The Battle For Japanese Supercar Stardom Begins Anew

[SilverECR33]

"As much as things try to change, they remain the same"

I think IMO of course. that Again the GTR will prevail to be all round a better car. The Honda will be more agile but suffer being under powered yet again, and the supra will be a powerhouse but not as good at the twisties.

Looking forward to the mortal kombat!

Bets On!!

[R338OY]

well, this may be the last hurra for the super car race before they start the super battery race.

I agree, by 2015 how viable will petrol-powered sports cars be? They simply won't.

instant torque will make the cars of the future fun

Hmmm, instant torque...I have a vision *Electric GT-R sending all four tyres up in smoke with a gentle throttle push*

It won't be about linear 'revving the fikuk' outta the motor type performance, it'll be measured in how much power is needed at each wheel, with the batteries serving the precise amount of power needed every 1000th of a second, the only limit being how much torque the tyres can take before melting.

Omar - Theres more than heaps of oil still on this earth - that much has been proven so lets not jump on the "global crisis" bandwagon just yet.

Yeah you're right Adam, but the use of petrol for transport will decrease as oil prices rise and electric engines become more efficient and economical.

That's the time (around 2020 i reckon) when the GTR/NSX/LFA as we knew them in the 90's and 10's will be phased out through shifting mass economies.

*cries like a b!tch*

But on topic, the battle between Jap supercars will only get more heated. New technologies will be pioneered in Japan, that's gauranteed. I'm just waiting for a flying GT-R.

Edited July 3, 2008 by R338OY

[scathing]

Okay so my mistake. But it is still a POS!!

You drive an R33 GTS-t, Mr Pot.

If it qualifies as a production model - even though only 20 of them are made, then IT IS STOCK. Stock is what comes out of the factory. Stock cars have warranty.

By your logic, then the NSX-R, the Porsche GT3 RS, the Lambo Supperleggera, Ferrari Scuderia, R35 V-spec etc... are not stock as well because they were modified at the factory?

Nismo bought used cars that Nissan had already sold to the public, and then did them up. The fact that Nismo offers a warranty is irrelevant to whether its "production" or not. Its also arguable if 20 vehicles counts as a production run.

The other cars you named were not "modified" at the factory. They were constructed at the factory, brand new, in that configuration. The Z-Tune, being a refurbished used car, is nothing like the vehicles you've named.

[siksII]

No, I'm afraid that you are the one who's failed. Wheels magazine tested a R34 N1 against a Holden Monaro a few years ago and it made more power on the dyno than it does on paper. The GTR's quarter mile was as fast as a 966 turbo - 12.6sec, and weighs about the same.

Maybe not 420hp I reckon more like 380 or so.. in the test it ran a 12.7 @ 178km/h, and produced 214awkw in 4th gear.

[Kaido_RR]

No, I'm afraid that you are the one who's failed. Wheels magazine tested a R34 N1 against a Holden Monaro a few years ago and it made more power on the dyno than it does on paper. The GTR's quarter mile was as fast as a 966 turbo - 12.6sec, and weighs about the same. So together with the power it made on the dyno at the wheels, they worked out that it had around 420hp - the same as the 996 turbo.

Okay so my mistake. But it is still a POS!!

If it qualifies as a production model - even though only 20 of them are made, then IT IS STOCK. Stock is what comes out of the factory. Stock cars have warranty. The Z-tune has warranty. Once you modified a car out of factory specs, then it aint stock anymore and you don't have warranty anymore also.

By your logic, then the NSX-R, the Porsche GT3 RS, the Lambo Supperleggera, Ferrari Scuderia, R35 V-spec etc... are not stock as well because they were modified at the factory?

Remember that the initial poster compared the stock R34 GTR to the NSX-R. By your logic, the two cannot be compared because the NSX-R is not stock.

Nissan figures for the N1 R34 GTR are the same as the normal gtr 280hp or kw or watever it is. i really don't care what wheels magazine did.

nissan did not modified the r34 ztune it is a NISMO built/badge vehicle. and your comment out the nsx-r, gt3 rs etc are also a fail because the ztune where produced in 2006 or 2007. and the R34 GTR had stop production in 2000. so if i remember nismo bought back a 20 r34 gtr and built them up to z-tune specs. so its very different to say a nsx-r or any other of the cars u mention.

also you fail if you think the s2000 is a pos...

open your mind ... GTR isn't the be all and end all of cars

Edited July 3, 2008 by [Michael]

[scathing]

Nissan figures for the N1 R34 GTR are the same as the normal gtr 280hp or kw or watever it is. i really don't care what wheels magazine did.

Yeah, but they lie about it.

[skyline_man]

Nissan figures for the N1 R34 GTR are the same as the normal gtr 280hp or kw or watever it is. i really don't care what wheels magazine did.

If you know anything about GTR's at all, then you should know that the claimed "280hp" is BS. From the R32 to the R34, GTR's made over 300hp - around 340hp for the R34 to be precise.

nissan did not modified the r34 ztune it is a NISMO built/badge vehicle. and your comment out the nsx-r, gt3 rs etc are also a fail because the ztune where produced in 2006 or 2007. and the R34 GTR had stop production in 2000. so if i remember nismo bought back a 20 r34 gtr and built them up to z-tune specs. so its very different to say a nsx-r or any other of the cars u mention.

So what if the Z-tune was made in 2006, and R34 GTR's stopped production in 2002 (not 2000!!), whats that got to do with it being stock? I don't get your argument here. Wouldn't want you to be my defense lawyer if i am on trial for the death sentence!!

Nismo bought used cars that Nissan had already sold to the public, and then did them up. The fact that Nismo offers a warranty is irrelevant to whether its "production" or not. Its also arguable if 20 vehicles counts as a production run.

The Z-tune qualifies as a production vehicle. In fact IT IS a production vehicle. A company has to make at least 15 cars ( from memory) in order for it to be classified as a production vehicle. When the Z-tune first came out, Nissan claimed it as being "the fastest production car in the quarter mile" It did it in the low 10s.

Anyway, my point to the guy who claimed that the NSX-R is faster than a R34 GTR is that he is wrong. If he compared apples with apples ie, NSX-R vs N1 GTR then im sure the NSX-R aint faster in the quarter.

You drive an R33 GTS-t, Mr Pot.

What's that got to do with my opinion? And you drive a what....V35? Besides, at least im smart enough to spend 20 grand on a 33 GTST, rather then blow 60 odd grand on a POS poser S2000!!

Finally last i recall, this is a Nissan forum isn't it? Judging from the majority of replies, it seems like i've stumbled onto some fan boy's try hard Honduhhh forum....

Edited July 3, 2008 by skyline_man

[m3gtr]

How is this me being wrong?

"Anyway, my point to the guy who claimed that the NSX-R is faster than a R34 GTR is that he is wrong."

The NSX type S trounced the R33 Vspec in this one...

And then the R34 in this one

Both completely stock.

Wheres the argument here?

[Kaido_RR]

skyline_man; you miss the point the Z-tune is a NISMO built/badge vehicle not Nissan

[skyline_man]

^^ Do you know how to read? the comparison is between the R34 GTR N1 vs NSX-R - not the R33 GTR or normal R34 GTR!! You show me a video of the N1 getting beaten by the NSX-R or S or W or Z or whatever that comes out from the Honda factory and i'll admit that the NSX is faster than a R34 GTR.

skyline_man; you miss the point the Z-tune is a NISMO built/badge vehicle not Nissan

Yeah, but it is still a production car. But never mind the Z tune. My point is that no NSX can beat the N1 in the quarter. Don't tell me that the N1 is a Nismo tune as well!!

Edited July 4, 2008 by skyline_man

[madbung]

Ding ding ding..

[DRD-00F]

Skyline man: Re the Z tune: The entire car is essentially handmade, with the car being completely stripped and re-built from the chassis up.

production car

pro·duc·tion car (plural pro·duc·tion cars)

noun Definition: car manufactured on production line: a car of a type manufactured in large numbers on a production line for general use

Stripping a car and modifying it, isn't production.

[m3gtr]

Ding ding ding..

How those ring side seats treating you, Bung?

[madbung]

Very nice thx...you've looked after me well

[DRD-00F]

I'm there too, but I'm just yelling non-sensical banter

Continue on gents.

[madbung]

Just keep working the body slugger....

He's tiring...feet are barely moving, move to the head in the later rounds.

thata way!

[m3gtr]

7:54 - Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 [citation needed]

7:55 - Caterham R500 Superlight, 233 PS/460 kg, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)

7:55 - Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06)

7:56 - Porsche 996 Turbo (sport auto 06/00)

7:56 - Honda NSX-R, 280 PS/1270 kg, Incomplete lap, Motoharu Kurosawa, (best MOTOring 08/02)

Can anyone shed any light on the official time for the NSX as it was an incomplete lap?

And does anyone know the spec of the R34 in this list?

[Bumblebee]

4.7 not bad.. bit slower than the stock r32 gtr time of 4.7 0-62mph.. nice work.. but the ring time... much much better than the r32.. like 20secs faster lol

R34 specs are as follows

Just as it did when it left the factory, the 24-valve DOHC 2,568cc inline-6 develops 276 horsepower at 7,000 rpm and 289 pound-feet of torque at 4,400 rpm. It gets the R34 to 60 mph in 4.7 seconds, and the car runs out of speed at 168 mph

thats just for the stock r34...

so NSXR > R34 GTR

But N1 > NSXR and GTR R34 > NSX

and the R34 u just listed was stock but with the speed limiter removed.. it was the fastest production car around the ring.. including the NSXR

Edited July 4, 2008 by Bumblebee

[m3gtr]

I know the R was probably the most hardcore NSX out there besides the limited R GT and it gets to 100 damn quick.

NSX-R SPEC SHEET

Engine C32B V6

Position Mid Longitudinal

Aspiration Natural

Valvetrain Belt-Driven DOHC, 4 Valves per Cyl w/VVT

Fuel feed Electronic Fuel Injection

Displacement 3179 cc / 194.0 cu in

Bore 93 mm / 3.66 in

Stroke 78 mm / 3.07 in

Compression 10.2:1

Power 206 kw / 276.2 bhp @ 7300 rpm

Specific output 86.88 bhp per litre

Bhp/weight 217.48 bhp per tonne

Torque 304 nm / 224.2 ft lbs @ 5300 rpm

Redline 8000

Body / frame Aluminum Monocoque w/Carbon Fiber Hood

Driven wheels RWD w/LSD

Front tires 215/40R17 Bridgestone Potenza R070

Rear tires 215/40R17 Bridgestone Potenza R070

Front brakes Vented Discs w/Specially Developed ABS

Rear brakes Vented Discs w/Specially Developed ABS

Steering Rack & Pinion

Suspension DoubleWishbones w/torion Bars,

Weight 1270 kg / 2800 lbs

Wheelbase 2530 mm / 99.6 in

Front track 1510 mm / 59.4 in

Rear track 1540 mm / 60.6 in

Length 4430 mm / 174.4 in

Width 1810 mm / 71.3 in

Height 1160 mm / 45.7 in

Transmission 6-Speed Manual

Gear ratios 3.066:1, 1.956:1, 1.428:1, 1.125:1, 0.914:1, 0.717:1, :1

Final drive 4.235:1

Top speed 280 kph / 174.0 mph

0 - 60 mph 4.7 seconds

0 - 100 mph 11.6 seconds

Nurburgring time : 7:56 mins

I cannot for the life of me see a blueprinted GTR - which is essentially what the N1 is ( well...okay with a few more things than just that ) getting there faster and not only that but the NSX has always been lighter so how skyline man thinks a factory GTR is faster in a straight line, is a mystery to me

[R338OY]

You're all wrong. Gtst's can beat anything in the quarter just with 3-in zorst.

NSX and N1's are teh suck!