Tarmac Rallying Perpetual Thread

[Snowman]

Caught up with YT this morning to pick up some old bits he had left over from the R34 days and he says the Super Alphabet is going to be ok abeit with a weight penalty which I thought was interesting.

Also seems the Skelta's will get a weight penalty too and have to lose the S/C.

[t01-100]

Dunc - 400R, ATTKD and Z Tune are all still eligible.

[haw001]

Stuart, thanks for clarifying.

Could you also please clarify the rules on gearboxes. Specifically, I'd like to know what you a free to change and what is not. Can we change gear sets provided the same casing, shifting pattern, and number of gears is maintained? Can helical gears be swapped to straight cut, and do the ratios have to remain the same? Failing that, can the lower gear ratios be changed if the the final drive (ie toptop gear) remains the same.

Specifically, I am interested in early modern skyline (LMS I think), and there is no mention of gearboxes until MS. My understanding from previous years was that there was some limited freedoms with respect to gear sets.

[PHaT MR30]

As far as I can read Mark the following ONLY apply to MS cars

M19. Gearbox / Transmission / Final Drive

a) The clutch is free.

b) Flywheel is free.

c) The casings and housings must be the same as originally fitted to the vehicle.

d) The number of forward gears must be standard; otherwise the internal components are free.

e) The gear change mechanisms must be as originally specified for the vehicle, other than that shortened or ‘quick’ shifters which do not result in

modification to the casings or housings are permitted. Sequential shift mechanisms are not permitted.

f) The internal components of the differential, axles and drive shafts, are free.

g) Live rear axle equipped vehicles may be modified to incorporate floating rear hubs.

So for LMS the above must remain as per factory specification

[sav man]

As far as I understand it, LMS can only change the clutch, gearbox, and gearset have to be std

[Snowman]

Gearbox DEFINTELY does

[haw001]

That's how I read it too, but from how I read the rules, Z tune and ATTKD and possible 400R are out, but according to Stuart are not, so I just don't know what to go by. I'm not arguing the rules, it's just better to get official clarification from Stuart.

Even if gearboxes are factory, what is the ruling on OEM parts? Can I put a gear set with exactly the same ratios and format (keep them helical not straight), ie only cheaper and/or stronger, or do I have to use genuine Nissan parts?

I think the new rules are great, but I'm not sure I understand the exclusions.

[haw001]

If you read it to the letter, then this also applies to the clutch, which means the skylines would be back to the factory clutch plates which are organic and wear very quickly. Doubt they would even last the whole event.

Under the old rules, as long as it was the same function, ie single plate, you could change for an aftermarket clutch plate, so at least something that would last. Gives no advantage in performance, but at least would last.

Again, I think we need some confirmation here before I start ripping the car apart.

If it is a case of having to be all factory original parts, then we are worse off than before, with the 400R having all sorts of parts advantages, and we go backwards on basic durability parts.

[Snowman]

My understanding on the clutch Mark is you can run any of the Nismo ones...

[haw001]

I certainly hope so, but the rules don't say anything about using stuff from the Nismo catalogue... It's more confusing now than ever, and not a lot of time before the event.

[Targa Tom]

Yes, Steve Glenney is one of the instructors, spoke to Mick who is running the show and it sounds good. I think I'll be doing it. Here is link for outline of the day

http://www.rexnet.com.au/forum/index.php?/...a-training-day/

Brendan Reeves is also involved... One thing from these tutorials is the nav stuff. Having a calm nav because they understand what is required can be worth about 1/2sec/km I reckon

Just doing a wooster and dropping in to the other side for a quick peek. Seems the fallout from the showroom change is more a 4wd thing. Guess the no cat rule last year wasnt quite enough to get the 2wd's to the front. I am glad we had a run in the good old days.

TT

[Marlin]

Haha will the fence jokes ever stop!?!?!? haha

[Kel]

Haha will the fence jokes ever stop!?!?!? haha

No chance Ben- it's way too much fun

Speaking of fun- I won't be having any unless I can sort out a new seat.

Yep Handley & Handley looks to be no go for THC.

Anyone know of anyone looking for a nav?

[Marlin]

Why? What's happened?

I tell ya what, I'd love to do it, but cash here no Chop.

[Snowman]

Aren't you lapping it up on the high seas with Russ anyways Woo?

[Marlin]

Yeah, but am back the prior weekend...... Don't fret, if i had a Sugar Mommer I'd be down there to kick your arses!

[Kel]

Mr Handley thinks some fancy smancy work trip takes priority over racing

[2pee]

Can't remember who was up on the embankment on the Silverdome this year furiously applying rain-x or trying anything and everything to prevent the screen fogging on day one. Del over on the ip forum tells me he might possibly be able to assist if you want to outlay a few sheckels and avoid the 12v dryers and not so magic potions, never know, might even get snow in November too!

[haw001]

Can't remember who was up on the embankment on the Silverdome this year furiously applying rain-x or trying anything and everything to prevent the screen fogging on day one. Del over on the ip forum tells me he might possibly be able to assist if you want to outlay a few sheckels and avoid the 12v dryers and not so magic potions, never know, might even get snow in November too!

Guilty as charged, and for the first time, rain-x didn't work well enough.

Talk about wet, day 5 on Aerosmith was the worst.

[2pee]

Ah, was thinking about a dark coloured car up the very top of the rise, asked us what we were doing, other than running around like headless chooks. Now I think of it, more than a couple of cars up there.

Aerosmith is pretty bad, although that Tyler bloke with a face like a smashed crab can pull some women! That longish stage on day 5 was almost as revolting, conga lines of cars overtaking then finding no taillights to follow, hard on the picks, repeat to end of stage.

Not sure there is skyline data there, suppose the first prerequisite of going at any pace is seeing the road though, screens are supposed to be around $500.