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SKiT_R31 Experienced

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120rwkw out of an R34 NA, mate i would probably save your pennies.

Im making 160rwkw in my turbo model, and thats not enough to keep me smiling

lol, that because its f**k all! esp in a heavy skyline

i got a non turbo and i see no point in working them unless for track work. whats the use when u can buy a turbo for nearly the same price. i few of my mates have 33's and with front mount, 12psi n a 3 inch exhaust they all made between 205-212rwkw so why bother spending thousands on less then 150rwkw

Once again, im not saying you cant make more power, just that they can actually make power. For example, some people are content with the stock turbo power, same as they are with the power of other stock cars, i.e. middle aged man and his ls1. So if people can be happy with there 140kw stock engine, why cant others modify there engine to be the same? Not everyone wants back breaking power, and if you cant have decent power due to laws (such as p plater) then why not??

At the end of the day, working an na to 150kw, is the same as working a turbo to 200kw, why bother? You could just buy a new engine? or leave them standad?

in the scheme of things, whats a couple grand? You could spend that on a turbo alone!

im not saying n/a is beter im just saying its all relative, some people want 100kw in a 4pot, some want 500hp in an old n/a carbied 8. Each to there own.

as i have said before, i would much rather 200rwkw n/a than 200rwkw turbo (with the same motor) as far as fun factor is concerned, but would prefer turbo (with same engine + same power) as a daily, as its generally more drivable - since n/a needs compression, cams, timing translating to good fuel and revs, which isnt so good for a daily.

That said, owning both (a worked turbo and n/a) the n/a is so much more reliable and predictable. The turbo just scares me every time it pisses or farts, as im shitting its going to spit a piston from a random spike/lean out, whereas the n/a just powers on not caring what the f**k is going on.

thats my personal opinion, n/a's are fun, and im not into big power, my cars are generally light and have plenty of power for me, so a small increase is a good increase, when you start making big power you start hitting big money and/or constant problems, plus we are talking about street cars, and you have to get it to the ground.

and dont think im an n/a fan boy, whenever somone comes to me asking for more power (decent increase) my response is almost allways just boost it, its just so easy, and even a couple psi will shit on anything you can do without opening up the engine, and help economy.

as for nos, lol fark yeah, but its not really n/a

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lol, that because its f**k all! esp in a heavy skyline

Once again, im not saying you cant make more power, just that they can actually make power. For example, some people are content with the stock turbo power, same as they are with the power of other stock cars, i.e. middle aged man and his ls1. So if people can be happy with there 140kw stock engine, why cant others modify there engine to be the same? Not everyone wants back breaking power, and if you cant have decent power due to laws (such as p plater) then why not??

At the end of the day, working an na to 150kw, is the same as working a turbo to 200kw, why bother? You could just buy a new engine? or leave them standad?

in the scheme of things, whats a couple grand? You could spend that on a turbo alone!

im not saying n/a is beter im just saying its all relative, some people want 100kw in a 4pot, some want 500hp in an old n/a carbied 8. Each to there own.

as i have said before, i would much rather 200rwkw n/a than 200rwkw turbo (with the same motor) as far as fun factor is concerned, but would prefer turbo (with same engine + same power) as a daily, as its generally more drivable - since n/a needs compression, cams, timing translating to good fuel and revs, which isnt so good for a daily.

That said, owning both (a worked turbo and n/a) the n/a is so much more reliable and predictable. The turbo just scares me every time it pisses or farts, as im shitting its going to spit a piston from a random spike/lean out, whereas the n/a just powers on not caring what the f**k is going on.

thats my personal opinion, n/a's are fun, and im not into big power, my cars are generally light and have plenty of power for me, so a small increase is a good increase, when you start making big power you start hitting big money and/or constant problems, plus we are talking about street cars, and you have to get it to the ground.

and dont think im an n/a fan boy, whenever somone comes to me asking for more power (decent increase) my response is almost allways just boost it, its just so easy, and even a couple psi will shit on anything you can do without opening up the engine, and help economy.

as for nos, lol fark yeah, but its not really n/a

Wake up and smell the grass.

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SHANE666

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im planning to go with he follwing performance mods with my n/a...nothing further...

adj exhaust cam - gear, greddy e-manage, extractors, hi-flow cat, custom exhaust, cold air intake, and maybe bigger throttle body.

the res tis upto my bro when he gets his licesne :wave:

SKiT_R31 Experienced

SKiT_R31

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im pulling out 120rwkw now with just 2.5" catback, walbro fuel pump & CAI..

so with extractors & emanage & stage 1 hks cams im hoping for 130-135 if im lucky lol

bump up the compression when you change the cam, and give it a bigger tb/twin tb's or ff plenum (short runers will help top end) and you'll be looking at some sexy power, i love compresion.

Wake up and smell the grass.

wtf is that supposed to mean? too many people pass judgement without getting in a high powered n/a. Alot of my mates have shitloads of power in high $$ boosted setups, and they ALL love my car/the engine, most refusing to let me boost it when the thaught crosses my mind. Just raw power and insane response, short geared and quick revving. dont knock it till you've tried it :wave:

example, stomp my turbo at 4k in second (no broad minded femalech drop) slight lag then accelleration, stomp it in the n/a = wheelspin sideways. The n/a has better tyres/wheels also, thats the shit i love about it, instant power.

342Four Grand Master

342Four

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don't expect a very large rwkW increase then

maybe 15kW maximum (but prolly not even that much)

hmm...

yeah guess so...

ill see how it goes...

rest assured that the highest rear wheel figure wont rise by much, but ur midrange will have a LOT more poke in it - if you had a dyno graph of before and after the graph will be a lot fatter in the middle on the after

dont forget its not always about the high point, its whats UNDER the graph that counts

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Now heres where your wrong. There is no reason why an n/a cant produce more power than a factory turbo

And there's where you're wrong.

Read my first post again.

"If the displacement is equal, you will never get a NA car to match a FI car once you start modifying both."

I've added part of it in bold since you're too blind to work it out yourself. Try and actually read what I'm saying before going off half cocked. It'll make you look like less of one.

And I know that NA can make more power than FI. A stock S2000 makes more power than a stock S15, even with the same displacement. Once you wind the wick up on both, as I once again said in that first post you'll either get outstripped in cost/gains against FI and you'll have a car nowhere near as drivable, which means anywhere aside from a dyno or the Internet you're still going to lose.

Granthem Mentor

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lol, that because its f**k all! esp in a heavy skyline

Haha I wasnt claiming it as a big power figure. But its just putting things into perspective.

120rwkw might get an R34 doing high 14s? probably more likely low 15s

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SKiT_R31 Experienced

SKiT_R31

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And there's where you're wrong.

Read my first post again.

"If the displacement is equal, you will never get a NA car to match a FI car once you start modifying both."

I've added part of it in bold since you're too blind to work it out yourself. Try and actually read what I'm saying before going off half cocked. It'll make you look like less of one.

And I know that NA can make more power than FI. A stock S2000 makes more power than a stock S15, even with the same displacement. Once you wind the wick up on both, as I once again said in that first post you'll either get outstripped in cost/gains against FI and you'll have a car nowhere near as drivable, which means anywhere aside from a dyno or the Internet you're still going to lose.

i dont think you've read and understood what ive been saying, ive said all along that you'll allways get more power out of a FI car after you start modding it etc, all i was saying is that you can get an n/a to make more power than a sotck or lightly modded turbo and that with equel power, n/a's are more fun but less drivable.

anyway, who cares, lol the n/a vs FI argument gets old

SKiT_R31 Experienced

SKiT_R31

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Haha I wasnt claiming it as a big power figure. But its just putting things into perspective.

120rwkw might get an R34 doing high 14s? probably more likely low 15s

i'd be banking on low 15's

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