO COPY OR REBUILD - WHY THE NEED TO ASK FOR DOCUMENTATION RELATING TO WHY A CAR WAS CHOSEN TO GO HERE OR THERE OR ANYWHERE !!?? - A HANDFUL OF PLAQUES AN RB-X GT 1 STAMPED BLOCK AN "R" EMBOSSED TIMING BELT COVER AND NISMO DEMO CAR DECAL WAS MORE THAN ENOUGH TO INITIALLY WORK WITH - I DIDNT NEED TO CHECK WITH ANYONE WHEN I COULD SEE WITH MY OWN EYES - AFTER SEEING THE PLAQUES THEN REALISING THE SIMILARITY AND CONFIGURATION OF THE NAMES THE 400R AND VERY RARE 270R THEMES CAME INTO PLAY AS AN HISTORICAL TIE IN POINT - IT MADE SENSE TO ME WHY THE 400R WOULD HAVE AN ENGINE NAME LIKE RB-X GT 2 IF RB-X GT 1 WAS ALREADY EARMARKED - BUT I REALLY DIDNT THINK MUCH MORE ABOUT IT THAN THAT - BUT IN SAYING THAT WITHOUT THE 400R AND 270R'S EXISTENCE IT WOULDNT HAVE BEEN AS CLEAR - HENCE THE 2500R DECAL ALONG EACH SIDE / CARBON FIBRE BLADE ON THE WING AND SO ON - FROM A DESIGN AND PERSPECTIVE POINT OF VIEW ONCE MOTIVATION OF THEME HAS BEEN REALISED AND INITIATED MOST DECISIONS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT SUBSTANCE AND FORM WILL QUITE NATURALLY AND COSMETICALLY ANSWER THEMSELVES - FOR ME IT ALL COMES DOWN TO PASSION - IF YOURE PASSIONATE ENOUGH ABOUT SOMETHING THEN ANYTHINGS POSSIBLE - BASICALLY I FELT A DUTY TO THIS CAR - IT HAD A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY THAT NEEDED TELLING THROUGH REALISING ITS DESTINY - I HAD THE PASSION AND MOTIVATION TO SEE IT THROUGH - SIMPLE REALLY - IM SURE YOUVE EXPERIENCED MUCH THE SAME THING IN BUILDING YOUR R32 GTR - OR SHOULD I SAY MOST LIKELY MORE SO AS YOUR "QUALITY OF EXECUTION" AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL IS VERY IMPRESSIVE INDEED - BETRAYAL IS A HARSH WORD THAT SHOULDNT BE USED WITHOUT FIRST THINKING OF THE IMPACT BY WHICH IT CAN BE RECEIVED - HAPPILY I AM UNAFFECTED BY IT AS I HARBOUR NO GUILT NOR FEEL ANY NEED EVER TO - AN APOLOGY TO ME WHILE BEING AN EXTREMELY HONORABLE AND NOBLE GESTURE IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY IN THIS INSTANCE BUT IT WOULD BE RUDE OF ME NOT TO SAY THANKYOU ANYWAY - SO THANKYOU - IT WOULD BE SILLY OF ME TO HONESTLY THINK THAT SOMEONE IN JAPAN FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON WAS HAVING A LEND !!?? - AND IF SO - WHY ?? - CHEERS MALCOLM

[malcolm]

i thought he also said somewhere along the lines that the car came with a plenum in the boot? if so.. why wasnt that used? if nismo did make such a thing and the plenum came in the boot that was suppose to go on it.. why wasnt it used.

HI THERE - IT DID HAVE A PLENUM IN THE BOOT A GT-R ONE - IT WAS DAMAGED - HAD A CRACK IN IT FROM MEMORY - CHEERS MALCOLM

[malcolm]

nismo generally uses ihi turbos, it would be one i guess.

also not having a stab, but to make this a actual genuine "nismo 2500R" he should follow the same trend as doing up a "genuine" gt falcon.. and source genuine 1993-1995 model parts as this was the date the car was made.

you cant expect to build up a geniune gt falcon and put on a set of pace maker headers and a cold air intake.... and pass it a "genuine". thats why the real ones get 500k+ not 45k.... down to the tyres and brake pads.

still a very clean car. but to achieve what you seem to want the only way would be to go back 15 years and take delivery of it.

its the same deal as the "nismo" r32 gtr's its just a body kit lol. nothinbg else. oh the badge too.. what inlet manifold did it apparently roll off with?

but for all intents and purposes a genuine nissan proto HAS to have NISSAN parts ONLY.

you cant get a r34 z tune and bolt on some hks turbos and a set of enkies and say its a "genuine nismo article"

but nice car. very clean and well presented. id lose all the brand name non nismo parts but..

edit dave here T04GTR

HI THERE - THANKYOU FOR YOUR INPUT - AS FOR THE TURBO THAT WAS IN IT I HONESTLY DONT HAVE A CLUE - AS FAR AS MAKING IT A "GENUINE 2500R" ?? - AS IVE STATED BEFORE THAT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE AS THERE IS NO SUCH THING ! - HOW CAN YOU MAKE A GENUINE SOMETHING THAT HAS NEVER BEEN MADE ? - OR MAYBE YOURE ONTO SOMETHING THERE ! - MAYBE BECAUSE ONE HAS NEVER BEEN MADE AND MINE IS OBVIOUSLY NOW THE FIRST ONE TO BE MADE THAT IT CAN BE "GENUINELY THE FIRST 2500R TO EVER BE MADE BY MALCOLM" - I BET TOMMY KIARA IS SHITTING HIMSELF ALREADY - HEHE !! - CHEERS MALCOLM

[malcolm]

HI THERE - BEST I GIVE A CLUE IN RELATION TO THE "VALUE COMPETITION" - YOU NEED TO COMPARE ITS RELATIVE VALUE WHEN ITS 25 YEARS OLD IN MINT MODIFIED CONDITION TO A 1972 MODEL GLX DATSUN 1600 OR BETTER STILL ANY DATSUN 1600 SSS - NOW THESE CARS WERE ABOUT $3500.00 NEW AND A REALLY GOOD ONE LIKE THE BEST ONE ANYWHERE WILL GO FOR AS MUCH AS $25000.00 - MOST LIKELY MODDED TO THE MAX WITH AN FJ20 WITH ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES ETC.

IN FACT YOULL FIND THAT WITH NISSANS IT DOESNT MATTER IF THEYRE STANDARD OR MODDED ITS THE FACT THAT OVER THE YEARS SO MANY GET THRASHED AND DESTROYED THATS ITS THE SIMPLE FACT THAT SO LITTLE EXIST THAT MAKES THEM GET THE BIG BUCKS - ITLL BE NO DIFFERENT WITH THE SKYLINES OVER TIME THEYLL GET FEWER AND FEWER UNTIL THERES LITERALLY A HANDFUL OF MINT ONES LEFT - MY CAR ALREADY HAS AN "AGREED VALUE" IN RELATION TO DAMAGE AND THEFT THAT SOME R34 GTR'S WOULDNT QUALIFY FOR - SO GET THOSE THINKING CAPS BACK ON - CHEERS MALCOLM

[smasha]

Would you take out your R35 GTR out in the rain, f**k head?

Common sense.

Well aren't you just out to make friends...

The runs were on, track was dry.. no rain, GTR wasn't there, end of...

and yes i would.. what's it gonna do? Melt?

Back on topic though, I do admit reading the first post of the thread that I was under the impression that it was a Nismo/Omori prototype and the end product was a pristine example, however, reading back now, there's little clues in the way it was written that could leave it open to interpretation.

I see what you did there

PS. Love the car, malcom..

[Abo Bob]

I can vouch for Matt. He didn't post that or the another couple.

[smasha]

I can vouch for Matt. He didn't post that or the another couple.

In that case, I retract my earlier directive to Slimbo to slap him around the head for me when he gets home

[callan]

man, this thread delivers - fantastic read. lulz

[Abo Bob]

Ok thread cleaned up a little and reopened. Let's keep it polite and on topic please. Ignore this at your e-peril.

For what it's worth I think the car has/will have no more extrinsic value than any other random GTS25T with the same mods however it's intrinsic value to it's owner may be much higher.

[malcolm]

Cheers