2k Challenge - Best Bang For Buck

[No Crust Racing]

One of my former R33's has now been sold on to another of my mates and he has plans to up the power a tad.

He's budgeting 2K and wants it to be safe. I'm asking you guys coz I haven't had a Turbo car since I sold the GTR a year ago and it's been even longer since I had the Series II R33, RB25DET with manual cog swapper.

It currently has the following power wise.

Complete turbo back exhaust

Pod filter in heat shielded custom airbox

Dual boost mode for 7psi standard.

My guess was to go something like the following - prices are guesses too.

Slidewiz type highflow turbo ~900?

Justjap style FMIC kit ~ 400?

SAFC + tune ~ 200 + 800ish?

Fuel reg/pump? no idea.

I know that's more than 2k but I assumed my prices would be wrong or that I was overcompensating parts wise.

Max power is not the issue, engine safety and drivability is.

I also considered scrapping the FMIC in favour of an R34 GT-T side mount but I was unsure of the max power these could push.

PowerFC is out of the question due to costs.

My guess for the above was a healthy 200-220rwkw's if fuel mods were also done.

Thoughts?

Cheers

Dan

[R31Nismoid]

Fuel Pump - $200

FMIC - $450 (or less from our traders i think)

S-AFC + Tune - $700 give or take

Clutch - 1k

Thats the 2350 spent, and thats over the budget with no more room for coil packs being in need of replacement (always a possibility)

I woudnt upgrade the turbo on a S-AFC only, full ECU or nothing is my view there.

And then i dont like the 'affordable' turbos... prefer my researched and proven ball bearing models

Thats my view, if it doesnt have the stock clutch then maybe spend it on a diff? Usually they let go early too and a single spinner is the pits

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

i'd spend it on suspension mods...

*hugs suspension set up*

[dead32]

for the money i'd do things in order of reliability first up, i.e a good clutch, fuel pump etc, then later down the road when he's after more power, the previously mentioned mod's will come into affect and he can spend whatever he has saved up on actual power upgrade's...

my 2 cents

[NYTSKY]

You could buy my Power FC an Z32 for $1500? An absolute must for making use of more power.

[Swiper the Fox]

You could buy my Power FC an Z32 for $1500? An absolute must for making use of more power.

my list

2nd hand power fc

used jap exhaust

2nd hand blitz dual sol boost control

[BHDave]

my list

2nd hand power fc

used jap exhaust

2nd hand blitz dual sol boost control

oh yeah You've listed 3 of my mods exactly

Whats he doing with the car? if track work

ugly as f**k jap 17x7.5-9 wheels all round (the uglier the cheaper)

235 45 17 RE55 SP2's

whiteline adjustable swaybars

That'll come to 2300 give or take, mainly dependent on how ugly/rubbish offset/damaged the rims are

say hello to 5 seconds off your pb at wakefield (easily).

if you want 2k of power in an r33 with rubbish stock ecu:

second hand blitz ebc

china front mount kit

safc

tune

chuck in some sway bars for good measure. I can't help but look towards handling mods

Stock clutch is good for 200rwkw (just) if you are nice to it. be nice until you have another 700 or so for a clutch

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

BHDave ... agreed

[R31Nismoid]

Also think forward, if he wants to chase a bit more power later, dont skimp on some stuff now.

I mean if 200rwkw is all you want, no worries... but later if you decided to go further some things like the FMIC or turbo (if changed) might not be upto the task and resale poor etc

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

aah... tis true... really need an all up future power figure...

[VB-]

dont bother with SAFC.

PFC

cheapie front mount kit

fuel pump (maybe)

[NYTSKY]

*cough* (Power FC PM me)*cough*

[Eliack]

actually safc only cost $150 to tune ..... thats what i was charged

[No Crust Racing]

I should've been more specific about the car.

It has splitfire coilpacks already.

It has height adjustable Bilstien shocks with whiteline adjustable camber kits - I know coz I installed them when I had the car Already has dished 18's with 265's out back and 235's up front.

I sold the car with an Exedy heavy duty clutch, but I don't think it was installed or passed on to this owner so clutch could be an issue.

So you guys are not recommending a cheapy highflow? I'd of thought he'd make more power with a highflow and safc than the stock turbo and a powerFC, plus the stocker isn't gonna push more than 12-13 for very long, it's the original turbo on a car that's done close to 90k's mind you it's never been boosted beyond 7 while I had it or my mate after me and from what I know the current owner, another mate, hasn't boosted it either.

I was under the impression getting a PFC tuned was in the range of 1k, especially where we are - Albury/Wodonga region - though travel to Melb is not out of the question. That'd eat up the 2k pretty damn quick.

Plus I'm not sure if he plans to go further beyond this round of mods. Keep the ideas coming guys and I'll dig up some more info.

Cheers

[colossus]

^^^ Yep dont know why people keep quoting so high for SAFC's....

You can pick em up occasionally on this forum for about $200 second hand or ebay brand new NEOs are $300 delivered. Factor in roughly $150 for the tune and your done.

[Swiper the Fox]

I should've been more specific about the car.

It has splitfire coilpacks already.

It has height adjustable Bilstien shocks with whiteline adjustable camber kits - I know coz I installed them when I had the car Already has dished 18's with 265's out back and 235's up front.

I sold the car with an Exedy heavy duty clutch, but I don't think it was installed or passed on to this owner so clutch could be an issue.

So you guys are not recommending a cheapy highflow? I'd of thought he'd make more power with a highflow and safc than the stock turbo and a powerFC, plus the stocker isn't gonna push more than 12-13 for very long, it's the original turbo on a car that's done close to 90k's mind you it's never been boosted beyond 7 while I had it or my mate after me and from what I know the current owner, another mate, hasn't boosted it either.

I was under the impression getting a PFC tuned was in the range of 1k, especially where we are - Albury/Wodonga region - though travel to Melb is not out of the question. That'd eat up the 2k pretty damn quick.

Plus I'm not sure if he plans to go further beyond this round of mods. Keep the ideas coming guys and I'll dig up some more info.

Cheers

Ive quite sucessfully ran the base map on the power fc with some mixture correction (use injector tables). They run quite a good STD map its just a little rich. Did this on our STD turbo dyno winning GTR at SAU dyno day and made 287KW at the tyres with minimal knock. To prove a point i initialised the power fc and with six adjustments (each injector) made the same power. So no need to go for a full tune on a street car if you know what your doing.

Edited April 28, 2008 by DiRTgarage

[No Crust Racing]

Neither I nor the current owner would be competent playing with a poweFC or SAFC for that matter, for safety he'll definitely pay to have it tuned. Is it really that cheap to get an SAFC tuned?

[R31Nismoid]

Ive quite sucessfully ran the base map on the power fc with some mixture correction (use injector tables). They run quite a good STD map its just a little rich. Did this on our STD turbo dyno winning GTR at SAU dyno day and made 287KW at the tyres with minimal knock. To prove a point i initialised the power fc and with six adjustments (each injector) made the same power. So no need to go for a full tune on a street car if you know what your doing.

I think thats quite risky...

[Swiper the Fox]

I think thats quite risky...

You would...timing figures are quite conservative and fueling is excessive on the base map. Leaning off each injector is quite a safe method and we have double checked this method on a dyno with AFR meter and found it to be just fine.

a lot better than running a stock ecu and with boost levels up to 1 bar will be quite OK.

but...not a thing to tinker with if you are not confident on what you are doing.

this method is no more risky than running a STD ECU in your car using Aust. fuel

Edited April 29, 2008 by DiRTgarage