The Goods On Oils

[BASHO]

Basho, don't pay $260 when you can pay $77 instead. Try this link http://www.kudosmotorsports.com/catalog/ng...25det-p-42.html

Kudos are based in Nerang, so you might even be able to pick it up and save on some shipping costs.

Thanks for that for the GT-t Neo I'm still stuck with the Nissan origional @ $198 which still is better than Nissan direct at $260.00 though , Cheers.

[Galois]

yeah just got an email from kudos saying the same thing

where did you get the $198 one from basho? thanks

[j3zz4]

If there's anyone in Perth looking for sougi there's a place in malaga that I just got a bottle from called Leader Oils. I can give out their number and address if people were interested. They did an awesome price for me and are friendly so I'd recommend them.

[Galois]

for anyone that wants to know, lol, unsurprisingly castrol magnatec is awful for a skyline. i'm running it in an r34 gtt as part of a flush im doing every 1000km (long story), this flush it ended up being castrol. i know some people pay more attention to the weights of oils rather than whether or not it is synthetic (which is inadvisable) so just a heads up, this oil won't make you happy.

the engine doesn't like to rev, it feels uncomfortable at mid to high rpm and is certainly louder/more raspy. it is cheap and the right weight but still not really an option.

so, just so everyone knows for sure, castrol magnatec is no good for skylines...

Edited May 21, 2010 by Galois

[BASHO]

for anyone that wants to know, lol, unsurprisingly castrol magnatec is awful for a skyline. i'm running it in an r34 gtt as part of a flush im doing every 1000km (long story), this flush it ended up being castrol. i know some people pay more attention to the weights of oils rather than whether or not it is synthetic (which is inadvisable) so just a heads up, this oil won't make you happy.

the engine doesn't like to rev, it feels uncomfortable at mid to high rpm and is certainly louder/more raspy. it is cheap and the right weight but still not really an option.

so, just so everyone knows for sure, castrol magnatec is no good for skylines...

Comes as no suprise I use it in my partners PT Cruiser--and it loves the sh---stuff.

Edited May 21, 2010 by BASHO

[iamhe77]

AMSOil, which i'm runnning, i believe is a Group IV/V blend. Not that pricey either, again, got this from Harold. Being american, meant to be ok with E85 (which unfortunately not oils are).

Amsoil are a Group IV (PAO base) oil.... well at least they were as of Feb last year (I looked into becoming a distributor, thus received a heap of their newsletters - which were quite informative actually )

Thought it was a pretty good oil from experience.

how much is amsoil?

You will have to find an Australian distributor.

Both Henry at Performancelub.com and the guys from Lubrication Management can supply Amsoil products. Both are in Vic, have purchased from both and can recommend either for Amsoil products - although I do prefer to purchase via Henry

Just Google "amsoil" and filter it for "australian websites only" and you should find one close to wherever you are.

[j3zz4]

Using the sougi oil, should I still be changing eveything 5000km's? When I bought it earlier today the bloke I got it from seemed to think that I could easily leave it for 10,000kms before changing it. I dot know how performance car savvy he was though.

[SS8_Gohan]

10,000km is fine for a very good quality, true synthetic. That's half the point of them, longer change intervals. And if this GW is group V then 10K is fine.

But i'd still say depends on time AND km's. If you don't do 10,000km in a year then you'll be changing, if not then going by kms might be right for you.

Oh and it's Harold @ Performancelub

[Galois]

the double ester oils, ie group V, are supposed to last significantly longer than the pao synthetic oils, group IV's, up to 10 000km. but it will probably clean all sorts of crud from your engine left over from other oils so you might want to do the first change a bit quicker. i'd personally go 5000km the first time and maybe lengthen it after that.

[KrazyKong]

Ah ok, was wondering that myself actually. So for a Group V oil like Sougi, it would be either 1 year or 10,000kms? Otherwise for the semi synthetics and other products it's 6 months or 5,000kms right?

[SS8_Gohan]

yeah semi's you'd want to be pretty on the ball with changes. It's just a rough guide, but keep an eye on things a little more with Group III etc.

If you're really keen or just want to stretch your money further, do a UOA after say 5,000km's or 6months with a Group III, like Nulon or Edge and see what it returns. Result might be that's all fine and you can keep going.

Depends on your driving as well. If you see a lot of peak hour traffic, your intervals are going to be shorter.

Obviously this is all exclusive of track days.

[Galois]

group IV's are good for 5000km, but they're pao so they will break down after that, the double esters won't break down for a while after that. not sure if they actually break down or just become too saturated with blowby etc carbon from combustion...

seeing as most of us are only likely to get a couple of changes out of sougi i'll probably go 5000km. i'm picking up a few on monday for a ridiculously low $60, can't believe it lol, i thought it'd be mid 60s, not high 50s.

anyways, prob back to 8100 after that. i really liked it, SIGNIFICANTLY better than nulon. seriously, worth way more than the extra 10-ish bucks

just wondering what birds recommends about sougi changes? do you go the full 10 000km or a little less?

Edited May 21, 2010 by Galois

[KrazyKong]

group V's are good for 5000km, but they're pao so they will break down after that, the double esters won't break down for a while after that. not sure if they actually break down or just become too saturated with blowby etc carbon from combustion...

seeing as most of us are only likely to get a couple of changes out of sougi i'll probably go 5000km. i'm picking up a few on monday for a ridiculously low $60, can't believe it lol, i thought it'd be mid 60s, not high 50s.

anyways, prob back to 8100 after that. i really liked it, SIGNIFICANTLY better than nulon. seriously, worth way more than the extra 10-ish bucks

just wondering what birds recommends about sougi changes? do you go the full 10 000km or a little less?

I'm going to eek out as much life from Sougi as possible, and $ providing will stock up on some. Once that runs dry, who knows hopefully Motul will follow up on their looking into making a 10w40 8100 oil. Otherwise I imagine I'll look at either the 10w40 Royal or the 5w40 8100.

Galois, was that a typo you made? Group V oil should give you 10,000kms. And I'm sure Group IV would give more than 5000kms. It's the cheap ass, or not so cheap, but still cheap in quality oils that struggle to make 5000kms.

If money is really tight, I won't try Nulon, but might try some Valvoline, Elf, Shell or something semi. Even GW's SynX is a semi and in 10w40 too.

Interesting about your comments of the crap Castrol oil. Just adds more information here to others that it isn't the right type of oil to use. I wish the OP was around or something as we need an updated page now with not only what each group of oil is, and what makes/brands, but also what oils people have used and found they were not happy with them.

Edited May 21, 2010 by KrazyKong

[Galois]

haha yeah, fixed. i thought something looked a little weird before i posted but being friday i didnt think about if after that.

motul 8100 xcess can be grabbed for $75 so not too much more than sougi, royal purple is up round $81. nulon was ok, just the 8100 was worth way more than $10 more than it, i guess other grade III's will be the same...

yeah, so angry at the castrol, not sure why, i think i just figured due to its advertising it would feel ok for at least a few hundred km. i saw some adds like "want performance/quality, want castrol magnatec" or something like that and it just really annoyed me compared to whats out there. i'd change it tomorrow, literally, if i had managed to sougi today, but alas i'll have to wait till monday. i'll probably change some time next week when i get the chance, it doesn't take long and i'll feel so much better about it.

+1, someone who's been around longer than us could maybe look into upgrading the quality of the table/list i put up the other day. all the info was taken from their websites regarding pao and ester composition, but still, quite often it's experience that counts

[Get EPIC]

Change to sougi s6000 a few week ago and it has to be the best ive used to date.Thanks Kong.The oil pressure is slightly higher fom the time i put it in and has remained consistent even after my re-tune with new turbo.Every other oil i have used seemed to be really good for about a week and go backto the same pressure an old oil would after a couple weeks of driving.I'm going back next week and getting a couple more bottles and if it dries up im going to royal purple 10w40.I didn't like the motul 8100 excess.The car just felt really rough to my ears with it in when i used it.

[KrazyKong]

Change to sougi s6000 a few week ago and it has to be the best ive used to date.Thanks Kong.The oil pressure is slightly higher fom the time i put it in and has remained consistent even after my re-tune with new turbo.Every other oil i have used seemed to be really good for about a week and go backto the same pressure an old oil would after a couple weeks of driving.I'm going back next week and getting a couple more bottles and if it dries up im going to royal purple 10w40.I didn't like the motul 8100 excess.The car just felt really rough to my ears with it in when i used it.

All credit should goto Birds, that's who first put me onto the Sougi. Glad you like it, as I'm loving it too. Interesting about it holding up better than the other oils. And also nice to hear a direct comparison between 8100 vs Sougi.

[R31 POWER]

I just want to add that i have been running Motul 8100 xcess 5w40w for 2 oil changes now and it's been ''rattly''. I put it down to the forged pistons but have dismissed that since running Motul turbolight 10w40w which has made it quiet.

[Birds]

Aww shucks Kong

Another satisfied Sougi fan...glad I wasn't just imagining things when I first made the switch to it. And it was pure luck through my distribution of GW haha. Oh yeah, still gotta get around to speaking with Andrew, was pretty busy this week so didn't attempt a second time...will try on Monday.

just wondering what birds recommends about sougi changes? do you go the full 10 000km or a little less?

Rule of thumb is 5000km for mineral, 7500km for semi and 10,000km for full synthetic. Personally, I change mine every 5000km despite using Sougi. As a full synthetic you can stretch it out to 10,000km without a worry but I occasionally track my car and give it a boost quite frequently on the street. I'm also obsessive about oil changes - Sougi is that cheap for what it is that you can afford to "waste" it on 5000km intervals.

As gohan pointed out, it's more important how your car is driven. Above rules of thumb tend to apply to your average daily driven vehicles...if that fits your bill then by all means stick to them. But I think you'll find that Skylines, even daily driven, spend more time in the upper rev range than your average car...shearing the oil more and creating more contaminants (carbon etc.). Based on this I would shorten the intervals accordingly.

[BASHO]

I just want to add that i have been running Motul 8100 xcess 5w40w for 2 oil changes now and it's been ''rattly''. I put it down to the forged pistons but have dismissed that since running Motul turbolight 10w40w which has made it quiet.

I stopped using Motul two REX's and an Rx7 ago for exactly the same reason--even if everyone says its a good drop.

[BASHO]

yeah just got an email from kudos saying the same thing

where did you get the $198 one from basho? thanks

Kudos , I looked it up on thier site--I'm sure it was $198.00.