The Goods On Oils

[pipster11]

Kudos , I looked it up on thier site--I'm sure it was $198.00.

the ntk one is exacty the same ans is only $77

or go to bursons or supercheap, they are only $80 or $90

if the have trouble finding one then say its the same as an n14 sss pulsar (sr20), its the same sensor and plug

[KrazyKong]

I just want to add that i have been running Motul 8100 xcess 5w40w for 2 oil changes now and it's been ''rattly''. I put it down to the forged pistons but have dismissed that since running Motul turbolight 10w40w which has made it quiet.

Wow I never would have thought the 4100 would be "better" in your engine than the 8100. It must be down to the oil weights then, as I'm sure 8100 has more additives and detergents in it. But it's being let down by an inferior weight. This only gives me evidence to 10w40 being one of the top weight choices for our cars. But just remember not all 10w40s are the same and some are terrible like Castrol. I was very much leaning towards trying 8100 once my Sougi dries up, but now I'm certainly starting to have doubts.

Aww shucks Kong

Another satisfied Sougi fan...glad I wasn't just imagining things when I first made the switch to it. And it was pure luck through my distribution of GW haha. Oh yeah, still gotta get around to speaking with Andrew, was pretty busy this week so didn't attempt a second time...will try on Monday.

Rule of thumb is 5000km for mineral, 7500km for semi and 10,000km for full synthetic. Personally, I change mine every 5000km despite using Sougi. As a full synthetic you can stretch it out to 10,000km without a worry but I occasionally track my car and give it a boost quite frequently on the street. I'm also obsessive about oil changes - Sougi is that cheap for what it is that you can afford to "waste" it on 5000km intervals.

As gohan pointed out, it's more important how your car is driven. Above rules of thumb tend to apply to your average daily driven vehicles...if that fits your bill then by all means stick to them. But I think you'll find that Skylines, even daily driven, spend more time in the upper rev range than your average car...shearing the oil more and creating more contaminants (carbon etc.). Based on this I would shorten the intervals accordingly.

Yeah dude, I know I'm not the only one whose very eager to for this phone call with Andrew. It's being cruel to finally find a near perfect oil for my car, and then find out it's being discontinued.

[R31 POWER]

It might just be the pistons in my case. Im not sure on the brand/ clearances.

[EJD001]

What are peoples thoughts on repsol oils.. im using a 5w30 competion oil.. had no dramas with it so far..

Also.. going to do a track day soon.. was thinking of using a 10w60 oil... Alfa romeo racing oil.. do u think this will be fine to run in it..

cheers mick

[Moodles2]

What are peoples thoughts on repsol oils.. im using a 5w30 competion oil.. had no dramas with it so far..

Also.. going to do a track day soon.. was thinking of using a 10w60 oil... Alfa romeo racing oil.. do u think this will be fine to run in it..

cheers mick

You would only use a -w60 hot rating if it has serious oil blowby issues at the track

[Galois]

As gohan pointed out, it's more important how your car is driven. Above rules of thumb tend to apply to your average daily driven vehicles...if that fits your bill then by all means stick to them. But I think you'll find that Skylines, even daily driven, spend more time in the upper rev range than your average car...shearing the oil more and creating more contaminants (carbon etc.). Based on this I would shorten the intervals accordingly.

haha so very true. it is certainly more satisfying in the higher rpm than other cars ive driven

the ntk one is exacty the same ans is only $77

or go to bursons or supercheap, they are only $80 or $90

if the have trouble finding one then say its the same as an n14 sss pulsar (sr20), its the same sensor and plug

kudos told me my only choice was genuine nissan as there were no aftermarket ones for an r34 gtt...

Wow I never would have thought the 4100 would be "better" in your engine than the 8100. It must be down to the oil weights then, as I'm sure 8100 has more additives and detergents in it. But it's being let down by an inferior weight. This only gives me evidence to 10w40 being one of the top weight choices for our cars. But just remember not all 10w40s are the same and some are terrible like Castrol. I was very much leaning towards trying 8100 once my Sougi dries up, but now I'm certainly starting to have doubts.

im not going to say the 4100 isn't better than the 8100, but there are a LOT of great testimates to 8100 in this thread, esp going back 20-40 pages ago there were lots of good words on its behalf.

additive doesn't equal awesomeness, the mechanism behind a good oil is way too complicated for that. the oil has to lubricate both big moving parts like pistons, and small ones like in the turbo, and fast moving ones like the turbo, and relatively slow moving ones like the cam shaft, it also has to stand up to great stresses on boost and make it if the engine is run for 18 hours straight, and all the while we expect it co clean the engine from carbon build up from both blowby and oil decomposition and demand it protect well at 5000km and beyond.

oil quality can't just come down to weights, cos then every piece of crap 10w40 would be better than 8100, but i doubt (haven't checked) there are any positive magnatec posts. 10w40 and 5w40 are very close, birds (whose word we all hang on lol, cheers for all the great info mate) has stated this repeatedly, and after 5 mins of driving the two oils would have almost identical viscosity, and actual identical viscosity after 10 mins despite their chemical composition (given two identical oils of the same weight, just for the sake of the point). for example, the oil might have too much of a flushing effect on the engine and strip any positive coked carbon deposits, or for an extreme totally unrealistic example, it's possible to create a 10w40 oil which will slowly dissolve the metal in the engine.

if there's a problem with an oil it is most likely with the chemical additives acting in a counter-productive way on the engine components, or doing weird things chemically independently of viscosity (comparing a 5w and 10w). the major differences between oils are their chemical composition, not their viscosity. again, otherwise we'd all be buying whatever no-name style 10w40 we could find.

also don't forget that all over the forums people have had weird results because each engine is unique. its like spark plugs haha im jealous of every person who has effectively solved their missfire coilpack problems with a couple of layers of electrical tape.

again i'm not saying that 8100 is better than anything, just that particular oils work better/worse on particular cars, and that cold weight difference between 5 and 10 is of lesser importance than oil composition.

the advantage of a 5 is that it is easier to pump on start up and get to all components of the engine, though as birds says 10w will get to all components soon enough in the average australian environment.

What are peoples thoughts on repsol oils.. im using a 5w30 competion oil.. had no dramas with it so far..

Also.. going to do a track day soon.. was thinking of using a 10w60 oil... Alfa romeo racing oil.. do u think this will be fine to run in it..

cheers mick

5w30 seems very light to run on a car of a skyline's age, the recommended weight prety much unanimously is 10w40, with some people going with 5w40 as the hot weights are the same and in terms of viscosity measurement 5w and 10w are remarkably similar.

[EJD001]

the car has less than 85,000 on it.. have been using it as long as i have had the car and had no issues at all..

[Birds]

I said a long time ago that every engine is unique and just because an oil works great for one person doesn't mean it will for another, even if you have the exact same car. Too many variables are involved. So there is no need to argue that one grade or brand will always be better than another. However, there is obviously some clear cut homogeneity across oils, e.g. haven't heard a complaint about 300V or Sougi when used in a Skyline.

If 5w30 works for you no troubles then keep using it, but maybe one day try the 10w40 grade and see if you notice any improvement? There is an ignorance is bliss effect where unless you venture out and try different grades, the oil you're using is always going to feel fine. You certainly aren't going to do any harm trying a different grade or brand.

[Birds]

Went to change my oil lastnight, and after draining I went to look for a bottle of S6000. To my shock horror, some inconsiderate **** had used my last bottle of it and forgot to order some more. Blessing in disguise though, as I still have about 50 bottles of M5000 sitting here on the shelf, which is the semi-synthetic brother of S6000. Needed some way to get home so I had to settle for "less" and use one of them, figuring I'd change it out when more S6000 rocks up. Now I say "less" because, even though it has only been one day of driving, it is so far feeling every bit as good as S6000. Test of time will tell, but if the only difference between M5000 and S6000 is a longer service interval (as per synthetic and semi-synthetic) - for just over HALF the price of S6000, M5000 is a friggen gem in itself. Considering I change at 5,000km regardless it is probably better suited to me. Will let you lot know how it goes over the next 5000km.

[Galois]

haha bad luck birds. simple tasks sometimes create the biggest problems lol.

will definitely be keeping an ear out for the second half of this story

[Birds]

Okay guys I have an update on Sougi:

Rang Andrew Vicary today...told him I had a bunch of pissed off car enthusiasts (accurate description? lol) complaining to me about Sougi facing the chopping board. Poor bastard (he's a real top bloke) has had more than a few complaints about the news of Sougi being discontinued. Reason I didn't hear about Sougi's discontinuation is because the email "iamhe77" received was a reply to his enquiry about Sougi, and not a distributor news mailout as I originally thought it was. Now it is true that Sougi is headed for discontinuation...it comes down to a space issue for GW as they need the storage space for other oils and this oil did not have a big enough fanbase to make it viable storing the product in their warehouse (can't just store small amounts of it as they need to blend a shitload all at once to make it worthwhile producing).

HOWEVER...Andrew has said they are now reconsidering the decision to scrap Sougi...I put this down to loyal fans showing their support for the product, be it praise or angry call/letter/email lol. So without saying it, I suppose you can let them know you are an avid fan and do not want to see this oil disappear from the market. Try not to be angry with GW though - as I said before this is in their eyes what is best for the company. In any case, Andrew assured me he had plenty of it in stock (in the thousands of litres), so even if it is discontinued, there is something of a surplus for us to plow through first (a good deal of which I'll be buying up on if I get confirmation Sougi will be axed for sure).

Hope that helps guys.

[scarface_au]

Okay guys I have an update on Sougi:

Rang Andrew Vicary today...told him I had a bunch of pissed off car enthusiasts (accurate description? lol) complaining to me about Sougi facing the chopping board. Poor bastard (he's a real top bloke) has had more than a few complaints about the news of Sougi being discontinued. Reason I didn't hear about Sougi's discontinuation is because the email "iamhe77" received was a reply to his enquiry about Sougi, and not a distributor news mailout as I originally thought it was. Now it is true that Sougi is headed for discontinuation...it comes down to a space issue for GW as they need the storage space for other oils and this oil did not have a big enough fanbase to make it viable storing the product in their warehouse (can't just store small amounts of it as they need to blend a shitload all at once to make it worthwhile producing).

HOWEVER...Andrew has said they are now reconsidering the decision to scrap Sougi...I put this down to loyal fans showing their support for the product, be it praise or angry call/letter/email lol. So without saying it, I suppose you can let them know you are an avid fan and do not want to see this oil disappear from the market. Try not to be angry with GW though - as I said before this is in their eyes what is best for the company. In any case, Andrew assured me he had plenty of it in stock (in the thousands of litres), so even if it is discontinued, there is something of a surplus for us to plow through first (a good deal of which I'll be buying up on if I get confirmation Sougi will be axed for sure).

Hope that helps guys.

Sounds like good news. I guess I don't need to re-mortgage the house to buy a lifetime supply of Sougi now :-)

[j3zz4]

So without saying it, I suppose you can let them know you are an avid fan and do not want to see this oil disappear from the market.

would this be best done through email or snail mail?

[Birds]

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Your email address is gonna get signed up for some spammage of the spammer. Enjoy.

would this be best done through email or snail mail?

Snail is always better IMO as it will be much more certain to reach the addressee. More formal and more effective, but if it's too much trouble then just send an email cause it's still another Sougi fan who's pissed lol.

[pipster11]

kudos told me my only choice was genuine nissan as there were no aftermarket ones for an r34 gtt...

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yeah the plug is different, so will need to be cut and crimped (most run stainless wire and can't be soldered) pretty sure its the same sensor tho

[some_cs_student]

I'm seeing a lot of passion about Sougi, and that's great. But has anyone completed an used oil analysis on it yet? (UOA)?

I can see comments about the quietness of the engine et cetera, but I don't think that's the best way to judge the quality of an oil.

I've seen the comments about it been an affordable group V which is great if they keep making it

[KrazyKong]

Went to change my oil lastnight, and after draining I went to look for a bottle of S6000. To my shock horror, some inconsiderate **** had used my last bottle of it and forgot to order some more. Blessing in disguise though, as I still have about 50 bottles of M5000 sitting here on the shelf, which is the semi-synthetic brother of S6000. Needed some way to get home so I had to settle for "less" and use one of them, figuring I'd change it out when more S6000 rocks up. Now I say "less" because, even though it has only been one day of driving, it is so far feeling every bit as good as S6000. Test of time will tell, but if the only difference between M5000 and S6000 is a longer service interval (as per synthetic and semi-synthetic) - for just over HALF the price of S6000, M5000 is a friggen gem in itself. Considering I change at 5,000km regardless it is probably better suited to me. Will let you lot know how it goes over the next 5000km.

I've been so happy with S6000 I forgot all about little old M5000. I have no doubt it's a good oil. Let us know how it runs eh as for half the price of S6000 if it runs as good, it's still going to be better than pretty much every other semi and false "fully" synthetic out there.

Okay guys I have an update on Sougi:

Rang Andrew Vicary today...told him I had a bunch of pissed off car enthusiasts (accurate description? lol) complaining to me about Sougi facing the chopping board. Poor bastard (he's a real top bloke) has had more than a few complaints about the news of Sougi being discontinued. Reason I didn't hear about Sougi's discontinuation is because the email "iamhe77" received was a reply to his enquiry about Sougi, and not a distributor news mailout as I originally thought it was. Now it is true that Sougi is headed for discontinuation...it comes down to a space issue for GW as they need the storage space for other oils and this oil did not have a big enough fanbase to make it viable storing the product in their warehouse (can't just store small amounts of it as they need to blend a shitload all at once to make it worthwhile producing).

HOWEVER...Andrew has said they are now reconsidering the decision to scrap Sougi...I put this down to loyal fans showing their support for the product, be it praise or angry call/letter/email lol. So without saying it, I suppose you can let them know you are an avid fan and do not want to see this oil disappear from the market. Try not to be angry with GW though - as I said before this is in their eyes what is best for the company. In any case, Andrew assured me he had plenty of it in stock (in the thousands of litres), so even if it is discontinued, there is something of a surplus for us to plow through first (a good deal of which I'll be buying up on if I get confirmation Sougi will be axed for sure).

Hope that helps guys.

Ah, the famous phone call finally happened. Interesting about Sougi's demise down to a lack of space. Surely that's an easy fix as even if there's no space in their current location, another storage space could be secured very easily. Hmmm, so Andrew said Sougi didn't have a big enough fanbase. Well that means only one thing. Everyone here who uses Sougi needs to send a letter (snail mail) to Andrew. GW need to hear there is a fanbase for Sougi and how much we like it, how pissed off we are at the thought of losing it, and to thank them for making a great and non expensive product.

Nice to hear about the surplus. However I think we can no only convince them to continue production, but maybe to market it a little better. Sougi's success is down to an exceptional product for a cannot be beat price. Grassroots at it's finest.

So guys and supporters of Sougi, even if it's only a dozen of us on here who have actually used the product. Let Andrew and Ben know how much we love Sougi, take pictures of your car with a Sougi bottle next to it and send it to them. Printout stuff from these forums. There is alot we can do. GW don't need to receive tens of thousands of letters to get the messages. They are already getting it, so let's make sure they then know how passionate we all are.

I'm seeing a lot of passion about Sougi, and that's great. But has anyone completed an used oil analysis on it yet? (UOA)?

I can see comments about the quietness of the engine et cetera, but I don't think that's the best way to judge the quality of an oil.

I've seen the comments about it been an affordable group V which is great if they keep making it

Sougi isn't all about engine quietness. It's about how smooth the engine runs, how the car feels more responsive, how the oil pressures are better and not so high or eratic. Group V it sure is, and for our cars also it seems the combination of the Ester base and 10w40 makes it a winner. Would be very interesting to see an oil analysis, but if you were going to do that, then it would make sense to then do one for Royal Purple and 300V/8100 as those are the only readily available oils that compare with Sougi.

Edited May 24, 2010 by KrazyKong

[Birds]

I wouldn't mind seeing an UOA actually, as some_cs_student raises a valid point - none of us here have done one yet and it is a good comparison. My testament to Sougi is having used it for over 20,000km so far without a hassle. We also run it in our S15 race cars and have never lost a bottom end (we've done plenty of heads but never thrown a rod). Granted everyone here has been giving subjective reviews of Sougi, but I don't think a crappy oil can sustain the kind of effects that we are seeing in our vehicles, e.g. smooth & responsive rev range, stable and consistent oil pressures etc. That to me means more than feedback from a UOA because you're testing the oil in its element within its purpose, rather than relying on quantitative measures. Results would still be interesting to me though.

I think car enthusiasts are much more in tune with their engines than your average vehicle driver - we have a feel for anything that might be amiss (unless you're one of those goons who just likes to thrash your car and ignore it). Particularly for Skylines, there is a disorder I like to call "Skyline paranoia". Every Skyline driver knows of this...the sound of a rattle or something that just doesn't feel right in the car. Sougi just seems to solve this on the engine front, well it feels like there's one less thing to worry about in the car amidst suspension creaks, crunching synchros and worn thrust bearings. It's gotta be doing something right, we haven't had a single person yet say "this is crap I'm going back to x".

Kong, turns out M5000 has the same additives as S6000, so besides being full synthetic...I reckon it's a winner in itself. So now we're looking at less than 1/3 the price of 300V (plus an extra litre). Even if you changed it every 2500km you're still on top lol. The storage space is a legitimate reason though mate...I've been to the warehouse in Sydney, it runs straight off the back of their head office and it's quite literally packed to the brim with 205L and 20L drums...it's not viable to store oil in 5L volumnes off site. Got to remember that GW is marketed towards performance oil like Motul, even if they produce a great performance product like Sougi. Their market isn't for performance packaged oil - that's why Motul sell their top drop for $120+...there's alot of profit in that figure. Andrew and co do indeed recognise that Sougi has something of a fanbase, even if it's only small - they know this from sales data and also the complaints they received about Sougi being discontinued. But without speaking for them, I think if they were to continue it they would only let it grow through word of mouth as I cannot blame them for not wanting to put dollars into marketing a boutique packaged oil. This to me is fair enough.

[some_cs_student]

I wouldn't mind seeing an UOA actually, as some_cs_student raises a valid point - none of us here have done one yet and it is a good comparison. My testament to Sougi is having used it for over 20,000km so far without a hassle. We also run it in our S15 race cars and have never lost a bottom end (we've done plenty of heads but never thrown a rod). Granted everyone here has been giving subjective reviews of Sougi, but I don't think a crappy oil can sustain the kind of effects that we are seeing in our vehicles, e.g. smooth & responsive rev range, stable and consistent oil pressures etc. That to me means more than feedback from a UOA because you're testing the oil in its element within its purpose, rather than relying on quantitative measures. Results would still be interesting to me though.

Sure, and that sounds great. But I can same the thing about other oils, so how do I know that one oil is better than another?

I mean, someone could run group III in there race cars and be fine for a few a while

EDIT: in fact oils like Amsoil are a group III/IV blend or similar, and that is considered a high-end oil

I'm not saying that anyone here is wrong about Sougi, but the past 4 pages of posts are by a very small number of forum members, so I'm not exactly taking that as gospel, or that Sougi is a vastly superior oil to known good oils.

Just FYI, I use German Castrol 0w30 recently, I've also tried Castrol 0w40 (bad!) and Amsoil 10w40, I do plan to complete a UOA next oil change, and there is plenty of evidence about the quality of German Castrol 0w30 on bobistheoilguy

[Birds]

Alright well maybe give Sougi a go and give us a UOA while you're at it

If you want to say the same thing about other oils you're free to do that...this whole thread is void of UOAs...as far as I can see it's a bunch of people saying "I use x oil because it feels better in my car" and that's all the 6 or so people have done about Sougi for the last few pages. I never said there was anything wrong with group III/IV oils either. More important are viscosity and additives used, rather than the group classification it meets because of the base oil used. However, there's no denying 300V is an awesome oil and incidentally it's a Group V like Sougi.

If someone runs group 3 in their race car and it works well for them I'd say keep using it. I have a mineral 25w70 that gets used in top fuel dragsters...it costs less than $30 a bottle and it's one of only a handful oils on the market that will work well with alcohol powered vehicles - everyone who uses it swears by it. But that's all the average person can do because who can really be bothered doing a UOA on every oil they try out?

German Castol 0w30 might be a high quality oil and good at what it does but the viscosity is not really suited to Australian climate/conditions, not in our engines. That's the problem with following recommendations on an overseas based website...but if it works wonders for you then more power to you, and maybe one day try another oil like Sougi and see if you think 0w30 still serves you better - it may well do.

What I'm getting at, is that every scenario is different and even two cars of the same make and model aren't guaranteed to work well with the same oil, especially after 100,000km of driving. So even UOA have extraneous variables that make test results non-applicable to everyone. I've maintained throughout this thread that if an oil works well for someone they should keep using it because in the end they're the one who has to drive the vehicle and knows what feels good in it and what doesn't.