New Plug-in Ecu Coming

[Swiper the Fox]

Just picked up mine today, so far so good, overall it seems smoother than before, and is making more power

What were you running previously? Did Glen set it up on MAP or AFM?

[CeJay]

Stoopid me didn't ask but must be running on a MAP sensor now, as my Z32 AFM is unplugged, didn't ask as I was in a rush to pick up the car on Saturday arvo, (thanks to Glen again for the extra work he did to get the car running by Saturday) There is a sensor going into the IM piping,

Was just using a remapped r32 ecu before, only changes I had done apart from the vipec was thermo fans.

Most it'd done on ESP's dyno before was 191kw due to leaning issues, most it had done on any dyno before was 217 odd kw. So Happy with the 236kw it is doing now. Still has some issues I need sorted. But after driving it around today, am very happy with the response of the car, compared to before.

Will be going back some time in the new year to get some extra stuff enabled, and some other mods done.

[Swiper the Fox]

Stoopid me didn't ask but must be running on a MAP sensor now, as my Z32 AFM is unplugged, didn't ask as I was in a rush to pick up the car on Saturday arvo, (thanks to Glen again for the extra work he did to get the car running by Saturday) There is a sensor going into the IM piping,

Was just using a remapped r32 ecu before, only changes I had done apart from the vipec was thermo fans.

Most it'd done on ESP's dyno before was 191kw due to leaning issues, most it had done on any dyno before was 217 odd kw. So Happy with the 236kw it is doing now. Still has some issues I need sorted. But after driving it around today, am very happy with the response of the car, compared to before.

Will be going back some time in the new year to get some extra stuff enabled, and some other mods done.

the idle control is good hey...how it returns to idle after high rpm is impressive...no hunting. No more stalling at traffic lights like the old Power FC...i had to keep feathering the throttle after the burnout when racing to keep mine from stalling (which caused be some dramas hey 2rismo). The new Vi-PEC V88 ive installed will remove this altogether...only time will tell...mine will be tuned soon.

Edited November 30, 2008 by DiRTgarage

[BoostedBarge]

Yesterday I fitted a 5" ballistic racing cat and got the car dyno tuned again by Mark at Godzilla. This is the first tune since I fixed the inlet manifold gasket a couple of weeks back. Here's the dyno sheet. I've picked up about 14HP with a max of 263.8HP (196kw) at 13psi. The car is tuned fairly conservatively for reliability, since it's my wife's daily. I'm very happy with it now. It seems to have a fair bit more mid-range (It looks like I've gained close to 20HP at 4000rpm) and is a bit more responsive. Of course, it still idles like stock

[Guilt-Toy]

Yesterday I fitted a 5" ballistic racing cat and got the car dyno tuned again by Mark at Godzilla. This is the first tune since I fixed the inlet manifold gasket a couple of weeks back. Here's the dyno sheet. I've picked up about 14HP with a max of 263.8HP (196kw) at 13psi. The car is tuned fairly conservatively for reliability, since it's my wife's daily. I'm very happy with it now. It seems to have a fair bit more mid-range (It looks like I've gained close to 20HP at 4000rpm) and is a bit more responsive. Of course, it still idles like stock

drive like stock as well?

[2rismo]

the idle control is good hey...how it returns to idle after high rpm is impressive...no hunting. No more stalling at traffic lights like the old Power FC...i had to keep feathering the throttle after the burnout when racing to keep mine from stalling (which caused be some dramas hey 2rismo). The new Vi-PEC V88 ive installed will remove this altogether...only time will tell...mine will be tuned soon.

My AFM'd PFC was a farkin dog at returning to idle at the track after a big rev in the burnout. The autronic I'm using now is awesome and I would imagine the ViPec to be ed zackery the same. That said, it took more messing with settings to get it to that state. It was a turd before we messed with it.

[BoostedBarge]

drive like stock as well?

Low revs, traffic driving and cruising are like stock. I doubt my wife could tell the difference if I didn't tell her. Once you get above 4000rpm it's shit loads quicker of course

I'm running MAP sensor, too. The MAFs are just there for looks now haha

[shanef]

vipec mite want to edit this bit of text so not to allude ot any other manufacturer

http://www.vi-pec.com/page_files/IgnitionParts.htm

GM LS1 Coil

This coil has an internal igniter and is ideal for use with the SM4 model ECU. Produces a spark powerful enough for turbocharged engines running up to 1.5 bar boost

[shanef]

also, which of the m&w cdi units have they re-badged as their own cdi?

to me this seems like a bit of a f**ken joke. it'd be half alrite if vipec actually gave reognition to where they got 'their' ideas from. its about time all the underlying mis-mathces gets cleared up from someone high up in vipec, caus as it stands this is crap

the only ecu i will actually use and recommend at the present time is the haltech or motec, as the autronic and vipec stuff is very mis-leading

[TiTAN]

i cant say i have had a single issue with my vipec or the support for it.

[SirRacer]

so the question has come up, are they the same. I just downloaded both software from both sites and they are identical.

We were told software was different.

Also checked the price tag, seems as if the vipec is around $400 more expensive. What would be the reason for this if they are the same? they are looking like the same product so far.

what i can make of it, seems as if the links use a adaptor harness for the plug ins where the vipec has the nissan plug on the board itself.

Is that what we are paying the extra $400 ? a true plug equiv of the link? that was developed by TFelectronics?

I happen to know one of the Link Developers through the tuning of my car. He confirmed that they have been working on those ECU's for quite some time and that the Vi-pec is basically a rebadged Link. Considering the R&D Link constantly do and the features of their previous model ecu (the g3 which i run in my car) i find it incredibly hard to believe that the Link is a rebraded Vipec. In fact i find it bloody funny.

Guilt Toy. Those adaptor boards i think were for my G3 Ecu primarily. They can also be used for r33gtst, gtr's, r32 gtst all by changing a resistor on the board. I can post a picture of my one if you want to confirm it with yours when it arrives.

Link's support isnt as flash as Ray Hall's by all accounts. Whether its worth an extra $400 ill leave up to the individual, however id rather get the support direct from those who designed the ECU.

Let the flaming begin.....

Edited December 27, 2008 by SirRacer

[shanef]

i cant say i have had a single issue with my vipec or the support for it.

no doubt about the quality of the produts as its already been in use by other 'companies'

[Swiper the Fox]

also, which of the m&w cdi units have they re-badged as their own cdi?

to me this seems like a bit of a f**ken joke. it'd be half alrite if vipec actually gave reognition to where they got 'their' ideas from. its about time all the underlying mis-mathces gets cleared up from someone high up in vipec, caus as it stands this is crap

the only ecu i will actually use and recommend at the present time is the haltech or motec, as the autronic and vipec stuff is very mis-leading

do HKS mention Bosch when they advertise/sell their uprated fuel pumps? Do Nismo mention Clevite when they advertise/sell engine bearings? Do SARD mention Denso when they advertise injectors?

shall i go on?

this is the world we live in and the way a global economy works. Companies outsource manufacturing all the time...its no conspiracy.

Go to Haltech or MoTeC...no big deal...as i stated on the 3rd page of this thread "this product is not for everyone"

Edited December 27, 2008 by DiRTgarage

[shanef]

do HKS mention Bosch when they advertise/sell their uprated fuel pumps? Do Nismo mention Clevite when they advertise/sell engine bearings? Do SARD mention Denso when they advertise injectors?

shall i go on?

this is the world we live in and the way a global economy works. Companies outsource manufacturing all the time...its no conspiracy.

Go to Haltech or MoTeC...no big deal...as i stated on the 3rd page of this thread "this product is not for everyone"

difference being that the 'info' has been not very forthcoming about the vipec stuff and its been more avoided when ppl in this thread have queried where its origins are

i'd be more than happy to use a new product that actually differs from others already out there, but not 1 that just re-badges the quality stuff and tries to sell it off as being its own

its like that new big gt47 u've got paul

[Swiper the Fox]

difference being that the 'info' has been not very forthcoming about the vipec stuff and its been more avoided when ppl in this thread have queried where its origins are

i'd be more than happy to use a new product that actually differs from others already out there, but not 1 that just re-badges the quality stuff and tries to sell it off as being its own

its like that new big gt47 u've got paul

i suggest you go back and read post #398

Are you aware that the Vi-pec was actually released prior to the new generation Link ECU? If the Vi-pec product was, as you put it a "re-badge" without any involvement or development input, do you think that Link would be foolish enough to allow this to occur? I think not.

What product are you looking at for your car? If its a Skyline PnP, Link don't sell them as they are a TF Electronics product and only available through Vi-PEC. Again not some re-badge.

any additional questions can be forwarded to Ray through the following link (no pun intended) http://www.vi-pec.com/page_files/contact.htm

Edited December 27, 2008 by DiRTgarage

[MBS206]

Dirt Garage: There's a VERY large difference between a company outsourcing something and getting it built to their standard, and a company going "Oh, I like the look of that product, lets buy it at an agreed price, rebadge it, and sell it for our price and claim it's ours"

As to your question would Link allow it. Well hell yes, why wouldn't they? They send out this new "u-beaut" product, to another company, that HAS to offer support, and allows THEM to find all the bugs, and make them look like f**king fools for releasing "problematic" hardware.

When you can cut say $50 of profit off each from selling it to Vi-Pec VS wholesaling, but you save $100 by doing so from not having to offer the service and help for it, you end up making $50 more profit... And when you're releasing a new design, this is a VERY big thing...

In all, I'll be sticking to the Adaptronic ECU, whilst it may not offer the capability of an AFM, I know the guy who owns it, and if I want, I can walk through his workshop, whilst his boys are developing the new ECU.

Only thing that gets out sourced is the bulk building of the boards, so their team can develop, and also run the service and help desk (Which, may I add, is top notch!)

Oh, did I also mention, it's cheaper then the Vi-Pec, offers more features then the Vi-Pec, and is plug and play with the R33 (And R32 from memory) Skyline?

Also, if it is a Link, like you're now basically saying it is, then your thread title is very mis leading, as it still isn't "Aussie Made" in the end, the profit goes back to New Zealand.

PS: I believe Link do sell a plug in ECU for the Skyline that doesn't require any wire cutting... http://www.linkecu.com/products/engine-man...san-plugin-ecus

Oh, you also claimed this ECU was twice as fast as an Autronic I believe it was... Can you give us processing speeds of both to prove this of the processor alone, then, can you give me the code from both the Autronic, and the Link/Vi_Pec so we can see which code is more efficient? Big claim to be able to say it is twice as fast... Especially when you only claim it's twice as fast because it's a 32 bit processor... Means diddly squat...

Edited December 27, 2008 by MBS206

[FineLine]

i suggest you go back and read post #398

Are you aware that the Vi-pec was actually released prior to the new generation Link ECU? If the Vi-pec product was, as you put it a "re-badge" without any involvement or development input, do you think that Link would be foolish enough to allow this to occur? I think not.

Think again. Link like most companys would prefer to sell 100 units to a wholesale customer than 100 units to 100 different customers. That isnt foolish, Thats just good business.

If, as has been suggested, the vipec is a rebadge link wont give a rodents ring who has the unit in the market first. Either way its their product being sold.

[megrac]

the only ecu i will actually use and recommend at the present time is the haltech or motec, as the autronic and vipec stuff is very mis-leading

There's nothing missleading about the Autronic product its as it was just without Ray hall selling it to his deallers.

Are you aware that the Vi-pec was actually released prior to the new generation Link ECU? If the Vi-pec product was, as you put it a "re-badge" without any involvement or development input, do you think that Link would be foolish enough to allow this to occur? I think not.

The vipec is a rebadged link g4 but thats not to say it didn't have input from Ray. I have seen many nissan g4 plugins come streight from link.

Edited December 27, 2008 by megrac

[Swiper the Fox]

At the end of the day who gives a flying f**k who designed it, where it was built, who's marketing it etc...

The ECU is a top notch product. Do you think id risk my $30000 race engine using something that wasn't high quality?

The information posted on here was correct as far as it has been given to me...yes i have also asked the tough questions of Ray and recieved responses to them.

Like i said in an earlier post if you want the real story, ask Ray...dont theorise what you think may be happening or may have occured.

[discopotato03]

Some interesting snippets getting around here .

What do we all think about splitting threads and having one for the Vipec and another for the latest Link management systems , I'm always interested to hear peoples opinions and experiences with aftermarket engine mamagement systems .

Also some info about developing things from Adaptronic would be interesting as well .

Cheers A .