Anti Theft

[TheTunersGroup]

unless you take the wheels of the car and chain it to the ground - I'll take the car - simple as that.

Hi Chris,

No alarm system or immobiliser can stop a thief coming along with a truck and towing a car away. But immobilisers aren't designed to defend against cars being towed away - they are designed to defend against thieves who plan to drive your car away.

[DAS KAMU]

I used to take my coil lead with me anytime i used to park my datsun anywhere

people used to laugh but i was happy it gave me the freedom to not worry about the car

[r33seddy]

viper alarm system. it will page u if someone walks near ur car let alone gets in it or starts it

a nice pitbull chained up to ur car with enough lead to investigate any noises will do nicely

one of my mates kept a jungle python in his car at night.

food for thought

[money pit]

I know bugger all about high end auto security but what I do know is that I dont really want to have to chain the car to the house 24/7 or spend $3K to protect a car worth about $10K.

Has anyone got any thoughts as to installing a good old fashioned "kill switch"?? One of these hidden somewhere inside would surely confuse the amateur thief. It just seems like it would be a cheap, easy way to protect it from toe-rags who just want to flog the crap out of it for a couple of hours. Obviously a pro would sus it in a second but how many pros could be bothered pinching and old car anyway??

Greg.

[Public Enemy]

Just ordered the Bell works quick release and locking system and the forced ignition immobiliser system.

Any advice for who should install the forced Ignition in Perth?

Cheers

[TheTunersGroup]

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[SL33K]

Back home in da land of AFRICA.

In my Pajero i have an alarm system which has a switch hidden somewhere in the car(you choose where u want it) and the car will not start until the switch is pressed and if the car is started it beeps about 4 times and the REV meter starts going crazy while the idiot is stealinn ur ride and the revs go very low until the engine dies and the SIREN GOES OFF.

Maybe u already know it. No one mentioned it so i did.

[Chris Rogers]

yep - perth based comapny brings those in. antihijack feature. good unitl you forget its there.

[ali-turko]

hey chris, just wondering if you could recommened any one in vic to fit a good secruity system for me??

thx mate

[Chris Rogers]

stylyn car audio - boronia - adam - mention me.

[Kinks]

18 yrs ago I wired a electric fence controller to my car and that worked well. it also got me in a LOT of trouble with the cops. food for thought.

That's fantastic. I would have thought the high voltage could play havoc with the car's electricals but maybe not. I guess you'd have to put warning stickers on your car to avoid being liable for people who touch it accidentally, thereby defeating the purpose of shocking the crap out of an unsuspecting and would-be thief.

[vekta]

Back home in da land of AFRICA.

In my Pajero i have an alarm system which has a switch hidden somewhere in the car(you choose where u want it) and the car will not start until the switch is pressed and if the car is started it beeps about 4 times and the REV meter starts going crazy while the idiot is stealinn ur ride and the revs go very low until the engine dies and the SIREN GOES OFF.

Maybe u already know it. No one mentioned it so i did.

hey there i'm interested in getting one of these - anyone have any more info on it? what's it called? is there anyone in the ACT who can install one? (or failing that - NSW?)

i agree with some of the previous posts - i'm so over car thieves

thanks

[PlatinumPPI]

Hi Guys,

Anyway noticed you talking about good security system, I now offer this Keypad system which can be added to any vehicle with or without alarm and interfaces with turbo timers no problems, which works much like the ForcedIgnition system and is easy to install, you can even do a stealth install yourself.

The system comes with Anti-Hyjack functions where you system can be programmed to automatically turn on a few mins later if your door is opened and closed without you entering the pin number again. (ie someone pulls you out of the car and drives off)

This system helps prevent car theft even in the event of someone stealing yours keys which is awesome.

Anyway just a thought

Wireless Keypad System (with Anti-Hyjack)

Oh and also any alarm or immobiliser system will not prevent a guy towing your vehicle. Best defence against that is to get a wheel clamp at least this makes it harder for them (not impossible but harder) I run this puppy on my car

[ali-turko]

its hard to find a wheel clamp to sut after maket wheels,

most wheel clamps will only fit 16" wheels

[The Bogan]

First hit on google(wheel clamps for sale)

KLAMP-IT wheel clamp

Fitted to your trailer or vehicle in 30 seconds to give a highly visible theft deterant. Prevents access to the wheel nuts. Heavy duty clamp and key lock.

Tyre size:

Clamp Size A: 145mm to 155mm, Dia 9" to 10"

Clamp Size B: 165mm to 185mm, Dia 13" to 17"

Clamp size C: 195mm to 205mm, Dia 13" to 17"

Clamp size D: 215mm to 245mm, Dia 14" to 18"

Clamp size E: 265mm to 285mm, Dia 14" to 16"

Clamps A, B & C: $199

Clamp D: $242

Clamp E: $295

[GTRBOYZ]

First hit on google(wheel clamps for sale)

KLAMP-IT wheel clamp

Fitted to your trailer or vehicle in 30 seconds to give a highly visible theft deterant. Prevents access to the wheel nuts. Heavy duty clamp and key lock.

Tyre size:

Clamp Size A: 145mm to 155mm, Dia 9" to 10"

Clamp Size B: 165mm to 185mm, Dia 13" to 17"

Clamp size C: 195mm to 205mm, Dia 13" to 17"

Clamp size D: 215mm to 245mm, Dia 14" to 18"

Clamp size E: 265mm to 285mm, Dia 14" to 16"

Clamps A, B & C: $199

Clamp D: $242

Clamp E: $295

Nice But...ummm Still can be tow away..

there is no Theft proof alarm system. If it can be make it can be break. Even Quik Track..Ever heard of the blackbox..Jammed the fricken signal.

Alarms system are meant for deterrent and stop lil kids from joy riding...but for a pro...They want it they will get it...

eg..Hi jacking...best way Fully comprehensive Insurance or just drive a sh ..t box like I do for daily drive.

[dave32gtr]

Here is something you guys should know (but prob don't wanna hear). I know of 2 well known tuning work shops (who I wont mention as I like my fingers and toes) who when they take a car to do an install (be it a new turbo timer or a full engine build), use to take a copy of the key. Then rig up the car alarm so that it would lock the car, but not immobilize the engine. Take note of the nuber plate, where its from, and if they can where the owner works. Then at a later date go and find the car, open the door, alarm goes off, put the key in, and drive off. Within 48hrs the car would be in bits and/or on a boat overseas. One of the guys ended up going to jail for it. So every time anyone has my car for any period of time I check my security measures (I don't care who they are I still check them).

[turbo_brian]

Guys,

I will give you a story of a professional Hit.

Guy owns a 2006 model Mazda 6 MPS turbo AWD. we do a few mods to it, drives great, pushes 170kw at all 4 wheels (stock is 127kw). We run into a flywheel problem, and literally shatter the clutch on the flywheel, tow it off to Mazda for a warranty job, remove the boost controller solenoid and drop majority of the tinkering bits to stock prior).

Mazda fix the clutch, drive it, and discover the crank is bent, so we get a complete engine build done under warranty. 6 weeks later, engine is rebuilt, car is back to owner, and ready for run-in period of 1,000kms.

Owner takes 2 weeks, runs up 980kms and takes it to Mazda. They go over it, re-tighten everything, perform the full service and the owner picks his car up on the Wednesday from the dealer all done. Friday comes around, and owner is awoken at 4am to the sound of a thud, goes out the front to investigate where he sees his car reverse onto the road and speed off.

Goes to check, no glass, no damage from the car left on the ground, but the moron stealing the car missed reverse and rolled into his garage door bending it quite harshly.

Police come, take prints, check around nothing left on scene as evidence. I come around that night with a friend, and we hit the streets looking for the car, as police suggest it could be involved in ATM hits, or casing for ATMs (this was back when ATM hits where a nightly occurance).

We find nothing, but head out Saturday night to check again. We had a few sneaky ways of spotting his car from others, LED front parkers with the left blinking (figuring thieves are not going to notice it, nor pull the car apart and repair it, and the different MPS wheels from an MPS3 that where fitted, and we doubted the thieves would replace the wheels either).

We stumbled across some dumb morons rebirthing VL Commodores, had a chat to them about our problem, and offered to give them $1,000 cash if they could help us get the car back, but they where no help, wished us luck, and we both moved on.

Come Monday morning, police call my mate, tell him he needs to head to this address to make positive ID of what is potentially his car. They say it wont be going anywhere, so take our time getting there, no point rushing from work. We both head over that night at 9pm, and find 3 segments of chassis. The first segment is the dash section, no front, just a cut from 10cm infront of the firewall, and 30cm back from the pedals. No steering wheel, no dash components (a/c, stereo, etc all gone). 2nd and 3rd section of the car was the rear of the car, cut in half down the middle, no seats, no carpet, no nothing, just the bear metal cut in half.

On the sectons left, there was 3 points where the chassis number was stamped for ID, but the theives knew all 3 and had cut them out, They cut the chassis number on the firewall, under driver seat, and under the rear parcel tray on the bottom, so they knew what they where doing with this moel vehicle.

More food for thought, the ignition barrel was intact on the vehicle, as was the steering lock, this vehicle uses laser-precise cut keys, and massive ECU embedded security.

Something else to mull over, this was the FIRST Mada 6 MPS stolen in NSW, and the 2nd MPS 6 stolen Australia wide, so underground knowledge of the car's security weaknesses, and locations of ID would have been very weak, the car was stolen by someone, or a group of people that knew these cars inside out, and had access to the vehicle prior to do whatever they required for access when they needed it.

Now onto security...

Installation of any alarm is the key to success, cutting the ignition wires at the barrel and jumping your own wires into it is doing nothing but showing a potential hot-wire which wires are more than likely the ones he needs to tamper with.

Installing the alarm model next to the ECU is quite funny as well, because if it's a GPS tracker, the theife has found it as soon as he/she has lifted the carpet, and now has 25 seconds to disable it before it makes the phone call. Device needs to be installed in an area secured from immediate access, somewhere that takes effort to get to.

Relays that cut the fuel system, and power to other areas are fine, but dont wack then on a nice bracket mounted on the firewall, when a theif looks for the alarm system relays, they will see the pretty shiney new relays, as opposed to the dirty old-looking stock relays, and they now have a way to over-ride the relay and turn the fuel pump back on.

Also, dont stick the relays next to the ECU and/or alarm system, this is the same issue.

I have seen hack-jobs where the installer has gone to the trouble of removing the dash, mounting the Alarm system ECU under the middle of the dash, enclosing it into a stock-looking A/C piping box, ducting the cables from the Alarm system, through to the ECU, but then snipping the ECU wires about 10cm off the car's ECU, so anyone with half a brain can see the intercepted ECU wires and snip and tuck them back to normal, fire up and drive off.

And as Chris has said, he wired in an electric fence relay to his car, worked a charm but got him in the shizzle, I also did this not that long ago (sub-5 yrs), wired an electronic fence to an inverter, to a spare battery and wired in my wiper blades when I was having daily issues with the local parking officers, needless to say I got booked the day I wired it in, but after that, I had the police calling me and asking me if I could return to my vehicle for a chat. First thing they asked was for me to lift my wiper and retrieve the parking fine (not slide it out, but lift the blade) to which I refused. At that point they said it would be advisable for me to disable the device, and then return to the station for a voluntary chat with them.....

I was given a warning for this, and threatened with assault charges and all sorts of other charges for attempted assault, malicious bodily damage, etc, but I was friggin lucky the parking officer I electricuted decided not to press charges.

Hope some of the info above is useful for you all.

B.

NOTE: I am not going into what security items I use, needless to say I dont want research done against my car...

[SL33K]

hey there i'm interested in getting one of these - anyone have any more info on it? what's it called? is there anyone in the ACT who can install one? (or failing that - NSW?)

i agree with some of the previous posts - i'm so over car thieves

thanks

I know its late to reply lol

but it is the Autowatch Alarm.... made in South Africa...

dont know the model number. just went and got it installed.

Maybe u get them here. coz i saw a few autowatch alarms here in aus.

[Spurdo]

most late model toyota's have a factory immobilizer embedded within the ecu, i think this is a fantastic idea. the original key has a tiny transmitter in it which activates the ecu when within range, around 3-5 metres i guess. without the original key within range the ecu delivers no ignition and/or fuel to the engine.

this surely is the way to go. my company car at my old job used to do this. didnt even realise until one day we broke the key and got another one cut, but of course engine wouldnt start so i sat around scratching my head for a few minutes before i clicked lol

to my mind, a thief would have to work for toyota (or whoever the manufacturer of the particular car). but even then, replacement keys are farking spendy and im guessing its for that exact reason to stop thieves. we were quoted around $1500 for a new key from toyota. we then managed to get the old one put back together.

i would love to see an aftermarket ecu (such as Link) introduce this feature. that would be epic

Edited July 29, 2010 by jonboy