Jump to content
SAU Community

Recommended Posts

yeah I agree that our prisons are way too comfy and punishment for certain crimes are also pretty soft but the Aussie justice system (agree with it or not) is built around rehabilitation which means keeping crooks out of prison at all cost, hence the amount of slaps on the wrist they get. They figure a petty thief will not be rehabilitated in prison, will only learn new crimes and once released will be unemployable (so the tax payer supports him) and will commit bigger crimes to survive.

Money is another issue......last time I checked (long time ago) we pay at least $100,000 a year for each crook incarcerated.

A better solution to our justice system (as barbaric as it may sound) is the introduction of public flogging for petty crimes which works a treat in countries like Singapore etc and its free for the tax payer.

Civil lawsuits and compensation should also be alot easier to pass on from the crook to the victim.....make them pay you with either their possessions or work for you for free for a certain period of time.

  • Replies 50
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

^^^ I agree Pete - but note that a reasonable chunk of the current $100,000 per year to house prisoners is the great quality food, computers, TV and all other luxuries they enjoy. Take these away and it would no doubt be much cheaper. Also smaller cells = jam more prisoners in.

It would be a slow(ish) process, but once would-be criminals find out how harsh my proposed jails would be, many would not commit the crimes for fear of the harsh punishment quality and duration.

Yes, public floggings is an awesome idea. I have been spruking the cutting off of a finger punishment as implemented in some Middle-eastern countries, but that may be a bit harsh. Public humiliation and flogging would work a treat.

i disagree Pete if you want a job doesn't mater if you've been in jail your still employable, a lot of the aforementioned criminals only want to easy option thinking there owed if for some injustice they've had dealt to them

...and once released will be unemployable...

A better solution to our justice system (as barbaric as it may sound) is the introduction of public flogging for petty crimes which works a treat in countries like Singapore etc and its free for the tax payer.

Civil lawsuits and compensation should also be alot easier to pass on from the crook to the victim.....make them pay you with either their possessions or work for you for free for a certain period of time.

dont forget the pee bucket that sit's next to your head while you sleep 6 men to a 2 man cell showers once a month pheewwwey

no canteen privilege's no $1.65 a day pay for being in jail (yes that's right us tax payers pay criminals to be in jail), no swimming pool (most country jails have pools)

^^^ I agree Pete - but note that a reasonable chunk of the current $100,000 per year to house prisoners is the great quality food, computers, TV and all other luxuries they enjoy. Take these away and it would no doubt be much cheaper. Also smaller cells = jam more prisoners in.

It would be a slow(ish) process, but once would-be criminals find out how harsh my proposed jails would be, many would not commit the crimes for fear of the harsh punishment quality and duration.

Yes, public floggings is an awesome idea. I have been spruking the cutting off of a finger punishment as implemented in some Middle-eastern countries, but that may be a bit harsh. Public humiliation and flogging would work a treat.

i disagree Pete if you want a job doesn't mater if you've been in jail your still employable, a lot of the aforementioned criminals only want to easy option thinking there owed if for some injustice they've had dealt to them

"if you want a job"............thats always the million $$$ question and generally the answer is no.

After all, once they are released and on a release program, authorities & rehab officers need to know their whereabouts for a set period of time so they jump the long queues with the cheap housing trust accommodation and end up in a small unit thats more comfortable than the cell they were in with more government hand outs and dirt cheap rent.

So why would they want to work.

Humiliation & public flogging is free and they can go back to work the next day.........or as soon as they can walk again.

normally you have to be released to family or a fixed address if you have no family and all that then they may get you a HT house this im not sure of

if you were inside that long you may be institutionalised, or you may have done studies usually maybe sometimes sorry older people reflect on what they've done and try to sort there shit out

young people couldn't care less and just want the free hand outs again

there's arguments for both sides really

^^^^ easy solution:

1) Make jails MUCH, MUCH more uncomfortable - they are relative havens of luxury now, compared with how some people live. Once you have committed and been convicted of a crime, you lose your right to any luxury. No bed mattresses or pillows, 6' x 6' single occupant cell, 1 hour exercise a day, basic meals in cell, no socialising with other prisoners except in the exercise yard, NO internet, NO TV or other entertainment. Take away ALL their basic rights except food and a little exercise. Once someone has been to jail he will NEVER want to go back, and will think hard about this before re-committing once let out.

2) triple the punishment for all crimes and widely publicise this. Crime = punishment - no more suspended sentences - PUNISH THEM

3) equal penalties for all races - the gang of 69 being a prime example. They keep being let off, only to commit more and more crimes, being more and more brazen. Race is no excuse for crimes - you always have a choice.

The only people to suffer if we do these things are criminals. Sooner or later they will wake up and actually be deterred by actually being punished, rather than the pathetically lax system we have at the moment.

:laughing-smiley-014: Last time i checked it was the gang of 49 :D

Guys... some punk scratched a guy's Merc in Singapore coz he felt like it, he got caught and got sentensed for 3 whip lashes...

and they arent the whip people use for fun either... this guy couldnt lie on his back for 2.5 months...

THATS WAT WE NEED!

Guys... some punk scratched a guy's Merc in Singapore coz he felt like it, he got caught and got sentensed for 3 whip lashes...

and they arent the whip people use for fun either... this guy couldnt lie on his back for 2.5 months...

THATS WAT WE NEED!

I've got a whip ... the real thing too :thumbsup:

I remember being able to do the Man From Snowy River thing ... crackin a whip on horseback. Wonder if I can still do it? ;)

* humming theme to "Man From Snowy River" in head *

Yes all this stuff it what I was on about hey. I do understand that people need a second chance in life, but not a dozen chances & this is the problem.

It also stems back to the penalties that younger people receive for committing crimes. They know they can get away with it, without any real penalty & by the time they are penalised for their crimes when they get older, it's already too late & they will always be criminals regardless of what kind of rehabilitation they are put though. Some people just go beyond the point of no return.

Having said that the penalties are no where near harsh enough & that means there is no incentive to stop committing crimes too. I've heard the term several times, 'all humans should have basic rights' well these crims in jail seem to have a hell of a lot more than 'basic' rights. What human should have the right to watch TV or play Playstation, when they've made someone else's life a living hell.

I also think they should be made to work a certain amout while they are in jail to contribute back to the public what they've taken, & until they've completed that required amount of work (whatever it may be) they don't get let out. Maybe then they'd have an appreciation for how hard some people work to get what they want, rather than try to take shortcuts.

On another note, I'm definitely not going to be taking my car to work again. Rang the crash repairer today & it's already up to over $3600 in parts that I require, a lot more than I was expecting.

Time for a daily me thinks, not real happy about it as I'd rather drive my Skyline all the time, but it's just not worth it now with so many 'too soft to do the hard yards' people out there.

Edited by J_Red33

thats a shame you feel that way Jared about driving your car hopefully time will heal that wound and maybe a better alarm that you can trust maybe with a proximity lazer like the star wars program mentioned when we were still in school :)

i guess @ 3600 you will be claiming on insurance

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • Lucky man, who owns it in the family? Any pics? 
    • The engine stuff is Greg Autism to the Max. I contacted Tony Mamo previously from AFR who went off to make his own company to further refine AFR heads. He is a wizard in US LS world. Pretty much the best person on earth who will sell you things he's done weird wizard magic to. The cam spec is not too different. I have a 232/234 .600/603 lift, 114LSA cam currently. The new one is 227/233 .638 .634. The 1.8 ratio roller rockers will effectively push this cam into the ~.670 range. These also get Mamo'ified to be drilled out and tapped to use a 10mm bolt over an 8mm for better stability. This is what lead to the cam being specced. The plan is to run it to 6800. (6600 currently). The Johnson lifters are to maintain proper lift at heavy use which is something the LS7's supposedly fail at and lose a bit of pressure, robbing you of lift at higher RPM. Hollow stem valves for better, well everything, Valve train control. I dunno. Hollow is better. The valves are also not on a standard valve angle. Compression ratio is going from 10.6 to 11.3. The cam is smaller, but also not really... The cam was specced when I generated a chart where I counted the frames of a lap video I had and noted how much of the time in % I spent at what RPM while on track at Sandown. The current cam/heads are a bit mismatched, the standard LS1 heads are the restriction to power, which is why everyone CNC's them to get a pretty solid improvement. Most of the difference between LS1->LS2->LS3 is really just better stock heads. The current cam is falling over about 600rpm earlier than it 'should' given the rest of my current setup. CNC'ing heads closes the gap with regards to heads. Aftermarket heads eliminate the gap and go further. The MMS heads go even further than that, and the heads I have in the box could quite easily be bolted to a 7.0 427ci or 454 and not be any restriction at all. Tony Mamo previously worked with AFR, designed new heads from scratch then eventually founded his own business. There he takes the AFR items and performs further wizardry, CNC'ing them and then manually porting the result. He also ports the FAST102 composite manifold: Before and after There's also an improved racing crank scraper and windage tray. Helps to keep oil in the pan. Supposedly gains 2% power. Tony also ports Melling oil pumps, so you get more oil pressure down low at idle, and the same as what you want up top thanks to a suitable relief spring. There's also the timing chain kit with a Torrington bearing to make sure the cam doesn't have any thrust. Yes I'll post a before and after when it all eventually goes together. It'll probably make 2kw more than a setup that would be $15,000 cheaper :p
    • Because the cars wheels are on blocks, you slide under the car.   Pretty much all the bolts you touched should have been put in, but not fully torque up.   Back them off a turn or two, and then tighten them up from under the car with the wheels sitting on the blocks holding car up in the air.
    • Yes. Imagine you have the car on the ground, and you mine away all the ground under and around it, except for the area directly under each individual wheel. That's exactly how it'd look, except the ground will be what ever you make the bit under each wheel from
    • Yes, if you set the "height" right so that it's basically where it would be when sitting on the wheel. It's actually exactly how I tighten bolts that need to be done that way. However....urethane bushes do NOT need to be done that way. The bush slides on both the inner and outer. It's only rubber bushes that are bonded to the outer that need to be clamped to the crush tube in the "home" position. And my car is so full of sphericals now that I have very few that I need to do properly and I sometimes forget and have to go back and fix it afterwards!
×
×
  • Create New...