Turbo And Tune

[bryno]

Have tried to look around on the forums and the net for a rough figure as to how long and/or how much this kind of thing would cost but haven't really found anything..

Got a HKS GT-RS (full kit), emanage ultimate with plug in loom and some nismo injectors in a fuel rail that I'm looking at getting fitted. I'm limited to the number of workshops that can do this because of the EMU and hardly any one tuning it.

I've so far been given a rough quote of $1500 which didn't include the injectors being installed, basically just fitting the turbo and getting a tune. I thought that seemed like a fair bit seeing as the GT-RS is a bolt on turbo... Apparently I'd need new gaskets and other parts that aren't included in the kit up to about $200, then cleaning (or machining.. cant remember) the exhaust manifold for a couple more hundred dollars.. Fine with 3 hours on a dyno for tuning @ around $500. I don't know how long it'd take to fit the turbo but a grand still seems pretty damn steep...

I was considering fitting all this stuff myself to try and save some money, but I'd probably do it wrong and I wouldn't mind paying some one to do it.. But I've got no idea what kind of price I should be paying and I'm easily convinced I need unnecessary things.. so I didn't want to get completely shafted!

Can any one shed some light on what they think I should be roughly paying to get a GTRS, injectors and an EMU installed and tuned? muchly appreciated...

Edited August 4, 2008 by brynj

[NISZILA]

Do it yourself. I'm sure some people will lend you a hand. Provide some free beers, and make a day of it

A few people on here have done that.

[bryno]

mm yeah was considering putting the call out, who likes getting drunk for free? haha

can the car be driven without being tuned though after that kind of stuff is put in?

[NA_Goodness]

I think you can upload some base maps for it so you can drive it. It'll run like shit obviously, but it'll still get you to your tuner. If not, put it on the back of a truck. It'd still end up cheaper then paying someone to install it

[Kaido_RR]

my 2cents.

sell the emanage and buy a real ecu; after seeing the issue all-star had with tuning one i would stay away from them.

Installing the GT-RS is easy job, i did ztuned for him took afew hrs. the kit inc. all gaskets needed (if i remember right) machining of the manifold is not needed, so tell them you don't want it done.

Injectors can be a time consuming job, i pay $350 to have mine installed by EVO-R, was quoted around $600-$700 by other workshops. If you got the tools you can do it yourself just takes sometime (can be done without removing the plenum but takes longer)

Tuning cost is anywhere from $500 to $1000 depending how long it takes to tune (if i remember right most people charge around $150/hr for tuning)

So EMU install (nothing, they just plug it in) $0

Tuning EMU $500 - $1000

Injectors $350 - $700

Turbo $500 (ruff est, @ $100/hr for labor and 5hrs)

[sam5709]

the injectors arnt that hard to install, when i did mine i only took the throttle body off, in your case you just have to pull your old fuel rail off and install the one i sold you because the nismos have already been put in with new o-rings, you just need nice small hands to get to the connector looms for each injector

[inthisglass]

turbo is easy as people have said

be bolted skyryans turbo on in my shed, took us about half a days worth of actual work

we spent the rest of the time making out and what have you

the injectors, i would get done as they are fiddly an its just worth paying someone else to do it

again what has already been said, sell the greddy and buy a pfc or one of the new v-ipecs, not just a piggy back

that way the tune will be better, and it all comes down to the tune in the end.

[bryno]

thanks for the replies.

yeah I was going to try to install the injectors myself because there's a DIY thread on here, but nothing for fitting turbos and I'd hate to destroy a brand new expensive turbo

I really don't understand why some people are so against the EMU. Fair enough if there have been some bad results with it, but surely there are tuners out there who see the potential in it like I do!? Brand new hardware using newer technology, with software thats easy to use yet detailed according to some people on here that tune them.

Michael, are you able to tell me what problems Allstar had?

[bryno]

again what has already been said, sell the greddy and buy a pfc or one of the new v-ipecs, not just a piggy back

that way the tune will be better, and it all comes down to the tune in the end.

damnit.. maybe I'm just being ignorant and should sell it... I dreamed of a day when I had all this shit in my car without problems.. with the e-manage

[bnr#@]

Nothing wrong with the EMU as long as you can find a good tuner for it. The problem is that there is no tuner here in perth who realy specialises in it, there are those that CAN do it but as its not their specialty they will probably not get the most out of it....

[Kaido_RR]

thanks for the replies.

yeah I was going to try to install the injectors myself because there's a DIY thread on here, but nothing for fitting turbos and I'd hate to destroy a brand new expensive turbo

I really don't understand why some people are so against the EMU. Fair enough if there have been some bad results with it, but surely there are tuners out there who see the potential in it like I do!? Brand new hardware using newer technology, with software thats easy to use yet detailed according to some people on here that tune them.

Michael, are you able to tell me what problems Allstar had?

the way the EMU does it fuel map. no matter what Allstar did they could not get the fuel map correct, even with 100% fuel the car still lean out in the top-rpm. Shaun and Nick both explain to me the reason why this was happening and it wasn't a tuning issue but an issue with the way the ecu is made/design.

If you have time or around the area pop in and speak to Shaun @ Allstar, he will explain why he doesn't like the EMU, and i think its better to talk directly to a tuner to understand why some people just dont like the EMU.

oh and fitting the turbo is pretty straight forward; because the kit comes with braided lines it makes it alot easier to install the turbo. All you need is a good socket-set, some open-end spanners, car jack and some other random tools.

Edited August 5, 2008 by [Michael]

[-Dukes-]

Yeah, a $100 tow is way better than risking your engine.

I think you can upload some base maps for it so you can drive it. It'll run like shit obviously, but it'll still get you to your tuner. If not, put it on the back of a truck. It'd still end up cheaper then paying someone to install it

[nism0man]

my 2cents.

sell the emanage and buy a real ecu

+1

Edited August 9, 2008 by nism0man

[bryno]

yeah yeah.. was looking at the new ViPEC the other day.. I'm still tempted to try the EMU just to see how it goes because I didn't want anything that fancy but I guess if it fails that'll be the alternative.

[NWR31]

ok firstly you can plug the ecu in & it will drive just the same as it shouldnt have any maps/tune in it. (on the stock injectors)

install the turbo yourself if you can at the same time.

drive to the tuner to get it tuned & injectors installed.

i had my emanage tuned at asg by andrew from hyperdrive (trust dealer), just after he tuned my evo 6 he went over east for a emu tuning course.

it took just over 2hrs for him to tune my evo 6, power went from 240hp on asg's dyno to 300hp from the tune alone and about 5 more psi. (was running 20/21psi on a basically stock evo 6 with exhaust, pod, ebc & emu)

car was a bit of an animal after that lol

btw not sure what the issue would be for the fuel maps, it will allow bigger injectors & it also has an extra fuel map for extra injectors. also can buy a map sensor if you want to run with the stock afm or a bigger afm.

Edited August 13, 2008 by norwest_rumbler

[bryno]

Thanks Andy. Yeah after reading the massive EMU thread about settings and stuff it looks like you just need to enter in some basic info and then the car will run fine (hopefully)..

I thought there wasn't much point in running a bigger AFM with the EMU though because it translated it back to standard AFM readings or something so you lost any extra resolution anyway..?