New Dotars Ruling – Clarification

[Nismo_Boy]

No CAMS license needed anymore, mainly due to the fact super sedans and drag racers don't run under CAMS. So to make it fair on everyone, all you need to do is write a letter explaining your intentions for use and intended motor sport(s) use for the vehicle in question.

Can those who 100% know for sure, confirm or deny the above is true in regard to now importing a RACE ONLY import.

According to an Australian importer a Circuit Racing/Level 3 CAMS license is now no longer needed?

- Josh

Edited July 30, 2008 by Nismo_Boy

[«Cyph3r»]

someone post allready

[Guest]

Who is stating this new ruling on RACE/RALLY and were is the link out of interest, the VSB 10 states it is still required and I can never see DOTARS allowing open slather on RACE/RALLY cars.

You have always been eligible to import a race car for things like building a Drag Racer with out a CAMS licence but you need to supply a lot of documentation supporting your race history, not just I want to race cars so I will import one....

8. Racing Vehicles - Part 11 of the Application Form

Rally Use/ Closed Circuit Racing

Before approving a Vehicle Import Application, the Administrator needs to be satisfied that the vehicle will be only used for rally/race purposes

Vehicle Import Applications for rally/race use will only be considered where the vehicle will be used in serious competition, generally at professional level. Where a particular vehicle model is readily available in the Australian market, a Vehicle Import Approval will not be granted unless there are compelling reasons to justify why it is necessary to import a vehicle to compete in events in Australia. The fact that a vehicle may be on an eligibility list for an event is not, of itself, a reason to justify the granting of a Vehicle Import Approval.

At a minimum, the following criteria must be met:

* eligible vehicles for rally/race use are those homologated by the Federation Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA). A list of homologated vehicle models is available.

* under normal circumstances applicants will be restricted to importing a single vehicle and acceptable reasons will need to be provided to import another vehicle for rally/race use.

* road vehicles for rally use are imported on the condition that they will only be used in the course of competition, practice associated with competition and transport to and from a rally location.

* the applicant must include a statement with their application that the vehicle will only be used for rally purposes together with a copy of a current CAMS R3 or higher grade licence.

* For closed circuit racing the applicant must include a statement with their application that the vehicle will only be used for closed circuit racing purposes together with a copy of a current CAMS C3 or higher grade licence.

In addition, the applicant will need to provide evidence of a professional or high level involvement in rally/race sport, including:

* details of events in which the applicant has driven a rally/race car;

* details of specific events in which the applicant proposes to compete in the car for which the Vehicle Import Application is submitted;

* details of the rally/race club or organisation of which the applicant is a member and the length of membership; and

* if the vehicle is a model available in the Australian vehicle market, justification for the need to import the vehicle (cost of the vehicle in the domestic market will not generally be considered an acceptable justification).

Documents required to be submitted with the application form:

*

$50.00 application fee

*

purchase documents

*

copy of CAMS R3 or higher licence or CAMS C3 or higher

*

evidence of participation in rallying or closed circuit racing and

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evidence of vehicles homologation,

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certified picture ID of the importer or responsible officer if a company

*

if you have not imported in the last 12 months you will need to provide your ID again

[Nismo_Boy]

Who is stating this new ruling on RACE/RALLY and were is the link out of interest

Phoenix Imports

They posted it on nissansilvia

[Iron Chef]

I've got a race/rally import through with a Level 2NS before, but that was because that level licence was all that was required to compete in Drift at a national level. That application was also supported with 12 pages of documentary evidence to prove that the person applying was an experienced competitor and was competing in Drift Australia.

I'm hearing many claims being made around the traps about some people being "given approval by DoTaRS to import race/rally cars without paperwork", which I find extremely hard to swallow. Put it this way, ask yourself if you'd like it to be your car they got it wrong on...

[giant]

i dont know if this help you any but i got RACE ONLY approval to bring in a race car , an r34 gtr (not registerable),

i didnt have a Circuit Racing/Level 3 CAMS( i had cams LS2) but i did write a letter explaining what racin we were doing with the car and that it is not cams sanctioned events and had a J.P sign it.

and also gave some other evidence to support my story.

cheers russ

[N1GTR]

And how did they respond - happy and helpful or reluctant?

[Beer Baron]

as far as I know nothing has changed in recent times regarding race only imports. certainly there has been not DOTARS "ruling" that has been published. unless phoenix imports were the only people to see it.

any smartie thinking of trying to abuse the race only import approvals please think again. all you will do is f*k it for the rest of us who do the right thing. just like you did with the LVIS/CPA scheme, just like you did with 15yo rule too.

DOTARS are not dummies. if you want to import a race only car you had better have a decent competition history to back it up, and the most appropriate licence for the racing you have been doing and will be doing. So, sure if you are a top level drifter who has been competing for 3 years and have only need a L2S, then I'm sure they would approve it as you can demonstrate extensive competition history, and can map out future rounds you will be competing in. but if you go to 3 track days a year, and reckon they will give you a race import approval on the strength of your L2S licence and some super sprints and trackdays then you may be in for a nasty surprise...

[Nismo_Boy]

And how did they respond - happy and helpful or reluctant?

I made this post before contacting them. I didn’t think what they are stating was true, hence getting clarification on the matter before wasting my time, money and possibly even car.

For the record two other “import performance shops/wreckers” are offering this service.

i dont know if this help you any but i got RACE ONLY approval to bring in a race car , an r34 gtr (not registerable),

i didnt have a Circuit Racing/Level 3 CAMS( i had cams LS2) but i did write a letter explaining what racin we were doing with the car and that it is not cams sanctioned events and had a J.P sign it.

and also gave some other evidence to support my story.

cheers russ

Thanks Russ.

Something I will look into with Dotars, as I may have enough documentation from a competitive class we were in for about 3 years.

[funkymonkey]

Phoenix Imports

They posted it on nissansilvia

there's you're problem right there

i'd take whatever they claim with a pinch of salt.

and for the love of god I hope those muppets don't screw the system up with half arsed approval applications for the budding drift superstars on NS that want cars to swap parts out of or rebirth instead of actual race use which is what the system is in place for.

[giant]

very good point Shan

[djr81]

and for the love of god I hope those muppets don't screw the system up with half arsed approval applications for the budding drift superstars on NS that want cars to swap parts out of or rebirth instead of actual race use which is what the system is in place for.

Well said. Without mentioning any names I wouldn't place any store in the hope that any number of muppets won't put their short term gain ahead of the long term interest of people who genuinely have a use for race/rally imports.

[Nismo_Boy]

there's you're problem right there

i'd take whatever they claim with a pinch of salt.

and for the love of god I hope those muppets don't screw the system up with half arsed approval applications for the budding drift superstars on NS that want cars to swap parts out of or rebirth instead of actual race use which is what the system is in place for.

Now see, that is what I needed to know.

Thanks Shan.

[1400r]

hmmmm

[PhoenixImports]

In reference to what was posted on ns.com:

Cars can legally be imported for track use, either by following the scheme that has been suggested above, or via writing to DOTARS, and detailing your requirement for motorsport purposes,

also entailing your history, plans for future events, current and upcoming commitment in detail.

You wont have hassles in importing a car for race/rally use if this is followed.

Either way IS approved by the DOTARS, and is a legitimate way of importing a race/rally car for motorsports use.

In reference to Shan's comments,

I would really suggest you reconsider what you write on the internet, as you are slandering a licenced motor car trader/company in victoria Shan, And serious repercussions are to be had.

This is not the first time you have done this either, and it has been documented.

Thanks.

[Guest]

The Race/Rally scheme is one scheme and one only no matter how it is worded or how people think it works, I have complied a few applications for DRAG R32 GTR's (CAMS LICENCE), Toyota Supra JZA80 for Drag Racing (NO licence) and I complied one to import a EVO 9 MR just after they were released with a CAMS licence and it was not easy.

I know for a fact that the scum who think they are a legit business are buying cars for RAWS and knowing they will never be complied saying to the workshop don't bother then they are trying to sell the cars as Race Rally and yes DOTARS are on to this scam.

Are people that stupid they buy a car they are offered Race Rally pay everyone including the Butt Tax to the guy who found it for him and then they go, ok apply for an Import Approval now to import the car you just bought (hoping an approval is issued).

This new/old scam is offering cars that would never be used as race rally, are the biggest pieces of shit that couldn't get past RAWS or cars that need a full rebuild just for some leach to get an easy quick buck.

[funkymonkey]

In reference to Shan's comments,

I would really suggest you reconsider what you write on the internet, as you are slandering a licenced motor car trader/company in victoria Shan, And serious repercussions are to be had.

This is not the first time you have done this either, and it has been documented.

Thanks.

Jam it mate, I haven't slandered you at any point, simply advised Josh that any tall claims be taken with a pinch of salt.... that applies to any import broker who promises the world. At no point did I claim any facts about your company or the charming fellows off NS that spam our forum at any given chance. What I've posted is simply speculation about the industry (if you read my comment, it says "I hope they aren't..." I never said that you were, only you are privy to that fact). You're more than welcome to clear up if you think it applies to you (but being a squeaky clean import broker it shouldn't apply to you).

The last time I posted anything about Phoenix was a very long time ago, I was helping another forum member break down the costs of importing his car given the FOB costs etc, and trying to figure out where the extra costs were coming from in the process. Mysteriously that thread was taken down by the powers that be on NS.

Regardless, I sincerely do hope you guys aren't helping idiots bring in cars under race approvals to sell as parts.

Further, from memory I remember banning a "representative" of Phoenix Imports for spamming this forum a long time ago. Your new username will also be banned shortly.

[PhoenixImports]

Good on ya mate for your artful dodge, we wont get right down to that at this point,

but id have a talk to someone who knows law and re-read your post out aloud again.

And to those who doubt us, have a go at enquiring about this process,

call dotars as we often do, and you'll find out it is VERY possible to import without a

CAMS licence of any sort when specifically for motorsports use. Therefore saving us all

having to read what is obviously only your opinion, not based on education. As also stated

by other brokers above, it CAN be done.

At no point are we spaming this forum as you so think, just defending or integrity and clarifying this thread.

[Nismo_Boy]

And to those who doubt us, have a go at enquiring about this process,

call dotars as we often do, and you'll find out it is VERY possible to import without a

CAMS licence of any sort when specifically for motorsports use. Therefore saving us all

having to read what is obviously only your opinion, not based on education. As also stated

by other brokers above, it CAN be done.

Hey mate.

As the original poster I have had very lengthy discussions with DOTARS in regard to this. Yes, you are right it can be done – However it would have be a very (and I mean very) extraordinary circumstances that they would allow me to import a race only import with no CAMS or ANDRA license at all.

I would have to prove I have been in motor sport in the past, outlining what I have done when I did it, not just fluffed around in club days from forums and basically right an essay on its indented use where/what and how I would be transporting it, if I couldn’t convince them they said no go.

I have held/have a Level 2 Speed (2S) licence and as long as I can prove and satisfy the criteria they would “consider it”.

It was suggested I possibly look into importing a vehicle under the exhibition scheme for a private collection… However obviously DOTARS couldn’t confirm or deny much, however going to at least one race met would satisfy their criteria on “showing” the car.

This is just from what I’ve been told from DOTARS. I’m sure it change’s every time someone calls.

[tomk]

I like my car soo much

Edited September 13, 2008 by tomk