Details On P-plate Laws

[Januss]

Hey guys!

Was wondering if any of u guys know about the details regarding legal mods for p-plate drivers under the new P1,P2 laws in Victoria. (non-cosmetics mods)

The new laws say that I cannot have any "performance mods".

Do these include upgrades on breakes, suspension and adding a strut brace?

What about small mods like changing the stock filter into a pod filter?

It also says that I cannot change the exhaust. Does this include the muffler?

It'll be great if i could get detailed information on this; if not, information on where can i find detailed information on the problem because I can't seem to find the email for vicroads or the police to ask these questions ><.

Thanks heaps! Help appreciated

[R34NRG]

if ur p1 (the red ones) theres no modifications that can be done that increase hp.

so yes suspension upgrades are fine among anything else that dosnt increase hp.

u cant change the muffler because it has the potential to increase hp. no pod, no ecu, no injectors, no exhaust modifications wat so ever.

if your on your green Ps then the 125kw/tonne high powered rule ratio stil applies. and u can mod the shit out of your car as long as its legal. (arguable)

everything else you need to no is here.

http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/node/196

in conclusion if your Green Ps, your f*ked

Red Ps, your really f*ked

stay away from modying until u hit ur fulls is the best bet. but if you think u can handle risking 1100 fines and 3 demerit points everytime u get pulled over, then good luck buddy.

ive been lucky enough, hopefully you are aswell.

when did you get your licence buddy?

this way we can tell u exactly what you can and wat you cant do

Edited June 26, 2008 by R34NRG

[Jezza-gtR]

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/NR/rdonlyre...8340/0/VSI8.pdf

Have a read, most things can be done in a legal way

[R34NRG]

that right there is gold.

id keep a copy of that in the car everywhere i go lol

[SKYL1N]

im a r3ed p plater now, changing to green in a week

as much as id love to mod the car to the shit and build it up

ive been pulled over and popped the bonnet that many times its not worth it

save it man

do your breaks/suspension etc.

then when your 20 save a bomb

and as soon as you 21st bday/p plates are over

go straight to a performance center and drop a bag of cash on the table

and you will appreciate the added power sooooo much more.

[R31Nismoid]

Muffler = part of the exhaust, therefore its modification to the exhaust, stands to reason that one.

Filter = again, performance mod? yes/no could be argued. There is no gain having a pod anyhow, stock airbox is fine

VSI 8 is not a good reference for current P-Platers as they are unable to modify cars to increase performance. So there is no legal way at all.

[Januss]

Shit, well i just got myself a '93 R33 and replaced the stock muffler cauz it was broken from the inside. Changed it to a cannon(cheap second hand one) cauz it would've cauzed me a bomb to import the original parts. Just miss the option of having before july 08 laws. So i have to go with the new p1 laws.

What should i do? pay a few hundred to replace my current exhaust with an original import part?

[Jezza-gtR]

VSI 8 is not a good reference for current P-Platers as they are unable to modify cars to increase performance. So there is no legal way at all.

That is a fair enough statement about performance, but I linked it to also show other areas of modification eg. brakes and suspension.

I've read the official road-worthy book which goes into specific details on that VSI 8. Very informative

[Curmi]

im a r3ed p plater now, changing to green in a week

as much as id love to mod the car to the shit and build it up

ive been pulled over and popped the bonnet that many times its not worth it

save it man

do your breaks/suspension etc.

then when your 20 save a bomb

and as soon as you 21st bday/p plates are over

go straight to a performance center and drop a bag of cash on the table

and you will appreciate the added power sooooo much more.

+1

listen to him and me dont mod your car at all the amount of fines and canaries and demirt points you get is crazy... iam on green plates end of month but i should be sweet but p1 your f*ked if you mod it good luck and stay stock

[Januss]

+1

listen to him and me dont mod your car at all the amount of fines and canaries and demirt points you get is crazy... iam on green plates end of month but i should be sweet but p1 your f*ked if you mod it good luck and stay stock

I guess u guys are right. It sucks that the P-Plates for the new laws last for a bloody 4 years tho.(1 red, 3 green). Thx for the advice , will probably do just that but still... what should I do with the non-stock muffler? problem....

Edited June 26, 2008 by Januss

[SKYL1N]

personally i recon a muffler you could get away with

the cop would really wanna be screwing you.'

the majority of cops wouldn't know anything about it but if 1 highway patrol car decides to check you :S

you could almost claim its just a cosmetic mod and that its not increasing any performance.

I have a super megaphone muffler on mine and its the only "mod" from experience the cops are more interested in whats under the bonnet and in the system of the driver.

[gadget1382]

The thing you can claim with the exhaust is that you had a rusted out muffler and needed it to be replaced so it didnt go over the 90dB limit. I wouldnt be too worried about it. With so many Skylines modified they probably wouldnt know what a factory exahust tip for them looked like.

[Januss]

The thing you can claim with the exhaust is that you had a rusted out muffler and needed it to be replaced so it didnt go over the 90dB limit. I wouldnt be too worried about it. With so many Skylines modified they probably wouldnt know what a factory exahust tip for them looked like.

Hahaha, so true. I havent really seen a skyline with stock exhaust tips in a long time. Anyway, thanks for the information guys; it was really helpful.

[Dicer]

if your on your green Ps then the 125kw/tonne high powered rule ratio stil applies. and u can mod the shit out of your car as long as its legal. (arguable)

Those that got their license between 1st July 2007 and 30th June 2008 will have green P's and are not bound by the 125kw/tonne rule but the newer 'no turbo unless it's a diesel etc' rules. Just an added way of making things so much easier to follow...

[josh_gts]

i thought it was a no turbo on your red p's and people (such as me) that got their license after july 1st 07 :S

i'm sure i read that somewhere.. those who got their license prior to july 1st 07 have the power to weight ratio

[R31Nismoid]

Its all on VicRoads website, self explanatory really

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Licens...werVehicles.htm

[Ronin 09]

good picture from the vicroads website.

foggy windscreen

P-plate in a (potentially) obscuring position.

good work vic roads

[SKYL1N]

Yet they don't mention the 3 cars on the left of the picture tailgating each other?

[R31Nismoid]

thats cause they are taxi's, its a special part of the exam that taxi drivers sit

[Jamezilla]

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