Tarmac Rallying Perpetual Thread

[blackrex]

Absolute is measured from 0, whereas gauge is from atmospheric (101.3kPa, 1 bar, 14.5psi) as a base. A lot of the euro cars quote absolute for inlet pressures.

[Targa Tom]

i said 290 not 270. only engine freedoms are ecu, cam gears and fuel. turbos must run standard boost which in an evo X is 1.6 bar.

Um, when did the std boost rule come in? or are you talking about Production Car Racing....

TT

[Duncan]

Indeed I was...in response to the ad on my105 claimining only 270kw out of a showroom evo.....

[PHaT MR30]

Maybe there should be an "open class" added ?

There is, its called demonstration... If your car doesn't meet the regs you can run in there

[PHaT MR30]

Indeed I was...in response to the ad on my105 claimining only 270kw out of a showroom evo.....

270 at the Flywheel though, thats only 50 or so more than stock

[Targa Tom]

exactly correct. I understand it is as low as 1bar at redline but production cars only cares about maximum boost.

presumably a death or 2. I have no idea why the regs are making faster cars over years. bigger tyres, larger exhaust, free injectors etc etc are just making the crashes harder when they happen.

what is the top speed on stage of the lambo?

Who cares how quick the lambo is! The guy hosed everyone (bar 1) in a last minute HQ ride. Mods/speed doesnt cause prangs - steering wheel attendants do (until they outlaw pedals & steering wheels that will continue to be the case). They had showroom - a few of us entered. Now manufacturer winging has lobbied change to brakes, exhaust, clutch and diffs. All of those 270kw showroom cars finished behind our 220kw one (Well all but 9 did). Fact is everyone wants to run a car that they are passionate about - and will get thru the event without spraying components all over the road.

It is a race - and while it is, people will go in over their head and prang. I dont agree with the no chicane change - that makes no sense. Other than that - if you want to do Tarmac Rally - come to Tassie. We have two of the best on the planet - and everyone is welcome. If you want to win you will need two buckets - one with talent the other money... otherwise just enjoy the event and challenge yourself. After all, where else can you drive the same race as Quinn Herridge Richards Glenney Wooster en all?

Back to pull GB from Cup Car

Go Casey & Ambrose tomorrow am

TT 2011 15 Days to go

[CycloneGTR]

Who cares how quick the lambo is! The guy hosed everyone (bar 1) in a last minute HQ ride. Mods/speed doesnt cause prangs - steering wheel attendants do (until they outlaw pedals & steering wheels that will continue to be the case). They had showroom - a few of us entered. Now manufacturer winging has lobbied change to brakes, exhaust, clutch and diffs. All of those 270kw showroom cars finished behind our 220kw one (Well all but 9 did). Fact is everyone wants to run a car that they are passionate about - and will get thru the event without spraying components all over the road.

It is a race - and while it is, people will go in over their head and prang. I dont agree with the no chicane change - that makes no sense. Other than that - if you want to do Tarmac Rally - come to Tassie. We have two of the best on the planet - and everyone is welcome. If you want to win you will need two buckets - one with talent the other money... otherwise just enjoy the event and challenge yourself. After all, where else can you drive the same race as Quinn Herridge Richards Glenney Wooster en all?

Back to pull GB from Cup Car

Go Casey & Ambrose tomorrow am

TT 2011 15 Days to go

Well said Greg

[PHaT MR30]

Incar from our debut in the 4wd/turbo class at the opening round of the Tas Rally Championship.

[Targa Tom]

Incar from our debut in the 4wd/turbo class at the opening round of the Tas Rally Championship.

I had about 50 crashes.... "SO" with corners lol. looked good - much tighter than I imagined a gravel car.

Well done

TT

[PHaT MR30]

Thanks Greg,

BTW I should say thanks for all the mint Carbon bits you whipped up for the car! certainly looks good!

Front lips are going to become a consumable though, so I don't suppose you have a mould of them?

[Beer Baron]

^^^ Yeah,

I rate the older evos. I had an 8 MR and it was very dull. With the active centre diff and the AYC rear, you were really left wonering if it was you catching the slides etc or the tricky diffs.. made you pretty lazy as you could get away with really slack driving....go in too hot, keep it buried and pointing where you wanted to go, and the computers worked out the rest. Some mech diffs might have made a change. The TME is tops. All mech diffs with only ABS as electronic talent. (I guess like your RS) Makes for a reasonably raw driving experience. And as you say, they respond well to basic mods amd are pretty robust.

Running DMS 50's on mine which I am happy with, but had I looked into it more, I may have opted for MCA or Reiger or something gucci like that. It took stages like Pelverata and Longley to appreciate that.

for sure, the 8/9/10 MRs/GSR etc are all a bit 'blunted'. the AYC and ACD make them a bit numb to drive like you say you get lazy as if you go in too hot, no need to worry just pile on an arm full of steering, plant it and see what the car decides to do...

the RS with mech LSDS front/rear and centre, and with the close ratio box means to drive it hard you are as busy as a one armed brick layer but the thing feels razor sharp in comparison and you know where the limit of traction is every time. in the tricky diff cars you never know quite where that grip limit will be. the DMS 50s are good but for sure the MCA are better. then again they cost more too so they would want to be better!

[Targa Tom]

Thanks Greg,

BTW I should say thanks for all the mint Carbon bits you whipped up for the car! certainly looks good!

Front lips are going to become a consumable though, so I don't suppose you have a mould of them?

We do a protector, but most dont run the lip... acts more like a shovel.

[t01-100]

I dont agree with the no chicane change - that makes no sense.

You know there isn't a single piece of evidence to suggest that the use of chicanes help increase... well anything actually other than make dangerous locations of perfectly safe pieces of straight road?

Chicanes create an object on a road that drivers will and have avoided at all costs, fact. In the final year of chicanes at Targa Tasmania these devices were the direct cause of over $200k of vehicle and property damage, and that was within the first three days alone!

Through their removal the safest part of the targa stage, the straightest sections, have once again returned to being the safest. This isn't an opinion, its measured data - incident numbers have gone down on the stages where these amazing devices once were and there has not been a single repeat of a vehicle crashing out at the location or within the area of effect that a chicane once was...

[Targa Tom]

You know there isn't a single piece of evidence to suggest that the use of chicanes help increase... well anything actually other than make dangerous locations of perfectly safe pieces of straight road?

Chicanes create an object on a road that drivers will and have avoided at all costs, fact. In the final year of chicanes at Targa Tasmania these devices were the direct cause of over $200k of vehicle and property damage, and that was within the first three days alone!

Through their removal the safest part of the targa stage, the straightest sections, have once again returned to being the safest. This isn't an opinion, its measured data - incident numbers have gone down on the stages where these amazing devices once were and there has not been a single repeat of a vehicle crashing out at the location or within the area of effect that a chicane once was...

Well, I thought it was to decrease the average speed. Now maybe not a requirement due to AASA v CAMS. Drove past Kennards the other day and those devises were stacked 2 stories high - not causing any damage... I was sticking up for the event Stu. If anyone is a poor enough driver that they hit big bright orange things with 300mtrs warning - maybe U need to re assess the driver ability pre-requisit. You failed to mention the massive saving in hire/logistics of the many chicanes during the event. If AASA went belly up and you had to use cams, then maybe the carnage creaters would return. My response was to a comment about speed / death and mayhem... Was being an ally - relax.

TT

[2pee]

Both speed control options are crap IMHO.

Often see those plastic speed hump things they use to cover electrical conduit in traffic areas and wonder if they'd take the edge off the speedy bits and they wouldn't take the setting up time or need for observers - although I guess you might get the heroes going for launch!

Not as good as a Mitsubishi driver's effort from a couple of years back, but still a language warning.....

[sav man]

Is it true that Targa is going back to cams? Rumers are floating round it is?

[Snowman]

I'm pretty sure Stu already squashed the rumor.

[t01-100]

Didn’t mean to offend Greg, just wanted to clarify that the removal of chicanes did make sense and the change implemented was as a result of research, not a whim.

The initial introduction of chicanes was as a method to manage average speed, and it was a tough sell! I remember presenting to the leading factory and privateers at the time at the CAMS Board Room in Melbourne and no one was keen on them, but it was accepted that these were needed to be introduced to meet the requirements of the sanctioning body... times change and it was interesting to see the accepted safety device didn't tick all the boxes.

As a byproduct there were savings by not using chicanes, but it's also fair to say that the largest investment in equipment upgrades and training has occurred in the last three years so any savings have been put, plus much much more into the better delivery of the events. I think the dollar per competitive km ratio of any targa event is pretty sharp.

The ensure the best deal for competitors there is always open dialogue between the insurers and Octagon… the business continues to be involved with CAMS in various projects, although the AASA association is better known in the tarmac rally world.

[PHaT MR30]

Any news stu on the GPS tracking you had planned? Will it be implemented this year?

[Darkside]

Hahhaha,

too funny on the incar of the chcane....Cameras just ruin any chance you have with the excuse book.....300.....200....100..... pretty easy to see..

Sadly we have suffered the CAMS chicane solution at a "hillclimb" here in Perth in the southwest. (Collie) It had an epic straight in it that the guys in the GTR's were hitting about 250-260 on. But it was dead straight and had runoff if you missed the turn at the end. No one had got hurt but it was descided it was getting too fast. Now it has two chicanes that cars constantly destroyed by cars durign runs and have to be rebiult between runs which slows the day down and cars are spinning where they once were just blasting in a staright line....

Here is the old one.....You dont get a good appreciation for the speed but allegedly its around 250....and this guy wondered why he kept braking gearboxes....

Edited March 22, 2011 by Darkside