Skyline = Hoon

[The Bogan]

I just hope the Government doesnt ban Imports or even ban anything other than standard cars because some idiots think its cool doing 300 ks down the freeway or drifting on the way down to the shops, then has a brain fart and kills some poor bugger and his family on the way to a sunday picnic.

Yes its not only Imports that these fools drive but my Skyline looks faster than your average commadore or falcon when its parked, so to the average joe who will write to their Governmemt official about HOON CARS mine will be the one in the paper with a big front page spred saying BAN THESE DEATH MACHINES.

mmmm sounds like about 30 yrs ago when the FORD GTHO had that write up in th paper.

[Dantay]

I can't see what you are getting at here; surely if a person is not a 'hoon', and the media, or anybdy for that matter, lables him/her a 'hoon', then they have a right to be offended!. also, radio and TV have great influence on public attitudes, and programmes like those often seen on ACA etc help perpetuate the idea that most people with an interest in hot cars are a menace to society.

Radio and TV actually have very little power to influence peoples attitudes, sure they can set the public agenda but changing attitudes requires massive amounts of effort.

and when you cop shit from the normal 'brainwashed' public.. and the boys in blue because the media can manipulate the situation.. fair enough that there are hoons in skylines but i think there are more drivers in heap o shit commys and fords that get their licence.. think they are expert drivers and crash and cause havoc..

I love the 'brainwashed masses' argument always leveled at the media. If everyone is brainwashed why aren't you, why is everyone else somehow dumber and more suceptable to media effects then you or every other high horse person who says that? Stop giving the media so much power ffs we are all intelligent beings capable of discerning what we see on shows like TT/ACA!

if Skylines are the pin up car for hoons, who cares... it might increase the amount of people in the market for them. After all in the media it doesn't matter what they say as long as the spell your name right.

[The Bogan]

Media does influence people, look at gun laws, now only the criminals have guns, didnt really work in the way that they wanted but when you force a issue the sheep will follow, also why does the government and industrie spend millions of dollars on advertising if it doesnt work.

The sad fact of the matter is that the world is full of sheep who want to be lead and told what to do, Fortunatly i and some other like minded people understand that you can have power if you respect it and use it only where it is safe to do so, unfoutunatly some people dont and they end up in the media where they give he sheep their daily fix of headlines of how these hoons must be stopped.

[ToMMaH]

so your idea of "harden he f**k up", is to roll over like like a pissing pup and take every kick in the guts the media want to dish out, without a comeback.. great plan!!. a previous poster said perhaps ACA should be invited to attend some meetings where legal car club activities are on display; I reckon that is a good idea; and just maybe it could show the other side of the story, and at least change the attitudes of some.

LOL. Its because nothing is going to change and those storys don't do shit. Just get over them and stop making a big deal. There have in the past been news stories showing a positive light on car clubs and also motorbike gangs. Infact every christmas they are made to look like saints when they deliver toys to kids in hospitals. Whilst they ratio of good to bad stories is uneven they are still there but no one makes a thread about them. Sir your argument is epic fail now go back to your latte.

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

Radio and TV actually have very little power to influence peoples attitudes, sure they can set the public agenda but changing attitudes requires massive amounts of effort.

I love the 'brainwashed masses' argument always leveled at the media. If everyone is brainwashed why aren't you, why is everyone else somehow dumber and more suceptable to media effects then you or every other high horse person who says that?

And thats why 'some' girls (and homos) reading these girly magazines feel they need to diet.. dress different cause these models depict how they should dress.. that's why ads on tv use different tools to make it look like their products are something they arent..

get your hand off it eh... alot of people (including myself) believe things they are told and take it as gospel.. take religion for example.. one of the biggest.. there are millions that believe in a higher existence and life after death because they were told to believe.. they were told this is how it is.. there are some people who believe so much they are prepared to die because they are told this is what they must do to be accepted into their higher plain...

all this is told by the average person.. so you tell me now about why it isnt the case... chinese whispers my friend.. chinese f**king whispers... doesnt mean they are dumb at all.. just means they are shown the one side of a story and it appears more than once and without any other info on the subject they feel this is the norm

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

The topic was just to point out another hoon related incident where they show a skyline where no other car is shown.. i don't care what people read or what they show but otehrs including govt are joining the line.. and will attach to anything related to imports to show they are 'doing something' and when it comes to biting the bullet they will be looking at everyone not just those who are doing the wrong thing..

and yes it will eventually pass but in the mean time who will face the wrath?

[Dantay]

Media does influence people, look at gun laws, now only the criminals have guns, didnt really work in the way that they wanted but when you force a issue the sheep will follow, also why does the government and industrie spend millions of dollars on advertising if it doesnt work.

The sad fact of the matter is that the world is full of sheep who want to be lead and told what to do, Fortunatly i and some other like minded people understand that you can have power if you respect it and use it only where it is safe to do so, unfoutunatly some people dont and they end up in the media where they give he sheep their daily fix of headlines of how these hoons must be stopped.

I'm not sure about your point on gun laws, I was young but I remember Martin Bryant being a major agent for gun law change? Your right about advertising however, there is large cognitive difference between buying the kids wheat-bix and, wait what is it that people actually do about hoons again?

I don't believe the world is full of sheep, besides we aren't talking about the whole world V skyline owners. We live in a time where the "sheep" model of audience has never been more wrong.

And thats why 'some' girls (and homos) reading these girly magazines feel they need to diet.. dress different cause these models depict how they should dress.. that's why ads on tv use different tools to make it look like their products are something they arent..

get your hand off it eh... alot of people (including myself) believe things they are told and take it as gospel.. take religion for example.. one of the biggest.. there are millions that believe in a higher existence and life after death because they were told to believe.. they were told this is how it is.. there are some people who believe so much they are prepared to die because they are told this is what they must do to be accepted into their higher plain...

all this is told by the average person.. so you tell me now about why it isnt the case... chinese whispers my friend.. chinese f**king whispers... doesnt mean they are dumb at all.. just means they are shown the one side of a story and it appears more than once and without any other info on the subject they feel this is the norm

The young girls and body images debate often misses a major part of what makes advertising successful, the way people cognitivly construct their social environment and how they position themselves in that environment.

re the religion point, your talking about something that takes years of education at a young age. I don't even really see the point your making, that doesn't have anything to do with the media especially not the Australian media environment and we have one of the most concentrated media ownerships in the world.

what your saying is that if TT/ACA told you tonight that the sky is green, and always has been. Then you would wake up tomorrow and be shocked to find it blue?

[omy-33]

well there is a place for 'hoons' 2 go already sorta, willowbank is comletely legal, if u wanna drag ur car.

but apart from that if ur on the roa follow the same rules as every1 else.

no1 can stop a hoon, face it, it is just the responsability of the person behind the wheel,

if he wants 2 b an idiot driving next 2 me, yes im tempted 2 push the pedals down an go faster,

but i don't cuz for starters i haven't got much of a license left,

2ndly i don't wanna go 2 jail if sumthin happened an sum1 got killed.

i just think that sum teenagers need 2 grow up an learn 2 b responsable.

i think every1 should agree with that.

Edited August 15, 2008 by omy-33

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

years of education.. they are going to third world countries and spreading the good book and telling them they will have a better life when they die and they are lapping it up.. they are not dumb ppl either so dont try that excuse..

the sky isnt any colour dickhead its just a mere reflection from the earth... this i heard from others so im assuming its true..

the points i made were example to show that people are instinctly sheep.. people follow trends.. emos.. if it is pushed in ur face enough then that is how those WHO DONT SEE IT FOR THEMSELVES are going to depict it... there are countless examples in every day to day life on things that everyone do.. someone start a thread with THINGS PPL BELIEVE AND FOLLOW AS SHEEP and see how many examples are given..

ur obviously going to bend the examples given.. so i'm basically not going into a pointless argument that will go around in circles.. time to pull out the 50 and mellow out

Edited August 15, 2008 by .:: GimpS-R34 ::.

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

well there is a place for 'hoons' 2 go already sorta, willowbank is comletely legal, if u wanna drag ur car.

but apart from that if ur on the roa follow the same rules as every1 else.

no1 can stop a hoon, face it, it is just the responsability of the person behind the wheel,

if he wants 2 b an idiot driving next 2 me, yes im tempted 2 push the pedals down an go faster,

but i don't cuz for starters i haven't got much of a license left,

2ndly i don't wanna go 2 jail if sumthin happened an sum1 got killed.

i just think that sum teenagers need 2 grow up an learn 2 b responsable.

i think every1 should agree with that.

and i agree.. however the story was based on there is no legal places for the skids they do.. and the councillor didnt want a legal one organised saying it will spill onto the streets

the only thing i was pointing out was the fact that a skyline was the tool used again in relation to pointing out hoon behaviour

Edited August 15, 2008 by .:: GimpS-R34 ::.

[Dantay]

year of education.. they are going to third world contires and spreading the good book and telling them they will have a better life when they die and they are lapping it up.. they are not dumb ppl either so dont try that excuse..

the sky isnt any colour dickhead its just a mere reflection from the earth... this i heard from others so im assuming its true..

the points i made were example to show that people are instinctly sheep.. people follow trends.. emos.. if it is pushed in ur face enough then that is how those WHO DONT SEE IT FOR THEMSELVES are going to depict it... there are countless examples in every day to day life on things that everyone do.. someone start a thread with THINGS PPL BELIEVE AND FOLLOW AS SHEEP and see how many examples are given..

ur obviously going to bend the examples given.. so i'm basically not going into a pointless argument that will go around in circles.. time to pull out the 50 and mellow out

your right about the Bible, it is one of the few cases of direct media effects in action. Lots of people call for violent video/street racing games to be banned but its proven that more murders cite the bible as their inspiration rather then video games. So why is no one calling for the Bible to be banned? very off topic I know sorry.

If you believe everything your told like gospel then how come your rebutting me? I've spent the last three years studing media effects dude, people aren't sheep.

[The Bogan]

Hey DANTAY, Ive seen grown men change their point on religion in a heart beat (or at least a lot of heart beats in rapid succession ), all that is needed is a shock to the system, like when that quite guy that everyone takes the piss out of goes cyclic and wastes them, or that hard ass guy who was always in control of any situation breaks down crys uncontrolably like a baby when his dog dies. All that is need is a catalist and people can and do change the views that have had for their entire life.

My theory of the sheep comment is this, Most people are always asking to be lead in the right direction whether that be religiously or commercialy to a end that makes their life easy, have more meaning, or so they can fit in because most people are scared that if they dont fit in or go along with the majority they will be left out in the dark by themselves.

When people are scared the fight or flight senario takes hold which means hidding or banding together with like minded people to change the situation they are in to one that is more secure, which means removing the things that scare them.

IE, Hoon drivers in fast cars killing people, Remove the fast cars and they will feel safe again .

Crazy man with a rifle killing people, Remove the rifles and they will feel safe again.

Whether they fix these things in the long run is mute as they will fee safe now.

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

choice plays a part in what ppl believe.. and is based on what they see.. dude im telling you ppl are sheep.. there will always be those who chose not to accept what they hear or see and that it what defines humanity.. y2k was a big media one where like the sheep we are we all believed it.. however there was those select few who believed that such a mass catastrophy that will majorly change/disrupt the life they follow will not be possible..

are you going to sit there and tell me if the news tonight said that a meteor was going to hit earth within 1 month and it was unavoidable.. that there wouldnt be mass histeria... come on man.. in the technological age we live in today, information and what we are told plays a major part in everyones life.. we go to school and get told how things are and we learn it and teach to others..

Edited August 15, 2008 by .:: GimpS-R34 ::.

[The Bogan]

I SEE YOUR 3 YRS OF STUDY AND RAISE 43 YRS OF EXPERIENCE.

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

Hey DANTAY, Ive seen grown men change their point on religion in a heart beat (or at least a lot of heart beats in rapid succession ), all that is needed is a shock to the system, like when that quite guy that everyone takes the piss out of goes cyclic and wastes them, or that hard ass guy who was always in control of any situation breaks down crys uncontrolably like a baby when his dog dies. All that is need is a catalist and people can and do change the views that have had for their entire life.

My theory of the sheep comment is this, Most people are always asking to be lead in the right direction whether that be religiously or commercialy to a end that makes their life easy, have more meaning, or so they can fit in because most people are scared that if they dont fit in or go along with the majority they will be left out in the dark by themselves.

When people are scared the fight or flight senario takes hold which means hidding or banding together with like minded people to change the situation they are in to one that is more secure, which means removing the things that scare them.

IE, Hoon drivers in fast cars killing people, Remove the fast cars and they will feel safe again .

Crazy man with a rifle killing people, Remove the rifles and they will feel safe again.

Whether they fix these things in the long run is mute as they will fee safe now.

beautiful man.. just beautiful

it shows my point.. people believe follow like sheep cause they instinctively don't want to be alone .. there are those who feel the need to go off and explore and this is ultimately where choice plays its part..

so now that we've had d&m convos in a car related forum LOL poker anyone?

Edited August 15, 2008 by .:: GimpS-R34 ::.

[The Bogan]

My cars in the shop,brake n suspension upgrade, new ecu, and other odds and sods.

Sorry about the raving, im bored.

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

i think one thing that this topic has shown is the fact that on both sides show that people will believe what they chose to believe and when shown things then they make up their mind.. not just in media.. however the media use this to however they chose to.. manipulation or not.. deny if you must but you can add this to your studys..

tell me dantay.. where does ur study come from.. other people? books written by others? the media perhaps? lol or what you have seen and made up your mind? the real cunundrum is how can you be sure that what your saying isnt a manipulation of what others have influenced you on lol now that one if you think about it can have a lifetime of thought trying to figure that out huh

greater men than urself have fought over things they've heard/seen and like sheep will fight to the death cause of what they've chosen to believe

now you've made me spend my day at 'work' discussing this... come on dantay, i've got a raging boner over the excitement of this heated discussion and your leaving me hanging?

Edited August 15, 2008 by .:: GimpS-R34 ::.

[The Bogan]

People will also change their life long and even generations long belives if needed. IE, Taliban say no to growing drugs and kill any farmer that does, THEN, Taliban get arses kicked and need money quick because the Paki@#$%^ govt charges alot of money for guns and stuff, so now the Taliban kills the farmers that dont grow drugs because they take most of the money of the farmers, and if the farmers say no because that growing drugs is wrong and against their religion the Talian then cutoff there heads which then changes the minds of the other farmers.

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

lol.. iraq are carrying weapons of mass destruction reports the media.. attack screams the people.. oh they are not there.. liars scream the people

muslims are all suicide bombers who want the destruction of the first world countries..

black people are inferior screams the kkk... a clan they have now

cults... and some cult members are smarter than most people.. and you sit there to tell me that people are smarter than to be brainwashed by others..

Edited August 15, 2008 by .:: GimpS-R34 ::.

[The Bogan]

I think the KURDS would say otherwise