Registration In Act + P Plates + R34 Gtt

[JewJitsu]

Hello!

Im currently on my P plates and by the end of the year i shall around 18k in cash and was thinking about throwing it all away on an 1998/99 r34 gtt with turbo and a few mods but a stock turbo is fine as i can add some mods later if i dont go broke or just some nice rims.

But i have never registered a car before and would like to know the process involved and if its possible for me.

* Is it allowed for a P plater to register a car with turbo ?

* I dont mind picking up or looking at a car around NSW/Vic region and maybe bringing it to ACT, would the registration be possible

* What mods does the ACT prohibit on import cars ?

* How much would 3rd party insurance (standard one) cost for 1 year for turbo car or if my dad registers it or if i register it (if its possible for me)

* How unwise is the decision of getting an expensive car while studing in uni collecting a fee of ~19k in debt while living with his parents while petrol prices are going up ? (i can answer this)

Thanks.

Edited May 18, 2008 by JewJitsu

[Baconer]

When did you get your P-plates?

-In ACT the p-plater cut off for V8 and turbo cars was june or july 2006.

-Transfer of rego is fine but depends on when you got you P-plates if it can be registered under your own name, either way if you drive it and get caught you get slapped with a fine

-Fairly lenient (much more then Vic)

-Depends on driving record, most major companies wont insure a p-plater with a turbo car and won't even list you as a driver on someone elses policy so you will have to go with Just Cars, Young and Cool etc. where there excess is triple the original policy.

-Wait till after Uni to have the car, unless you're one of those lucky bastards whose parents pay their way through uni , might be hard but the car will be a money pit, you will want newer and nicer things for it and you will spend more on the car then you originally planned. Petrol wise they aren't too bad and if you aren't hammering around on boost all day a turbo car is generally more fuel efficient then an N/A.

[Michele]

The Skyline lover in me wants to tell you to go ahead and do it... the Mum, investor, business person in me has to tell you what I have always said "if you want to get ahead, the best investment (in a car) is driving the cheapest car your ego will allow".

You mentioned you would have the 18k in cash, consider investing it and using it for an investment property down the track (while still staying at home) on an interest only loan (rent pays the interest) then by the time your ready for interest + principle your investment will be worth a hell of a lot more than your loan is.

If you're talking about taking out a loan for the car... I'd suggest waiting a little while longer, get something you can park at uni without living in fear every day of whether its safe or not. If you do get the car (any car) ask your insurer if they will give you fire, theft and 3rd party rather than just 3rd party.

I bought a property last year which is today worth 20% more (in less than 12 months), that equity alone could be used to finance a car plus the deposit on the next investment property (get my drift?).

But I'll support your decision either way, after all, I did say "what your ego would allow"

[CeJay]

The Skyline lover in me wants to tell you to go ahead and do it... the Mum, investor, business person in me has to tell you what I have always said "if you want to get ahead, the best investment (in a car) is driving the cheapest car your ego will allow".

You mentioned you would have the 18k in cash, consider investing it and using it for an investment property down the track (while still staying at home) on an interest only loan (rent pays the interest) then by the time your ready for interest + principle your investment will be worth a hell of a lot more than your loan is.

If you're talking about taking out a loan for the car... I'd suggest waiting a little while longer, get something you can park at uni without living in fear every day of whether its safe or not. If you do get the car (any car) ask your insurer if they will give you fire, theft and 3rd party rather than just 3rd party.

I bought a property last year which is today worth 20% more (in less than 12 months), that equity alone could be used to finance a car plus the deposit on the next investment property (get my drift?).

But I'll support your decision either way, after all, I did say "what your ego would allow"

I sought of agree with you. Or perhaps spend 8-10k on a r32 or a silvia etc type car, and start building up the rest as an investment. Finally building up investment money myself.

[sl33py]

Haha deciding whether or not to let out the full pessimist in me

I've got a rule with second hand cars, mostly because I seem to have bad luck:

Cost = purchase price + 10% on necessary repairs within 1 year (especially for a performance import, and regardless of whether you got a mechanic to inspect it, some things they can't find) + 10% on mods you can't resist. Insurance can be as cheap (and scary) as just compulsory, all the way up to 4000 or so/year if you have bad history+P's+young+import.

So the cost in the first year of a "18k car" might be closer to 22k... Plus petrol. I use $50/wk no matter how frugally I drive. Umm yeah And this is assuming your not picky/semi-OCD like me and try to fix every tiny thing with the car

Hindsight is a wonderful thing: always 20-20

I'll give you the advice I gave my brother: if you're young and aren't able to flush a lot of money each week, grab something really zippy like a Honda Integra (DC2 of course!), which is fun to throw about, and won't cost you anything like a Skyline will. Seems to have worked out well for bro so far

[JewJitsu]

Goddamn you serious ? Turbo and V8 was 2006 cutoff ? f**k i wasnt even 17 in 2006 July. So i guess ill have to go with an N/A car. I guess it will be nice since im after a neat and clean car im not there to rev the shit the out of it, i just want a nice ride that looks great and makes me feel proud that i own something i can look after and mod and play some nice trance in .

I know a few things about car internals, maintaining them and servicing them myself but i have no idea about the bureaucratic stuff and all the laws about registering and insurance. So how much for registration for 1 year, with an N/A skyline non comprehensive. My brother payed about 360$ to register a falcon for 6 months without any comprehensive.

And unfortunately im not the lucky bastard whose parents pay for his / her 2007 Mercedes and uni fees, i gotta work 32hours while studing full time and i pay my dad 50$ a week to live in his house since he is also renting so the decision of getting a skyline is still not too certain as if i keep 18k in the bank i can get ~100$ free interest per month from that.

Anyway thanks for the replies i guess i still got ~7 months to decide what to do but my love for skyline might increase as im sitting here without one, catching a bus that takes 1.5hours to get to and from work (including wait) considering i only live about 15mins drive lol.

Enough complaining from me

:)

[Baconer]

Definitely in your situation i would look at something small, cheap and N/A. Possibly a small hatchback, hatchbacks generally have better sound quality and bass then sedans anyway

If you buy a small hatch back it will be a lot easier to comp insure it as well and should be covered by the major companies (NRMA, AAMI etc.) and will be cheaper

Not to mention maintenance on a turbo car and other costs.

If you want a decent looking car for cheap and have a bit of knowledge in maintainence, look at getting a first gen celica ("im on your forums, stealing your members") Easily find a good condition car for around $4000 and they look pretty good for a 30 year old car(few images below)

ta22 http://koich.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/Celica.jpg

ta23 http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1424528665030486179JUiQwS

ra28 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Celica_ra28.jpg

Also, 1 year ACT rego is around $650, 3 months is $188.

[JewJitsu]

30 year old car!!! What about a 1000$ lancer . Or a 25gt r34 skyline N/A for 14-15k. (more reliable ? )

And the price of rego (650$) would include the compulsory 3rd party insurance ?

Also if i get a temporary car that still has rego on it for like 5 more months, am i allowed to drive it without needing to re register it because i see people selling their cars saying (STILL REGISTERED TILL 09 JANUARY ).

[Michele]

And the price of rego (650$) would include the compulsory 3rd party insurance ?

Also if i get a temporary car that still has rego on it for like 5 more months, am i allowed to drive it without needing to re register it because i see people selling their cars saying (STILL REGISTERED TILL 09 JANUARY ).

Just to clarify - Price of rego $650 includes Compulsary Third Party (CTP), but the CTP is for personal injury only (if you're in an accident which causes injury or death to another person in your car or the other car) - this insurance has nothing at all to do with property damage. You would still need 3rd party property cover from your insurance company (this cannot be done through rego).

You can transfer the existing rego into your name (using example above) until Jan 09, but you still have to pay transfer, stamp duty (2-3% of sale price) and pass inspections.

[Bullet32]

30 year old car!!! What about a 1000$ lancer . Or a 25gt r34 skyline N/A for 14-15k. (more reliable ? )

And the price of rego (650$) would include the compulsory 3rd party insurance ?

Also if i get a temporary car that still has rego on it for like 5 more months, am i allowed to drive it without needing to re register it because i see people selling their cars saying (STILL REGISTERED TILL 09 JANUARY ).

You will be dissapointed with an N/A GT25 R34, they are gutless... Youre better off waiting and getting a turbo when youre off your P's.

I recommend getting an AE86 Corrolla and going nuts on it - Awesome cars.

[JewJitsu]

You will be dissapointed with an N/A GT25 R34, they are gutless... Youre better off waiting and getting a turbo when youre off your P's.

I recommend getting an AE86 Corrolla and going nuts on it - Awesome cars.

Gutless? Is there other differences in the 25GT compared to GTT apart from turbo ? Like strengthened internals and tranny etc and shocks/springs ? Otherwise i can always get a GTT and take the turbo out and keep it in my boot because i noticed the price is basically the same, i wont get a turbo back exhaust etc.

But apart from that other differences in 25GT ? If so nice 19-20" rims and sound system and keep the car clean would be fine but power is always good to have even when not using it, just there and you know your car can go fast.

And can you link me to ACT site that says V8/turbo banned for P platers and what date etc because i can only find the NSW link. And i cant wait 3 more years! Bloody hoons and stupid drink drivers ruining things for me.

[Baconer]

Differences that aren't to do with a turbo engine (ecu, wiring, compression, intercooler etc.) are things like larger brakes and basic supporting mods to go with a more powerful car. You cant just remove the turbo and drive it. As always, if you want a turbo car it is cheaper to buy one turbo, same with N/A. If you want an N/A car, buy it already in that form rather then convert.

20"s will most likely rub and i dont know of any non-chrome 20" wheels so theres the added douche factor of that aswell

Think the kind of car you are after is a BMW sedan (325i) from what you have said. Around you price range ($15,000 max for a pre-98 model), a bit of go (V6 from memory), comfortable sedan with a classy (see also: Yuppie) look but at the same time this is the most common car to see in a Uni carpark with 20" chrome wheels and phat bass pumping hectically

Can't find the link but it was 2006, can guarantee it. You can get a v8/turbo with a reasonable excuse but its not worth the effort.

[JewJitsu]

Differences that aren't to do with a turbo engine (ecu, wiring, compression, intercooler etc.) are things like larger brakes and basic supporting mods to go with a more powerful car. You cant just remove the turbo and drive it. As always, if you want a turbo car it is cheaper to buy one turbo, same with N/A. If you want an N/A car, buy it already in that form rather then convert.

20"s will most likely rub and i dont know of any non-chrome 20" wheels so theres the added douche factor of that aswell

Think the kind of car you are after is a BMW sedan (325i) from what you have said. Around you price range ($15,000 max for a pre-98 model), a bit of go (V6 from memory), comfortable sedan with a classy (see also: Yuppie) look but at the same time this is the most common car to see in a Uni carpark with 20" chrome wheels and phat bass pumping hectically

Can't find the link but it was 2006, can guarantee it. You can get a v8/turbo with a reasonable excuse but its not worth the effort.

Haha yeah no douche bag but 20" chrome wheels yes. Maybe not 20" but 18-19". I think more like these ones

But i agree they overly chrome ones do look a bit homo.

You damn people where is the love for skylines trying to make me get 1950 celicas and hatchbacks and bmws!!

Do you have any clue to who i ring to make sure about the v8/turbo thing, because i keep reading that its NSW and not ACT

[Baconer]

Canberraconnect.com - 13 22 81 would be the best place to call, I've tried searching all the government websites but cannot find it in writing. I was pretty much 100% sure that is ruling but who knows, crappy websites.

Was saying that if you cant get a turbo/v8 then 1st gen celica, hatchback or bmw is your best bet. If you can get a turbo car, buy my 33 GTST haha

Also something else, have you owned a car before or will this be your first and how long have you had your P's for. Your first car is supposed to and should be an absolute shitter of a car, its where you will (not might, -WILL-) make all your crappy driving mistakes. I shouldn't be preaching this, i've only got 2.5 years driving experience, but the majority of people i know have all made some stupid mistake that has caused some varying degree of damage to their car within their first year of driving or at least had a very near miss. No point in ruining a skyline over some stupid mistake ( )

[JewJitsu]

Canberraconnect.com - 13 22 81 would be the best place to call, I've tried searching all the government websites but cannot find it in writing. I was pretty much 100% sure that is ruling but who knows, crappy websites.

Was saying that if you cant get a turbo/v8 then 1st gen celica, hatchback or bmw is your best bet. If you can get a turbo car, buy my 33 GTST haha

Also something else, have you owned a car before or will this be your first and how long have you had your P's for. Your first car is supposed to and should be an absolute shitter of a car, its where you will (not might, -WILL-) make all your crappy driving mistakes. I shouldn't be preaching this, i've only got 2.5 years driving experience, but the majority of people i know have all made some stupid mistake that has caused some varying degree of damage to their car within their first year of driving or at least had a very near miss. No point in ruining a skyline over some stupid mistake ( )

Yeah id rather not get a 1st gen celica doesnt look too safe . Id probably just cruise on a falcon in the mean time or buy some 1000$ car, maybe a stick so i can learn it since im only AUTO, i like the semi-auto gearbox thus why i want the r34, not much a fan of manuals but i guess i barely driven them.

And the r34 25gt doesnt seem too bad, hopefully that guy is still selling the seriesII one looks pretty nice.

But i guess you're right about driving a shitpile for a while, it gets you used to the road and gets you better knowledge of maintaining and repairing the fcker since a 1000$ car will need that, but hopefully wont require purchase of parts. And what accidents have you had during your first drivings ?

[Baconer]

Not safe! The toyota guys would skin you for that haha, nah they do look fairly rickety but they are a surprisingly comfortable and cruisy car for something 32+ years old.

If this is going to be your first car, definitely buy a shitter of a car.

In my first year of driving before i had the major crash and wrote off my car and smartened up I never drove to the conditions and lost it in the rain twice (once at 80km and was VERY lucky to escape that, came to a stop in someones front yard between a large concrete light post and a gum tree with no more then 1m either side), overtaking on roundabouts and around corners, didn't maintain the car, drove for only myself and didn't take much notice of other peoples driving.

I was telling my sister the same thing about 2 weeks before her crash, she was overtaken on a roundabout but kept going the same speed, exiting the roundabout the other car had to slam on the brakes for the form 1 lane ahead and my sister ran right up the back, with experience she would of known to slow down to leave a gap.

My big crash just involved me driving like an idiot, accelerating too hard out of a roundabout and sliding into a light post

[JewJitsu]

Not safe! The toyota guys would skin you for that haha, nah they do look fairly rickety but they are a surprisingly comfortable and cruisy car for something 32+ years old.

If this is going to be your first car, definitely buy a shitter of a car.

In my first year of driving before i had the major crash and wrote off my car and smartened up I never drove to the conditions and lost it in the rain twice (once at 80km and was VERY lucky to escape that, came to a stop in someones front yard between a large concrete light post and a gum tree with no more then 1m either side), overtaking on roundabouts and around corners, didn't maintain the car, drove for only myself and didn't take much notice of other peoples driving.

I was telling my sister the same thing about 2 weeks before her crash, she was overtaken on a roundabout but kept going the same speed, exiting the roundabout the other car had to slam on the brakes for the form 1 lane ahead and my sister ran right up the back, with experience she would of known to slow down to leave a gap.

My big crash just involved me driving like an idiot, accelerating too hard out of a roundabout and sliding into a light post

O shit son that looks bad!!!

But i guess its completely your fault for hitting the gas too hard off a turn. Or did your boost kick in too at that time . But depends how you drive, if you dont take unneccessary risks for no reason you'll be fine, but i think the main thing you gotta learn is watching and predicting other peoples driving and learn to avoid their mistakes costing you money, thus you are true i think i will drive around for 9more months in a crap box before getting a nice car. But i really do want a r34 so if the turbo laws are in place or itll be too expensive to keep a turbo car ill just get the 25gt and hopefully find one with gtr brakes etc. And how much diffrerence do the brakes make in the skylines ? I rode in my friends twin turbo supra and that thing brakes hell hard.

*by the way im not jewish*

[R32_Matt]

^^^^^^^

That car was a non turbo RB20!

when you are first out on the roads by yourself it is lack of skill / experience rather than too much power that causes accidents

[Baconer]

yea it was my stupidity but it was also lack of experience, knowing what i know now i would have braked rather then panicking and trying to accelerate out of it (fishtale up the road into light post), 1 gigantic shit storm later with a certain company trying to pin a very large ($25k+) con job on me and i learnt a lesson (i didnt have to pay the money, the company got caught doing the dodge on me, i was extremely lucky)

I still keep the front left wheel at home, memento of retardation

[JewJitsu]

yea it was my stupidity but it was also lack of experience, knowing what i know now i would have braked rather then panicking and trying to accelerate out of it (fishtale up the road into light post), 1 gigantic shit storm later with a certain company trying to pin a very large ($25k+) con job on me and i learnt a lesson (i didnt have to pay the money, the company got caught doing the dodge on me, i was extremely lucky)

I still keep the front left wheel at home, memento of retardation

Yeah man brakes are the way to go, i remember when i was learning to drive with my dad i would accelerate on the roundabout probably too much and out of it and to correct myself i would not touch the brakes but just steer and gas, and my dad told me to always use brakes in situations because im not experienced enough to get out of situations with just the wheel and gas. And braking is good when fishtailing because the car should straighten up.

How much did it cost to fix up your car and was it capable of still driving or was the shaft and rims etc bent too much.