Top Gear: Could Their Big Race Challenge Be Gtr Vs ?

[zZzDanzZz]

That was the most hilarious comment from that episode!!!

nah it'll fit into any other R35 GTR, it just wont fit into any earlier ones. and as most you guys should know the earlier ones could be swapped around pretty easily.

loved the beaver comment, i dont think the girl had a clue haha

[GTS4WD]

Disapointed in the Top Gear reveiw..

They didnt even talk about the car.

Poor effort boys

[lingeringsoul]

Disapointed in the Top Gear reveiw..

They didnt even talk about the car.

Poor effort boys

this'll be next week

[scathing]

one of these day, I'm going to buy an alfa just to see what the fuss is all about.......

Alfas, for me, are cars that look when they're released and sound good but are shit at everything else. Old Alfas were unreliable. New Alfas are relatively slow and boring to drive. None of them age well, appearance-wise. The resale on them reflects that.

That said, I do really like the look of the Alfa 159 sedan and I heard a V6 one tear by me a few months ago and thought it sounded porn. I'd consider buying a 1-2 year old one as a daily if I could afford it.

[Marlin]

I don't blame TG spreading their review over two, or even three episodes. The interest in the GTR is massive worldwide, and is a sure-fire way to have everyone watching each episode it features. The advertising execs will be rolling in cash

[lingeringsoul]

Alfas, for me, are cars that look when they're released and sound good but are shit at everything else. Old Alfas were unreliable. New Alfas are relatively slow and boring to drive. None of them age well, appearance-wise. The resale on them reflects that.

That said, I do really like the look of the Alfa 159 sedan and I heard a V6 one tear by me a few months ago and thought it sounded porn. I'd consider buying a 1-2 year old one as a daily if I could afford it.

oh this much I got from their reviews and raves about alfas, what I'm trying to uunderstand is the, pardon the cliche, soul and passion behind the car. If by soul and passion they mean the car looking good but constantly breaking down, wouldn't the majority of US made cars fit into that catagory as well? I mean face it, US does make some pretty gorgeous looking cars and pretty shit quality as far as I've heard in the last 10 years. If by soul and passion they meant by design of the car, the majority of of the european designed supercars are just as soulful and passionate. They have been pretty vague about this soul and passion thing, ,which kind of really makes it mysterious and appealing

[lingeringsoul]

I don't blame TG spreading their review over two, or even three episodes. The interest in the GTR is massive worldwide, and is a sure-fire way to have everyone watching each episode it features. The advertising execs will be rolling in cash

So.............what do you think the track time would be? Lets start the speeculations!!!!!!

[shepo]

my guess is it will be around the 1.20 mark. which will put it with the mclaren slr and the ascari kz1.

[lingeringsoul]

I'll be more optimistic and say low 1.19, hopeefully it'll nudge out the Scuderia

[God_speed]

I also think it'll be around the 1.20 mark; based on other tests such as EVO's R35 v 997 GT3 at Bedford, the R35 should be about 1-2s faster than the 997.

Wouldn't you say TG's test track is also a fairly 'fast' track? This should also favour the GT-R's mass which is on the heavy side as well as its gearing and horsepower.

Either way. Look at the top 21 cars on the TG circuit below. If I'm not mistaken there would be no other cars here in this rarified territory that are as quick as the GT-R, yet are also relatively affordable (sub $180K) AND have a back seat too, so your mates can come along.

1 Ascari A10 1.17.3

2 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6

3 Pagani Zonda F 1.18.4

4 Maserati MC12 1.18.9

5 Ferrari Enzo 1.19.0

6 Ariel Atom 1.19.5

7 Lamborghini LP640 1.19.8

8 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8

9 Ascari KZ1 1.20.7

10 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 1.20.9

11 Ferrari 599 GTB 1.21.2

12 Ford GT 1.21.9

13 Porsche GT3 RS 1.22.3

14 Ferrari 360 CS 1.22.3

15 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1.22.4

16 Noble M15 1.22.5

17 Ferrari F430 1.22.9

18 Lamborghini Murcielago 1.23.7

19 Pagani Zonda 1.23.8

20 Koenigsegg 1.23.9

21 Audi R8 1.24.4

Edited July 16, 2008 by God_speed

[lingeringsoul]

Oh wait I just realised, Wiki said they were reviewing it in Japan.................................DOH!!!!!

[limpus]

Yeapz...Its not going to go round their own test track...i'm just hoping that when its finally released over there they get it on the track to test it...

[Marlin]

Didn't they have one in the studio though guys?

[Snowman]

I still understand the upcoming "track review" will be more of a car review (to hopefully shut up the whingers) but it will be done on a track in Japan.

Apparently Nissan UK have said GTR deliveries will start for them in June 09 now so I'd expect to see the TG track time set after that. Or season 12 at the earliest.

[gts-4 dreamer]

1:21--1:23 on tg track.

clarkson's face going up that hill was 4 year old smiles right after a wtf... no way!.. he didnt say it... but his facials sure did.

[funkymonkey]

yeah there was a red one in the studio when they were presenting it. registered too from the looks of it. most probably a grey import.

the track shootout wasn't supposed to be next episode... they said "later in the series".

[lingeringsoul]

ok I just heard from GTROC that they did have a GTR going around TG track and some one just finished a 6 hour shoot. No mention of the lap time but I sure hope it decimated all.

[baron25]

yeah there was a red one in the studio when they were presenting it. registered too from the looks of it. most probably a grey import.

the track shootout wasn't supposed to be next episode... they said "later in the series".

It's only a six episode series, so it must be near. TG website lists the coming episode's features, inc GTR on a Japanese circuit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/show/nextepisode.shtml

[sewid]

nah it'll fit into any other R35 GTR, it just wont fit into any earlier ones. and as most you guys should know the earlier ones could be swapped around pretty easily.

loved the beaver comment, i dont think the girl had a clue haha

actually, Clarkson is right. Each GT-R's transmission is coded for that GT-R's transmission's ECU and if you replace the transmission you must connect to the transmission computer with Consult III w/ the GT-R card installed and update it for that transmission.

Of course this isn't necessarily the only way to do it but it's how Nissan say it must be done.

http://www.nissan-techinfo.com/dept.aspx?dept_id=23

GT-R Transmission Config

GT-R Transmission configuration using the Consult III

When the transmission or transmission control unit is replaced, the IP characteristic data must be written into the TCM. This process is call TCM configuration. If this data is not written into the new TCM, the transmission will not operate. When the transmission is replaced, for correct operation, the characteristic data for the new transmission must be written into the TCM.

To perform TCM configuration you will need to download the “TCM configuration application”. This application requires the use of the Nissan Consult III diagnostic tool and the GT-R diagnostic security card.

[scathing]

oh this much I got from their reviews and raves about alfas, what I'm trying to uunderstand is the, pardon the cliche, soul and passion behind the car.

Come out to a multi-club supersprint. AROCA (Alfa Romeo Owners Club of Australia) is one of the clubs, along with the NSCC and HSV Club, and maybe you can pick it up. I can't stand Alfasuds. Loudest things there bar the VK ex-race cars, but slower than a wet week. I don't understand the "soul" and "passion" either, but a mate used to have an old Alfa 75 and has a soft spot for it.

The way I see it, "character" is a zealot's euphemism for "things that a sane person with a normal car that doesn't suffer from would call shit".