Trucks Impounded Under Hoon Laws

[D_I_F]

yes we are car enthusiats... shouldnt we be able to express our selves in regards to Driving and what and what doesnt effect us.... you post reminding us that the cops read this forum isnt a scare tactic to stop us (mainly myself) is it?

You should also know there are rules & regulations for a reason. The roads are public yes? Everyone uses them not just you.

Stop thinking about yourself for a minute and realise that the rules are protection you and the other people who are on the roads.

You want to express yourself with your driving. Get on the drag strip, track or skidpans. That's what they are there for.

I sure as hell don't want some other damn idiot smashing into my car because they think they are invincible.

Cops are there to enforce the rules. Sometimes they can take it a bit far, but we all can sometimes..

Respect!

[Redback]

^^^^^^^^^ i definatly agree.... and im sure that everyone that has been caught under the law deserved it some how.... but it doesnt mean i agree with it all.... it doesnt mean i break any of them either..... (do my best not to). im not thinking of myself as i dont see my self as a target... i just feel that the law is to broad and leaves a gap to effect those who may not deserve it.

[gdogzgtr]

Redback, you have every right to an opinion I only commented as a member of SAU and Vicpol I try to advocate that SAU members are car enthusiasts not hoons and I don't believe that comments like yours in relation to police help me with that.

I am not saying your a hoon at all but if police members read this and see numerous people bagging police do you think they will go lightly on SAU members if intercepted for something and have SAU stickers on your vehicle or fine, epa and nou for anything.

It's about trying to give SAU members a responsible reputation.

[D_I_F]

Graeme, Just to let you know there is a big difference with club members and forum members.

We shouldn't associate the forum members to the club at all which are what the stickers relate to.

[Redback]

ill remove some of my comment... (yes im stubbern)..... but if that few police target us bas on a few things they read on these forums i dont believe that it is serving the community well....

when are police going change the cycle of opinion on them selves...(only some people.... and most of that some people only think it not say it) we all get old one day... then our kids will be the targets and so on and so on...... no wonder some police are such angry payback type of police...... anyone. cheers for the good convo. ill get back to trucks....

Back on topic

Trucks doing burnouts..(~police are awsome~).. id like to see that. lol

[MattD]

but if police members read this and see numerous people bagging police do you think they will go lightly on SAU members if intercepted for something and have SAU stickers on your vehicle or fine, epa and nou for anything.

It's about trying to give SAU members a responsible reputation.

Well that is unprofessional.

There should be no going "lightly" on anyone. However, I'd only advocate that in a world where discretion is used and power not abused.

I am the first to defend Highway Patrol, when the 15 y.o wankers on these forums and many other like it use the old "they should be out catching theives and rapists", I'm the first to clarify this regarding how obviously TMU are there to do there job and CIU and whatever else also have their jobs and allocated members ra ra ra.

I have no respect for the uniform, but the man or woman behind it. It's unfortunate that in my experience, the man behind the badge has typically been a f**kwit.

Also, I'm automotive journalist by profession, so I know what to say, what to cop to and try and make it a pleasureable experience for both concerned.

However, I can see why you'd pick on some people who hide behind the "enthusiast" label.

Back on topic, The Truck, right?

It shits me how they leave the construction speed limits up at night, I have been through many, both in Melb and in Sydney during evening hours with out a soul working at all. It's plausible that this was the rationale the truck drivers thought and where just "speeding" at 15kmph over the limit and not hooning at 55kpmh over the limit.

Having said that, I obey them as much as it shits me, so they should too.

I nominate this for bi-polar post of the year!!

[D_I_F]

Matt D, Stop stalking me

[MattD]

Matt D, Stop stalking me

You just wanna be in one of my movies

[FATAZZ]

Cops are there to enforce the rules. Sometimes they can take it a bit far, but we all can sometimes..

Respect!

But we(most of us) aren't in positions that DECIDE people fates via their PERSONAL discretion on the matter.

Sorry,but i'm not willing to cop a X year jail sentence or whatever it may be for the fact that a Police officer

took the matter too far like we all may do.

[scathing]

It's poor attitude towards police like yours that make yourselves targets.

Does it not occur to you that the poor standing the police have among the populace (not just car enthusiasts), especially highway patrol, stems from their poor attitude towards motorists?

bagging police will only make SAU members appear to be anti police and be more of a target.

Hang on, I thought cops were just meant to uphold the law. Shouldn't the only thing that makes them a "target" be the consistent committing of crimes? Or has self expression, which I am aware isn't constitutionally protected in Autralia, actually become illegal?

Its this power trip "poor attitude" behaviour that generates most of the fuel that the negativity comes from. If you guys weren't cops and tried the "say bad things about me which are technically legal but I don't personally like, and I'll make your life difficult" schtick, you'd be called bullies and thugs. The last time I checked, there was no law permitting cops to hassle people who aren't breaking the law. There were laws against it.

I am not saying your a hoon at all but if police members read this and see numerous people bagging police

Is it any difference, in principle, to seeing all these police spokespeople bagging out young car enthusiasts on the TV and in the newspapers, or copping attitude from the police during "random" breath tests that required them to overtake a half a dozen cars in order to pull them over?

Especially when they're basing their prejudices on the behaviour of people in another country.

If the cops, as a whole, don't like being profiled based on a visible minority then maybe they should practice what they preach.

I don't have a problem with the police force as an institution, and I respect what they do for the community. But, like any organisation you'll get bad segments. Responsible car enthusiasts will join the public's chorus to denounce the actions of some idiots within the ranks. By the same token honest cops should have no issue with the calling out of cops that tarnish the Force's image by going against its ethos of upholding society's values via the law by, first and foremost, always complying with it.

Its a police favourite, when the issue of privacy and police powers for inspection comes up, to say "if you've got nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear from people looking". By the same logic, if you're not an arsehole cop then you've got no reason to take offense when people say some are because they're not talking about you.

[Redback]

here i was thinking im the only one... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ writen well!

[nizmonut]

ahh its all good, a off duty copper on his way home from the station got done 52 kms over the speed limit in his wrx while crossing the harbour bridge......he's on foot patrol for the next six months.

and i agree with scathing, in a momment of rare misjudgement on my part i was being pursued by a highway patrolman in his vz v8 holden commodore whilst driving/"hooning" my nissan along the desert road in the central north island of new zealand, knowing that cop had a shit shows chance of catching the rb30det i smiled and chopped into 3rd and not so gently watch the speedo climb to the stratosphere with said officer in pursuit, upon reaching gas station 45 kms distant he pulled in behind me and asked me on no uncertain terms what the f*ck was that, i replied entrapment at which he new instantly he had broken even the pursuit rules laid down by the new zealand police commision (said law was under no circumstanses are police to pursue vehcial once 180kph is breached), he couldnt do anything but give me a stern warning and followed me rather closley for the next 20 kms untill he turned back.

Edited June 27, 2008 by nizmonut

[scathing]

Leading a cop on a high speed chase is [insert a synonym for dumb that won't see my warning level rise further].

I hold that police should be held to a higher level of compliance to their legal responsibilities than regular folks, given their legal privileges. Police abuse of power, and the corruption that goes hand-in-hand with it, is one of the hallmarks of a society that's the opposite of Australian values. If someone can't, or won't, uphold the entirety of law consistently and without discrimination, they shouldn't be a police officer.

However, I know that cops are also humans and they experience frustration. So when they see some random dickhead acting like a toolbag and then bragging about doing wrong, its understandable (but not acceptable) that they get the shits and take it out on someone who might not be doing something wrong.

[Guest trikdoutvl]

U CAN TAKE OUR CARS..... BUT U CAN NEVA TAKE OUR FREEDOM AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

brave heart

[GTR-N1]

Redback I explained the exact wording above in relation to improper use and it's alot of work for police to impound vehicle so unless serious driving offeces as above list have occurred then vehicle would not be impounded. It's poor attitude towards police like yours that make yourselves targets.

Hi Graeme,

I've picked up on the word 'attitude' that you've used. Good word that! Better still if it's instilled from the heart.

What I'm getting at is this...

a) I noticed years ago on a trip to Japan with a fellow counsellor, and driving from prefecture to prefecture; that in the distance along straight stretches of road a cop car with a bubble on top.

After immediately slowing down, and getting closer, we realised that the cop car was just a 'mock-up' on a trailer.

b) And up here in the Sydney suburb of Burwood, the station has a resident 'Black Mazda RX8' with all the Police livery on it. It attracts quite a bit of attention

Now don't you think that if some of the SAU guys (if willing - from the bottom of their hearts) could park their cars at strategic spots around Melbourne and Sydney with Police livery all over them, would make an impact of slowing traffic down to designated speed limits? Just doing this one day every 3 months would help you coppers out would it not?

Now if that was embraced by Vicpol, the owners would have to insist of course that no coppers will be driving those SAU cars. Likewise, Vicpol could also insist that no owners will be driving their cars with Police livery on them either. What would happen is that a Police officer would accompany the SAU car in a Police car to the strategic site and then apply the livery. The owner of the SAU car would be driven back to his favourite 'coffee shop' etc etc.

Too much red tape?? Wheels of politics move very slowly I bet!

Cheers,

Terry

[mattymagoo22]

I think we all have to realise that police are only human, not robotic, and any prejudices or emotions they posess are of the individuals not the police force.

My car was impounded and the officer couldn't even produce a radar read out even though he claimed I was doing double the speed limit, still didn't stop him taking my car and costing me a fortune, not to mention the innconvinience of losing my car for three months in the middle of winter.

Wrong place, wrong time I guess.

[turbo_brian]

I think, unless cops are in this forum for business, they should split work and pleasure....

On another forum I am a part of, I interct with a ighway patrol officer all the time, and unless he is on duty, there is never a problem, he even went for a drive in my GTR, no issues, no problems, and no stress.

He pointed out 'issues' that would normally attract attention, I had them rectified, but there was never a hint that he was going to use anything against me.

I also dont have the best of history with the law in regards to driving (from 9 yrs ago, not recent) but this has also never been an issue, and I am taken on my merits, not my mistakes.

2 clows in trucks that where seen next to each other doing 40+ over the limit, they where probably impounded for 2 reasons, getting stupid cowboy truckers off the road for an extended period of time, and to make an example.

BTW, I have no issues with Police, both on and off duty, nor do I drive in a manner that would generally attract attention, but if someone (note: Police officer) gives me shit for no reason, I will return the favour.

I have also been told that the moment your pulled over, the Attitude test starts, I see this as unfair, why 'test someone' for their attitude when your about to cost them 2 days pay for their mistake.

B.

[Bumblebee]

Im on B's side

totally agree

[scathing]

On another forum I am a part of, I interct with a ighway patrol officer all the time, and unless he is on duty, there is never a problem, he even went for a drive in my GTR, no issues, no problems, and no stress.

I'm in a similar boat (not HWP, but a police officer) and certain behaviour gets described around him at social occasions that he doesn't go all moral crusader about.

I have also been told that the moment your pulled over, the Attitude test starts, I see this as unfair, why 'test someone' for their attitude when your about to cost them 2 days pay for their mistake.

I see it as unfair because having an attitude isn't illegal.

The only cops that go looking for any reason to bust someone have an "attitude" themselves, and so I don't see why a civilian should have to pass a test that the officer themselves clearly failed.

[R338OY]

I nominate this for bi-polar post of the year!!

You've got my vote

BTW this thread is so sentimental and altruistic it sickens me. Let's not dance around the issues with our political correctness switched on full-boost mode. Within the confines of the law/defamation guidelines and SAU custom say whatever the f**k you want.

Scatching's comment about self expression not being constitutionally covered is important guys. You can't rip heli's on public roads, but within reason you can fully express yourself here. Even if you're bi-polar.