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As long as you get a receipt, the service station is liable to fix any damage to your engine as long as a mechanic details how the damage was caused by bad fuel (NRMA or RACQ or similar is best as their diagnosis carries more weight)

Its no wonder service stations rarely (in my experience anyway) give you a receipt without you asking for it.Everywhere else gives you a receipt for refunds, proof of purchase etc, servos are the only place that dont automatically give you one, and often dont even ask if you do want one.Maybe for this reason.

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newsagents don't automatically give reciepts either. some will, but 90% of them won't. most fast food places won't either. it just comes down to the industry. i'm actually thinking about ticking the option in my computer system to only print reciepts if the customer asks for one for the simple fact that over half the people would either say they don't want it when i hand it to them or just take it then leave it on the counter and walk out. and with the amount of sales that servos, etc do, they would go through a hell of a lot of paper if they printed a receipt out for every customer, which would then mean higher prices.

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newsagents don't automatically give reciepts either. some will, but 90% of them won't. most fast food places won't either. it just comes down to the industry. i'm actually thinking about ticking the option in my computer system to only print reciepts if the customer asks for one for the simple fact that over half the people would either say they don't want it when i hand it to them or just take it then leave it on the counter and walk out. and with the amount of sales that servos, etc do, they would go through a hell of a lot of paper if they printed a receipt out for every customer, which would then mean higher prices.

You would think they would love another excuse to increase prices at the pump along with long weekends,holiday season,time of day etc

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those prices are set by the fuel company, not so much by the actual servo. and considering that they only make a few cents a litre, you can't really blame them putting prices up at peak times. the government makes more out of fuel than the servos do (fuel excise is about 38 cents, plus the GST, so if fuel is $1.30, about 50c of that goes to the government). people pay a few dollars for a bottle of water which they could get out of the tap for free, but complain when servos makes an extra 2 or 3 cents profit per litre on fuel. at the end of the day, it's only a dollar or 2 extra that they make on the higher days anyway. some people will use more fuel driving to the cheaper servo that what they are saving by going there. people could save more money buy altering their grocery shopping habbits than what they would pay extra in fuel at peak times.

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My family owns a servo which I work in and I can tell you for a fact we make 3c/L AT MOST. It's generally 1.5c/L which is barely worth it. We have some pull when it comes to how long we stay cheap for but that's it. We cant dictate how high the prices go, it comes down to what the other 2 close servo's go to.

We stay cheap up to 48 hours longer than the Mobil and BP in the area. Normally they'll lift their prices Wednesday morning, we'll stay cheap until Thursday 6pm. Only because we're nice guys.

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Its great to see servos stay low when nearby ones are much higher, a few months ago while on the NSW central coast i passed a bp with unleaded for i think about $1.35 then passed another 2 within 5 minutes a,shell and mobil,selling for 12c more per litre. Im aware its the governmnet not the servo owners that increase the prices,i really think their convinced we wont notice a 10-20c price hike every holiday or 3 day weekend.Im sure noone forgets a few years back when, for a few months, premium in some parts of NSW (central coast,some of sydney that i visited) was $2.05 per litre most days of the week.

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LOL well it is practically a 2 stroke :sick:

Oh god don't go there again! lol

On the topic of fuel price though... There are 2 BP's that are both pretty close by to me and only about 7km apart or there abouts.

One of them is always cheaper than the other, and it's not usually only 2c in it. For the entire week one has been at 115.9 while the other sits at 129.9! I really don't get why when they are both BP's and are so close together. If it was only a day or something fair enough, buts its been 5 days now and counting.

So I actually got ultimate for the same price the dear place was selling regular unleaded.

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If that was the case..... the cheaper one would def have the higher costs as it is in a much better position, more staff.... I just cant see anyone justifying a week long 15c difference for the SAME fuel...

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yeah but maybe they bought the business outright and the other place had to borrow heavily to do it. maybe the landlord of the cheaper place doesn't charge as much, or they own the building as well. i know that in my business i pay over $2500 a month in rent (for a pretty small shop) and just over $1600 a month in loan repayments. so that is over $4000 a month PROFIT i have to make just pay those 2 things without running at a loss, which in my industry works out to be about $13500 worth of sales.

also i was looking at buying a carwash a few years back. the rent on the place was over $15,000 a month. electricity was another few thousand, as was water, etc. so despite the fact that it turned over decent money every month, on some of the slower months it would go backwards by 3-4k.

also there was a servo in town that was for sale for a while. it was the most expensive servo in town because it was a full service servo and it also did mechancial repairs, so someone came out and filled up your car for you. i turned over over $1 million a year, but the profit from that was pretty small. if you had to borrow the full amount to buy the business you wouldn't be making any money.

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Its a good way for servos to 'compete' against eachother to make more money for the company, if one bp is 15c diffrent for a week, probably a vast majority of people will go straight to the cheap bp before any other servos, maybe they think its accidentaly too low or something and take advantage of it. Also that gets people talking about that servo and its price so its like free advertising, people talk about the price difference and when they need fuel afterwards they can remember the price and what servo it was and they go there.

Maybe haha

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Why put 2 stroke oil in your fuel???? The retail price is now pretty much set by Coles and Woolies since Shell and Caltex sold most of their stations. All fuel from the name brands has an octane rating +/- .5 RON. that is govt mandated. Shell in Sydney shut down their refinery at Clyde after spending more than 100million on repairs then broke it on start up. They promised govts they could import all the fuel. Mainly source from SE Asia and India. They had to start up again as they couldn't import enough. I am surprised people are using less than 95/98 RON fuel in their car. Since the E10 was introduced the sales of our 95 RON has jumped 50%. Bad quality fuel is 99% time a problem at the servo. Before a tank is released from the refinery it is tested for RON, DVPE and other quality checks

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Why put 2 stroke oil in your fuel???? The retail price is now pretty much set by Coles and Woolies since Shell and Caltex sold most of their stations. All fuel from the name brands has an octane rating +/- .5 RON. that is govt mandated. Shell in Sydney shut down their refinery at Clyde after spending more than 100million on repairs then broke it on start up. They promised govts they could import all the fuel. Mainly source from SE Asia and India. They had to start up again as they couldn't import enough. I am surprised people are using less than 95/98 RON fuel in their car. Since the E10 was introduced the sales of our 95 RON has jumped 50%. Bad quality fuel is 99% time a problem at the servo. Before a tank is released from the refinery it is tested for RON, DVPE and other quality checks

why? not everyone can afford to constantly put the more expensive stuff in their car, especially when the price difference can be up to about 20%, and you aren't going to get 20% better fuel economy.

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