New Plug-in Ecu Coming

[JAGR33]

How many chip upgrades and firmware upgrades has the Power FC (your beloved) gone through. Whats wrong with keeping a product up to the minute? And constantly adding great features such as closed loop boost control, 4MB of data logging etc... These ECU's can be tuned in minutes...not hours...they are rediculously simple and dont come with a Jap based mega rich base map and in the gts-t's map a timing timebomb. The dealers have a full record of tunes and will pre-load a base map tune to suit your turbo's airflow and your injector size...how good is that...awesome hey. I suggest you go and have a read of former FC lover Guilt-Toy's tuning thread for a bit more actual feedback.

its a bit hard for tow-truck driver's mentality i know Jack.. ..one day ill sit you down for a few hours and explain it to you word by word.

Hope your 3 layer suit kept you cool

Ouch, only went for the double layer...

Your right, I have no idea about closed hoops, data bogging and all the other super dooper features. All I know is that my beloved PowerFC has done me proud for the past 6 years and never had a problem. I even know how to install and remove it!!!

Can you plug the Vipec in and off you go?? Or do you have to install other stuff??

You shouldn't bag my mentality, remember, it's nice to be nice....

*Puts on quad layer*

[Swiper the Fox]

Ouch, only went for the double layer...

Your right, I have no idea about closed hoops, data bogging and all the other super dooper features. All I know is that my beloved PowerFC has done me proud for the past 6 years and never had a problem. I even know how to install and remove it!!!

Can you plug the Vipec in and off you go?? Or do you have to install other stuff??

You shouldn't bag my mentality, remember, it's nice to be nice....

*Puts on quad layer*

it is nice to be nice...i know you know im kidding and i also know your broad shouldered and thick skinned enough to take it.

Vi-PEC is a straight plug-in...you have to fit it into a STD ecu case though..or arrange for your dealer to retro fit it before sending it to you. It runs all the factory sensors etc on a GTR...for GTS-t you have to fit the Air temp sensor which is supplied. So yes plug it in and turn key.

The 10mm ratchet spanner you use to instal your Power FC can also be used to remove it and fit your new Vi-PEC

Edited January 31, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[J3TR33]

How about we have a written statement signed by both Link and Ray to clear up the confusion about Vipec/Link ecus, i'm sure that wont be so hard to organise. Since the statements that have been written on this thread are only by Ray through Dirt*, id like to hear Link have a say in this.

And it would be good for them to tell us the differences, if any between the two ecus.

Oh and another thing, why is there only one dealer for the Vipec ecu in most states? They would have to let more workshops sell these ecus.

just pisses me off how the story has kept on changing since the start of this thread about the Vipec ecu, we want straight answers once and for all.

We all agree that the Vipec/Link ecu are a great unit, but the information passed onto potential customers hasnt been great..

[JAGR33]

it is nice to be nice...i know you know im kidding and i also know your broad shouldered and thick skinned enough to take it.

Vi-PEC is a straight plug-in...you have to fit it into a STD ecu case though..or arrange for your dealer to retro fit it before sending it to you. It runs all the factory sensors etc on a GTR...for GTS-t you have to fit the Air temp sensor which is supplied. So yes plug it in and turn key.

The 10mm ratchet spanner you use to instal your Power FC can also be used to remove it and fit your new Vi-PEC

So it runs with the air flow meters??

[JAGR33]

So it runs with the air flow meters??

So I guess I'm being ignored now..

Just read Guilt toy's thread, wow my head hurts.

Seems like there's a lot of dicking around to get it to work.

At that price I say its an awesome replacement for an Autronic, and if you have heaps of time on your hands and need the all the addons...

Can't see how its more superior to the powerfc besides the addon features.

Powerfc is much easier and quicker....

*suit's back on*

[Swiper the Fox]

So I guess I'm being ignored now..

Just read Guilt toy's thread, wow my head hurts.

Seems like there's a lot of dicking around to get it to work.

At that price I say its an awesome replacement for an Autronic, and if you have heaps of time on your hands and need the all the addons...

Can't see how its more superior to the powerfc besides the addon features.

Powerfc is much easier and quicker....

*suit's back on*

Ring Mark Jacobsen Jack...maybe he can convince you. He was just like you guys (mostly racepace customers) who doubted this ecu could run a street skyline better than a Power FC. Mark can instal and tune a Vi-PEC much quicker than a Power FC and have a much nicer running car with better smoother power....and no missfire.

you Power FC fools dont get it...really you dont.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS HAD BOTH ECU'S RAVES ABOUT HOW MUCH BETTER THE VI-PEC RUNS THE CAR. THAT IS HOW ITS SUPERIOR.

shall i dig up some more Power FC missfire threads for you?...ok here's another.

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/81751-power-fc-...nt-misfire.html

do you still not get it??

BTW no one's ignoring you...i go to bed...sleep...then wake up late on Sunday mornings.

Edited January 31, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[JAGR33]

Ring Mark Jacobsen

What for??

Does he need a tow???

I never said the vipec couldn't run a street car better than a powerfc.

I'm asking how does the car run better with the vipec???

In what way???

And my questions still haven't been answered...

[Swiper the Fox]

im out

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=V9iwZzrIaNw

note the Power FC style misfire at 39 seconds

speaking of 39 seconds...thats about how long Guilt-Toy took to retune his Vi-PEC when changing from BP98 to E85...try that with your Power FC

Edited January 31, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[JAGR33]

im out

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=V9iwZzrIaNw

WOW, maybe Guilt toy can take over????

[The Dan]

What for??

Does he need a tow???

I never said the vipec couldn't run a street car better than a powerfc.

I'm asking how does the car run better with the vipec???

In what way???

And my questions still haven't been answered...

ROFL.

If the Vipec is anything like the Autronic it will be able to do AFM and MAP at the same time or either one seperately.

[CeJay]

mines running a map sensor

[JAGR33]

im out

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=V9iwZzrIaNw

note the Power FC style misfire at 39 seconds

speaking of 39 seconds...thats about how long Guilt-Toy took to retune his Vi-PEC when changing from BP98 to E85...try that with your Power FC

mmm, never came across this misfire problem down here in Melb, must be the air....

still waiting for answers to my question...

[STATUS]

the Link dealer just quoted me $2200 plus freight for a G4 Storm...that couldn't be right. When i asked if it was the G4 Storm or the G4 Extreme they were quoting on they said they didn't know. When i then enquired on a price for the adapta-link box to make the G4 into a plug-in they said they would have to call Link. If the price they gave me was for a G4 extreme then its the same money as the top of the line Vi-PEC V88.

Dont get me wrong here both the Vi-PEC and Link are excellent products.

But its no wonder Ray's ECU's are selling like hotcakes...the dealer support was woeful.

haha dont be too harsh on the LINK as the vipec support in melb is ZERO, up in qld i think you guys get a bit spoiled, Rays backup is second to none and many other ecu companies should take note..

Here are the products and the equivs.

G4 plug in for R33 GTST, GTR, EVO, S14 etc is $1260 +gst (this is the equiv of the plug in vipecs i have bought.)

G4 extreme (wire in) $1890+gst (i believe this is LINKS equiv to V88)

G4 Storm (wire in) $1290+gst (i havent used one yet)

[SirRacer]

The Vipec really isnt a straight plug in as to optimise the tune you need to run the intake air temp sensor which takes a bit of fiddling to setup. Most people than arent technically minded will have issues making the bracket and then welding it into the intercooler pipe.s The sensor that screws in isnt nearly as accurate (hot wire is heaps better)

Just to clear a few things up. Its not as easy as a Power FC to plug in and run, but even without this the car will start fine, you just wouldnt want to drive it very far without one (or an Air/Fuel sensor in the exhaust)

I dont think Link are likely to comment on this either. It would basically create a big stir with one side undermining the others products.

Edited February 1, 2009 by SirRacer

[Scooby]

I'm the last person to 'follow a trend' but $1386 rrp for the G4 Link plug in vs $1650 for the Vipec = only $264 in favour of the G4, and Link told me that the G4 doesn't come with an IAT sensor so the difference is even less. On the odd time I've called Ray to get clarification on something he's been more than helpful, when I called Link they didn't seem very enthusiatic and could name only a couple of dealers in Sydney and none locally (Canberra).

That said, when I've scoped Vipec dealers in anticipation of getting someone to install, most of them weren't aware of some really fundamental stuff that was in the manual, which did nothing to reassure me. For example, one was going to charge me for a mac valve when the GTR solenoid is fine for controlling boost. The only one within reasonable travel time that did appear to know it well wanted $3000 drive in-drive out. No thanks.

While the 'whose ecu is it really' question is interesting, surely the main game is finding out which provides overall best bang for the buck. At this stage it seems to be the Vipec due to its popularity, and I don't see any threads on SAU extolling the virtues of the Link. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edited February 1, 2009 by Scooby

[CeJay]

You tried esp in canberra?

[The Dan]

still waiting for answers to my question...

I think Paul said something about the missfire. It's a very well known issue.

Also, the ability to run MAFless is an advantage as you will make more power. And before the MAF fanboys decide to get all argumentative, we've done back to back testing for years and the MAP sensored system always comes out on top for response and overall power.

The Vipec and PowerFC are not even in the same league so it's technically impossible to compare the two. One is designed to be a basic tuning tool with moderate features and ease of tunability, the other is an advanced tuning tool with advanced features, faster processing and more accessories inc easier tunability. The powerFC might do everything you want it to do and it may run your car exactly how you want. If it does then leave it there, you don't need the Vipec. If you are somehow trying to get someone to convince you to buy one, you won't get it.

Some people need the advanced features and accessories, other don't.

[Scooby]

You tried esp in canberra?

Hi Chris, yes I did. The issue was that there was no knowledge of something that the manual stressed was absolutely imperative. Maybe the manual was overstating the case, maybe they were not supported as well as they should have been but that's not for me to say; I have to assume the manual is the point of truth. IMHO it wouldn't have been a dangerous ommission but I expect a dealer to know the thing 100%.

Edited February 1, 2009 by Scooby

[JAGR33]

I think Paul said something about the missfire. It's a very well known issue.

Also, the ability to run MAFless is an advantage as you will make more power. And before the MAF fanboys decide to get all argumentative, we've done back to back testing for years and the MAP sensored system always comes out on top for response and overall power.

The Vipec and PowerFC are not even in the same league so it's technically impossible to compare the two. One is designed to be a basic tuning tool with moderate features and ease of tunability, the other is an advanced tuning tool with advanced features, faster processing and more accessories inc easier tunability. The powerFC might do everything you want it to do and it may run your car exactly how you want. If it does then leave it there, you don't need the Vipec. If you are somehow trying to get someone to convince you to buy one, you won't get it.

Some people need the advanced features and accessories, other don't.

At last!!! Someone coming out with some constructive comments instead of a marketing ploy to bag out the powerfc and brag about how much better the vipec is.

Thanks Daniel for clearing that up...

Just to set the record straight I did not claim anywhere in my posts that the vipec is crap, in fact its very similar to the Autronic and at a much cheaper price, so if it's all the extra features you need then you would be stupid not to buy it. I just can't understand how people can bag the powerfc and claim that it doesn't run as good or as smooth as the vipec.

Obviously the vipec is not so much a plug'n'play ecu as the powerfc is, which is what I was referring to but no one wanted to admit it...

Anyway Daniel said it best, the powerfc does everything i want it to so why would i change it???

[KiwiRS4T]

I'm the last person to 'follow a trend' but $1386 rrp for the G4 Link plug in vs $1650 for the Vipec = only $264 in favour of the G4, and Link told me that the G4 doesn't come with an IAT sensor so the difference is even less. On the odd time I've called Ray to get clarification on something he's been more than helpful, when I called Link they didn't seem very enthusiatic and could name only a couple of dealers in Sydney and none locally (Canberra).

That said, when I've scoped Vipec dealers in anticipation of getting someone to install, most of them weren't aware of some really fundamental stuff that was in the manual, which did nothing to reassure me. For example, one was going to charge me for a mac valve when the GTR solenoid is fine for controlling boost. The only one within reasonable travel time that did appear to know it well wanted $3000 drive in-drive out. No thanks.

While the 'whose ecu is it really' question is interesting, surely the main game is finding out which provides overall best bang for the buck. At this stage it seems to be the Vipec due to its popularity, and I don't see any threads on SAU extolling the virtues of the Link. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong. The Link ecu is marketed as Vipec in Au presumably because Australians don't believe anything good can come out of NZ except the odd league player or racehorse. So the real question isn't which is better but how good is your local support...buy either from someone who knows his stuff.