What's The Benefit Of Joining Andra?

[JAS-25T]

Thanks for reiterating that. Certainly safety is the foremost important aspect of any sport. I have no problem with the safety requirements at all.

However, how does enthusiasts like me benefit from paying the full UDL? What does the personal protection cover? Why is this cover higher than the guys, with superstreet licence, that don't have as much personal protective equipment or safety equipment in their slower vehicle? As you rightly said they can still roll their cars and kill themselves at lower speed too...if they don't have the full roll cage.

They are all questions to ask the person you are buying the goods/service from.

Not a bunch of filthy ricers on a forum

[BezerkR32]

Think of it as like an insurance premium. when your in a higher risk catagory, you pay more. i think the idea is if i have to pay X amount a year, make good use of the liscense.

there are plenty of events to race.

Thanks for reiterating that. Certainly safety is the foremost important aspect of any sport. I have no problem with the safety requirements at all.

However, how does enthusiasts like me benefit from paying the full UDL? What does the personal protection cover? Why is this cover higher than the guys, with superstreet licence, that don't have as much personal protective equipment or safety equipment in their slower vehicle? As you rightly said they can still roll their cars and kill themselves at lower speed too...if they don't have the full roll cage.

Edited July 23, 2008 by BezerkR32

[Swiper the Fox]

im glad ive got all the safety gear...when you have a young family and drive as bad as me you need it...its the expensive licence that eats me...im not a hard core drag racer and only attend the occasional meeting so its a big expense when you put it in that light. Maybe have a user pays system where the licence is X amount then a run fee is paid at each event as you register that ANDRA collects. Why should casual racers pay into a development fund to televise a meeting that they are not even attending. That way the casual racer with a quick car is not so out of pocket.

Edited July 23, 2008 by DiRTgarage

[JAS-25T]

As a percentage of your total costs I doubt it is a large amount - maybe for other part time racers, but not yourself Paul.

[BezerkR32]

i find it weird that circuit racers want to drag race, isnt that funny.

As a percentage of your total costs I doubt it is a large amount - maybe for other part time racers, but not yourself Paul.

[1JZ.747]

Think of it as like an insurance premium. when your in a higher risk catagory, you pay more. i think the idea is if i have to pay X amount a year, make good use of the liscense.

there are plenty of events to race.

exactly.

i do agree licenses for UDL are pretty hefty now with the DRDF added on, and its going to get worse once i start racing group 2 ozmod, i hope that the increased television coverage helps get more sponsors, time will tell.

at the end of the day if this is a sport you want to compete in at these tracks you have to pay the money or go race at heathcote. by the time you towe a car there an back from NSW theres the money for your UDL and you get a better track

[Swiper the Fox]

exactly.

i do agree licenses for UDL are pretty hefty now with the DRDF added on, and its going to get worse once i start racing group 2 ozmod, i hope that the increased television coverage helps get more sponsors, time will tell.

at the end of the day if this is a sport you want to compete in at these tracks you have to pay the money or go race at heathcote. by the time you towe a car there an back from NSW theres the money for your UDL and you get a better track

Finally putting on that 1st grade jersey thats had your name on it for so long.

good to hear Shane and good luck with it.

[2rismo]

Pffft... It's still the reserves. There's a ban waiting for him when he buys a Supra, too!

[Swiper the Fox]

Pffft... It's still the reserves. There's a ban waiting for him when he buys a Supra, too!

Its 1st grade in a full bodied car.

What? a supra! does dad want his car back?

I can just visualise "dad, can i borrow the car" dad replies "well ok but how long are you going to be?" shane replies "9 seconds" lol

Edited July 24, 2008 by DiRTgarage

[1JZ.747]

Its 1st grade in a full bodied car.

What? a supra! does dad want his car back?

I can just visualise "dad, can i borrow the car" dad replies "well ok but how long are you going to be?" shane replies "9 seconds" lol

im waiting to see what ray does next year before i commit to cutting 900 pounds of weight out of it.

still want to go mid 8's on the radial yet.

[2rismo]

Its 1st grade in a full bodied car.

Bzzzzzzt!

Pro Hairdresser (PS), Top Wallslammer (TD), Pro 2J20B (PR) is Grp 1.

[Swiper the Fox]

Bzzzzzzt!

Pro Hairdresser (PS), Top Wallslammer (TD), Pro 2J20B (PR) is Grp 1.

all i ever wanted was a 9...now i want an 8...where does it stop?

sorry 1wristmo mistake by me...deduct 5 points

[2rismo]

That's 1-off-the-wrist-mo.

[FineLine]

ANDRA have other considerations besides late model cars and their inherent safety systems. Go to any tnt or race meeting and you will see a very high percentage of not so new cars running some damn quick times even by todays standards.

Old torana's, Falcon.s valiant's etc abound at the strip And most skylines arent excactly newish either.

While most of them are well prepared there is no getting over the fact that they are old. Anything can and does go wrong at the drags and I commend them for their stand.

[9krpm]

Think of it as like an insurance premium. when your in a higher risk catagory, you pay more. i think the idea is if i have to pay X amount a year, make good use of the liscense.

there are plenty of events to race.

Yes but the total risk is the product of relative risk and exposure. Infrequent exposure (drag race) in a medium risk category still should be considered as low risk.

I am thinking the same line as dirtgarage as well. Why cant we have a "PAYGO" system. It certainly will attract a lot more enthusiasts and should improve Andra revenue.

It's not rocket science, just a basic supply and demand curve.

They are all questions to ask the person you are buying the goods/service from.

Not a bunch of filthy ricers on a forum

Nah it's more fun to get people different opinions on here.

If I call up Andra, I will get a very straight Nazi answer.....pay to play mate.

Or may be I should enlighten them with a brief supply and demand economic lesson as well.....I doubt that will change anything though

[Sydneykid]

Insurance, safety gear, clothing, development funds etc etc are all valid points for having licensing, no sensible person would question that. What it is valid to question is the accuracy of the demarcation lines and whether or not they are up to date. For example, at some point in time someone decided that an 11.00 ET was a line drawn in the sand that said once you cross that line you have to do certain extra things.

The real question here is how was the 11.00 decided? If it was based on the logic that no production cars do 10.99, then it’s time to question that logic. The idea that all cars running faster than 11.00 couldn’t possibly be “road cars”, hence they must be “race cars”. Since they are “race cars”, their owners should have no problem with cages and other items that further separate their “race car” from a “road car”. To achieve that sort of time their owners will have carried out a large number of modifications. Such modifications that have taken the car so far away from being a “road car” that the owner couldn’t/wouldn’t/shouldn’t validly complain about a few more safety related requirements.

The problem currently being faced is that there are an ever increasing number of production cars that, with a minimum of mods, can easily exceed the line in the sand. These are “road cars” in my definition and hence why the line in the sand should be reviewed regularly. Otherwise we are risking turning their owners away from doing their racing where it belongs, on the track. After all that’s what we are really talking about here, why the government kicked the can to build the track in the first place. Give the guys with “road cars” somewhere to race other than the streets. If the current ANDRA regulations are turning these guys away, then it’s time to review those lines in the sand.

Cheers

Gary

[JAS-25T]

Nah it's more fun to get people different opinions on here.

If I call up Andra, I will get a very straight Nazi answer.....pay to play mate.

Or may be I should enlighten them with a brief supply and demand economic lesson as well.....I doubt that will change anything though

The questions you posed are all one answer questions#. I am sure there is a list of things you are covered for, but you seem to see ANDRA as the enemy with your reference to Nazi's. How about you actually attempt to contact them instead of knocking them? Going off your above post you haven't even done so.

how does enthusiasts like me benefit from paying the full UDL?

#Well all barring this one which is really a matter of opinion, as the "value" of any thing always is.

Insurance, safety gear, clothing, development funds etc etc are all valid points for having licensing, no sensible person would question that. What it is valid to question is the accuracy of the demarcation lines and whether or not they are up to date. For example, at some point in time someone decided that an 11.00 ET was a line drawn in the sand that said once you cross that line you have to do certain extra things.

The real question here is how was the 11.00 decided? If it was based on the logic that no production cars do 10.99, then it’s time to question that logic. The idea that all cars running faster than 11.00 couldn’t possibly be “road cars”, hence they must be “race cars”. Since they are “race cars”, their owners should have no problem with cages and other items that further separate their “race car” from a “road car”. To achieve that sort of time their owners will have carried out a large number of modifications. Such modifications that have taken the car so far away from being a “road car” that the owner couldn’t/wouldn’t/shouldn’t validly complain about a few more safety related requirements.

The problem currently being faced is that there are an ever increasing number of production cars that, with a minimum of mods, can easily exceed the line in the sand. These are “road cars” in my definition and hence why the line in the sand should be reviewed regularly. Otherwise we are risking turning their owners away from doing their racing where it belongs, on the track. After all that’s what we are really talking about here, why the government kicked the can to build the track in the first place. Give the guys with “road cars” somewhere to race other than the streets. If the current ANDRA regulations are turning these guys away, then it’s time to review those lines in the sand.

Cheers

Gary

Again I disagree. Also, your speculation about how they came to the decision of 11 being the limit for a licence acheives nothing.

In all reality lets look at this from a common sense perspective.

To run 10's you need to be doing what? 120+mph? (my rough guess - happy to be changed)

At around 200km/h I would (as I would also hope any other sane person would) want to be as safe as possible, therefore racing at the safest possible track - new car or old. Additionally, one would assume that some form of personal protection cover would be offered.

I think it is more than reasonable to be paying whatever is required to get the highest quality of safety along with all the other benifits outlined previously.

Can any of you put a value on your life? If any of you suggest lower than what it costs to get a licence + build a racecar............I feel for your family.

[1JZ.747]

the line in the sand has to be somewhere, and thats were it is. i cant see it changing, 11.00 is damn quick by anyones standards.

the days of having a street car that runs low 11's or tens is long gooone. you simply cant have those cars without being defectable.

the line has been drawn in the sand and people have to live with it, accept it and pay for it, or dont race. simple

if we keep lowering the standards, next we will see big victor in his 57 running a 5 in a t shirt & double pluggers sipping a rum and coke.

aint going to happen

[2rismo]

the line in the sand has to be somewhere, and thats were it is. i cant see it changing, 11.00 is damn quick by anyones standards.

if we keep lowering the standards, next we will see big victor in his 57 running a 5 in a t shirt & double pluggers sipping a rum and coke.

aint going to happen

What a horrible farking image! I'm off to wash my brain out!@@@!@!!@#!#$!@#$@#!

[2rismo]

Wait, I just realised that Victor doesn't even look close to runnin' a 5. All is well with the world once more!