Tarmac Rallying Perpetual Thread

[Roy]

Dan..your guys are the Kings of getting it going again. I cant remember the dramas you had at Lakes Entrance, btu i remember the damage meant pulling this, welding that and off you went

[Snowman]

Yeah but we'll be doing our best to avoid all of that stuff. The car is just currently getting freshly painted afterall!

[t01-100]

i remember how shiny the freshly painted front bumper of my gtr looked at rally burnie... just before before it was reshaped by dirt bank at savage river!

strangely ironic really that the only part of the car i had resprayed in the weeks prior was the only bit damaged!... and that all the gtrs in the event went 4wding within 400m of each other!

Edited November 21, 2008 by t01-100

[Snowman]

Heard on the grapevine that Rally Burnie / Tasmanian Tarmac Challenge is officially gone from the calander. Anyone confirm its truth?

If so its a big blow for CAMS and Tarmac Rallies.

And it looks like Suncoast, Rally Tas, Classic Adelaide and Targa West are joining up to make a "Classic Championship". What are peoples thoughts on this? It is a good thing or is it going to turn it into an even bigger Them v Us so instead of just CAMS v AASA its going to be Classic V Modern as well?

[navdan]

Dan..your guys are the Kings of getting it going again. I cant remember the dramas you had at Lakes Entrance, btu i remember the damage meant pulling this, welding that and off you went

That was the Alpine last year Bris I was helping out on service that weekend. Grabbing 5th Gear instead of 3rd put Rosco and Jen into a dirt bank, and as you saw, a bit of grinding, oxy, welding and slide hammers later the old faithful was ready to go again. If you can get back out there safely, why not have a go at getting it fixed. Anyone can give up and put it on the trailer, only the best give it everything and get back out there

[sav man]

Heard on the grapevine that Rally Burnie / Tasmanian Tarmac Challenge is officially gone from the calander. Anyone confirm its truth?

wouldn't surprise me, wasn't a big field this year. People were talking about it being the last rally Burnie down here when it was on.

[Marlin]

Well, TTC isn't on the draft ARC calender in the latest CAMS magazine like I expected it to be........ gone!

Those events were always going to find it increasingly difficult if they didn't make the switch to AASA, which of course their alignment with the ARC precludes.

Maybe we'll see them re-born as AASA events soon?

[sav man]

Rally Tas is hosting the ARC cars next year though.

[Snowman]

Just a quick heads up for all the people out there following "Z Secret" plans. I got my approval to run in the mail yesterday (Thanks guys!) - BUT I am going to have to run under S1 regs rather than S2. And honestly I think that's fair enough. But I'm guessing if someone wanted to do the 400R path they will be in the same boat (food for thought for anyone else thinking about either of these paths).

The one thing I am super glad about though since getting this information is that on a whim I decided to do the cage and keep all of my trim in the car (despite the adivce to do otherwise). I'd have been in a whole lot of buggered if I'd had to fix that one. As it is there are a couple of little things I will have to change (as I had been working towards S2 regs in some area's) but the big S1 differences such as weight were never going to be an issue for me anyways. Just means I'll definitely be leaving the DVD player in the car now (offical weight of Z Secret is 1600kgs which is still a whole lot less than Russ' barge).

62 days to go

[sav man]

so i was right

you building it up to 2.8l? and using the ihi turbos?

[Snowman]

I'm hoping other than the obvious external colour difference you won't be able to tell the difference between mine and the real thing. I'm even having someone make me the badges since Nissan / Nismo won't sell me one! Although the Z2 engine spark plug cover plate is being a little more tricky but I haven't given up hope on getting that sorted as well. Infact we came up with a plan today on how we might make it so we'll give it a shot at least and see how it looks.

But the build is not that hard to do since it's really just a GT-R with the entire Nismo catalogue thrown at it (plus the ihi/apexi turbs). And given the car already had most of the Nimso catalogue (cooler, diffs, injectors, afms, control arms, fuel pump etc) it's been real easy for me. The bits I didn't have have been easy enough to get although the only sticking point I've had with the change of what I was expecting of S2 regs to S1 is the Nismo cooler hard pipe kit (I just had silicone pipes which is fine under S2, but the Z Tune runs the Nismo hard-pipe kit which I'll need for S1 I believe).

The Nismo 2.8L is the same as the Tomei one (so no where near as flash as the HKS kit) - but in this application it should do the job well. I Just won't be revving out to 10,000rpm or anything silly.

But 2009 will see me with the car turned right down as I learn what this is all about but long term if the wick is turned up it should be quite competative. But given its capacity and year (corrected to 4700cc and 2005) it puts it in the exact same class as the R35, 997 GT2 and Lambo SLG's so it would need to be.

[sav man]

I was wondering why your car was in Late Modern, that explains all.

I'd like to know if the 400r has bigger injectors and afm's. Cause unless they are, your better off with a N1 (lighter). We are building up a 2nd R33 GT-R, so the 400r route could be worth investicating

[Snowman]

As far as I know the 400R has everything the Z Tune does (including the 2.8L) except for the bigger blowers. But 2.8L with N1's would be psycho responsive! And it does have 18 x 10" rims amoungst other things.

And my car shouldn't be in late modern - it should be in Rookie! But anyways....

[sav man]

we can run 18x10 under the option rules. but it makes the car over geared (unless you put a 4.3:1 diffs in). But I might sudjest the 400r option too dad.

[Marlin]

What of your diff and gearbox alterations Snowy? Did you get those passed? (I'm assuming you're still running the 5 speed? I've lost track to be honest)

[Snowman]

Na I kept all my old stuff. The main reason fo the 5 speed was the better 1st gear in the Dutton motokhana stuff. For Targa I think the 6 speed will actually be better so I'm just putting that back in. It's no big deal since I have to put the new motor in anyways. The new motor is a complete new motor rather than upgraing the old one (starting from a new N1 block) so I will just keep the old motor / gearbox together as a Dutton special and have the new motor / getrag as my rally set-up.

Oh - interestingly for Ben to consider is that the 400R actually runs the 6 Speed Getrag as well.

[Marlin]

Ahhhh very cool, very cool

That is an interesting point, do we know what diff ratio a 400R was equiped with? And does a Z-tune run 3.55 or another ratio Snowy?

[Snowman]

All I'll say is that these guys really did take what was learnt not only by them in their 2 previous incarnations of the Z Tune (they existed in a different guise at the 2003 and 2004 Nurburgring 24hr race) but also what other tuners / racers had learnt over the previous 6 years the car had existed.

[sav man]

from what i've read the 400r still has the 5 speed. But with a nismo twinplate. finding detailed info on the 400r isn't that easy. But i did find that you can get 400r crate engines http://www.reimax.com/pages/products/engine-assy/02.html

[Snowman]

Ah you might be right. I read it had the 6 speed somewhere on the innernet - should have known to take what you read with a grain of salt.