The Battle For Japanese Supercar Stardom Begins Anew

[scathing]

  skyline_man said:

The Z-tune qualifies as a production vehicle. In fact IT IS a production vehicle. A company has to make at least 15 cars ( from memory) in order for it to be classified as a production vehicle. When the Z-tune first came out, Nissan claimed it as being "the fastest production car in the quarter mile" It did it in the low 10s.

Nissan "claimed", but they either lied or they were wrong. The Bugatti Veyron came out in 2005, a year before the Z-Tune, and runs a 9.8s quarter mile.

Its a second hand car that Nismo modified. How can anyone call that Nismo's "production car"?

  skyline_man said:

What's that got to do with my opinion? And you drive a what....V35? Besides, at least im smart enough to spend 20 grand on a 33 GTST, rather then blow 60 odd grand on a POS poser S2000!!

What its "got to do with your opinion" is show people what your opinion is worth. And anyone who buys a 2WD Skyline has no place calling anyone else a "poser".

  skyline_man said:

Finally last i recall, this is a Nissan forum isn't it? Judging from the majority of replies, it seems like i've stumbled onto some fan boy's try hard Honduhhh forum....

No, this is a forum with people who own or like Skylines, but who also have level enough heads to see things as they are. Most of the guys here aren't blinded by their own zealotry towards certain brands.

If you want to talk Civics, Integras, Preludes Accords then I doubt you'll see much love for them here since they aren't all that impressive, but the NSX and S2000 are proper sports cars.

[DRD-00F]

Agreed on that last note... I love everything about skylines... but I'm not a fanboy, I can see the positives in any car... I just happen to know the positives of a skyline inside out...

Don't get us wrong, we LOVE skylines, that's why we own them or talk about them, but we're also fair enough to see the hardwork put into other cars...

[m3gtr]

You know, i think weve stumbled onto something.

This forum is called "Skylines Australia" but its so plainly obvious that most who post here harbour no brand allegiance...except for posters like the aptly named "skyline man" - no surprises where the heart is on that one and im not complaining. The site is named after people such as that person.

Honest.

I have a Subaru. Its a Forester.

Bored already?

Yeah maybe, i know i sometimes am. The thing that keeps me from boredom is that, there are only 6 in Oz that i and others know of...because its the Sti version and in stock form does 5 second 0-100 kph times,12 odd second 0-400metre times - out of the box and that makes it something a little special... for an SUV.

Should i make a song and a dance about its greatness? Is it great? Dunno, but It's alright for what it was intended to be!

It is what it is and so is every other car. We make fun of the stuff that money was wasted on and enjoy, discuss, debate and argue the things that were are and will always be great.

Now, about this NSX. Have you ever driven a type R? I have. You would only have had the chance here in Japan as luck would have it. What about the R34 GTR? done that too. And the new GTR? Yep and it was unspeakable.

Unfortunately, ive never driven a Supra or even been in one...

If i was to look at those 3 cars, the NSX was raw, definitely the most involving and symbiotic to the driver - i was fused to it, the R34 was taking anabolic steroids in a controlled environment and the R35?

Well, It was impossible to understand. Completely stupefying.

The NSX though, made me feel most in touch with what i was doing, i felt more in tune with the car - more a part of it and if i look at it that way, lap times, quarter mile times, 0-100 times dont mean a damned thing and render arguments useless because of one simple fact:

It was just better - from a drivers perspective and from that perspective, involvement and feeling are everything.

Stock for stock, the N1 may indeed shade the NSX in a race but i know which driver would be enjoying it more.

With any R34 as opposed to any NSX you have always gotten the feeling you have to wrestle with the R34 to get it to do what you want it to, no matter the grade, year or spec. The GTR has always been designed to be man handled. Obviously, height, wheel base and kerb weight have a lot to do with it but why use that as an argument to take away from one of the NSX's many strengths?

With the NSX, it complements you and compels you to find the finer points of what it has to offer - its that well balanced - and if youre skilled enough, itll reward you because of your input. The higher the level of your input, the more you are rewarded - at least thats how i felt after comparing the two. I know... driving cars does strange things to a guy... weird.

It all comes back to this:

Honda will surprise everyone in the coming years with the new gen/

Shame it will be out of this world expensive - somethings gotta pay for the F1 program somehow afterall!

[madbung]

Round 6

Some fuel to the fire...I recall on the nsx's release it being labelled by motoring pundits of the day as "an engineering masterpiece"

and "Japans first serious entry to the supercar game "...still rings true imho.

I love you guys

Edited July 5, 2008 by madbung

[Bumblebee]

ive driven all those cars listed cept the new gtr

nsx is the drivers car no doubt even if its slower than the n1

supras r titanics

[m3gtr]

  madbung said:

Round 6

Some fuel to the fire...I recall on the nsx's release it being labelled by motoring pundits of the day as "an engineering masterpiece"

and "Japans first serious entry to the supercar game "...still rings true imho.

I love you guys

I luvs youz guyz!

But i love those ring chicks betterz

[madbung]

^^^ round 8 girl is a honey...

So get swinging punchy

[gts-4 dreamer]

how much did an N1 weigh again?

[tribex]

i too am so exited the days of jap high power cars begins anew!!!!!

that nsx is undoubtably going to be a huge contender i bet my ass of their will be a plethra aftermarket of twin turbo kits made for them then thell really kick ass.....

[m3gtr]

  gts-4 dreamer said:

how much did an N1 weigh again?

Its hard to find any hard figures on that car they were so rare... Most of them were thrashed in super taikyu.

Japanese sites would be the way to go...

[dangerous_daveo]

Would appear the real battle is on SAU!

Either way, my money is on the Toyota, they haven't had a proper sports car of any description in ages. Their involvement in F1 would make me feel there is a customer base there they want to target. I would assume there would be a toyota version, and a lexus version. Might try a simliar set up to ferrari and mazarati, or Aston and Jag. Toyota will be the fast one, the Lexus will be the nice comfy one, thats a tad slower. I dont know tho, Im not Toyotas marketing manager. But I feel they would be keener to win, and they DEFINATELY have the most money.

I think Nissan might have done a Sega to be honest.

[scathing]

  dangerous_daveo said:

Either way, my money is on the Toyota, they haven't had a proper sports car of any description in ages. Their involvement in F1 would make me feel there is a customer base there they want to target.

Toyota's considering pulling out of F1 anyway, given the fact that they're doing badly for the amount of money they're pouring into the program....and how the lack of results hasn't affected their bottom line.

[m3gtr]

Ill need proof of that thanks.

[limpus]

Hmmm...nissan/toyota/honda...who will come out tops...

Hope it ends up the same way as in my signature...

[simpletool]

Yeah the NSX still looks good and it's a great car BUT Honda have always made cars that are fast enough to keep up, not ever being really fast, NSX holds true to this.

But hopefully the next NSX will be FAST, all they have to do is give it a 5.5L V10 and some V-TEC yo!

Give it 10 cylinders off the 2.2L S2000 engine! Should make 430kw and 570Nm and it would sound mean.

Meanwhile where is Mazda with a twin turbo 20B-REW for a new RX-7 ?? (Imagine a light-weight RX7 with 340kw)

Edited July 18, 2008 by simpletool