Stroker Kit Of Choice

[DVSGOD]

9 sec pass in what car?

Has it done the 9 sec pass yet?

Did you build the motor yourself?

What parts did you use? Care to list up all the bits?

If you read the post,its sitting on a stand so yes this is still all in theory , much like A Rips HP Claim..its going into a r32 gtr..

No..Im just supplying the money only..

[DVSGOD]

the funny thing is.. the guy didnt even look on the rips website first as i pulled this from there site a couple seconds ago.

"RB30 Bare forged bottom ends (short block), start at NZD$10,450 (suit minimum 750hp and 8000 rpm)"

I dont think you actualy read my post ,go back and try again..

[rb26s13]

I dont think you actualy read my post ,go back and try again..

you seem to have a great vendetta against rips.. honestly i dont give a shit, i dont have any experience with rips so im neither for or against this stupid pointless OFFTOPIC argument thats goin on in this thread... but most of wat ive heard has been good about them.. and there fuel systems to look tasty and gives me ideas for when i get around to making my own.

[Lithium]

If you read the post,its sitting on a stand so yes this is still all in theory , much like A Rips HP Claim..its going into a r32 gtr..

No..Im just supplying the money only..

So RIPS has provided video of 8 and 9s cars he has built, dyno plots, information on what he has built and has a bunch of happy customers. You come to the thread with a large percentage of your total posts on this forum making completely unsubstantiated claims to try and discredit someone who is really putting NZ on the map by doing good quality work and producing results and happy customers. Its funny how the only people who bag RIPS aren't people who have had work done by him....

Considering that a lower spec RIPS motor (unreinforced block, stock crank etc) has blown away Croyden Supra's "street car" record in NZ by nearly a second which the Croydens car was running apparently 900-1000hp to do I don't know what you are on about. Would be quite keen to see this "1200hp" HT GTR dyno plot too, if you are so well connected.

You are right, a 2.6 can do the RH9 thing - but it sounds like the guy would like something streetable too. Having spoke to Joe Kyle running a 2.6litre with a T51R in NZ and who has been trying for ages to crack the 9s mark (after years of trying is still .5s away from RIPS' only effort a much heavier car thats had a single shot at it) he says the car is a piece of shit to drive on the road, laggy as hell. I guess you get what you pay for.

Can only imagine what the Blue R34 would have done on an Oz track with a bit of weight removed, its full power utilised and a clean run done using a sequential gearbox - I would bet more than a marmite sandwich it wouldn't be a fair race for the still much lighter Hioctane R32 GTR. Thats not a dig at the Hioctane car, massive effort with what its got.

Edited September 12, 2008 by Lithium

[rb26s13]

umm hi octane is a track dedicated car.. not really a reference as a drag car allthough still suprisingly quick

another thing i do find rather amusing from DVSGOD is the fact that he even said it himself.. he wont list specs he just hands over the money.

i also believe the HT car thing is bullshit.. 1200hp would be a underestimate in my opinion..

Edited September 12, 2008 by rb26s13

[Dynamix]

The word RIPS use here is From..When Rob started out on SDU many years ago the price was "from" but always ballooned out to more,that is not a quote,tread wisely.

Funny, i aksed for a quote and got that price from the email he sent me about 6 months ago, this isn't "many years ago" so mabye you should catch up with the times.

Where in the 600hp/7200rpm build does it mention "new" bits and a trust oil pump? Rob used to use all preloved/used factory bits and a new factoryoil pump.this could of changed though.

A RB26 bottom end Will support 600hp no worrys mate, Id rather spend that money towards the head on the 26 and chuck in some poncams etc etc ,as Rob says ,its all in the tune at how reliable the engine will be and BTW you still need to find a head to put on this godlike block ,why doesnt he use the single cam one that came from the 30? oh thats right its a hybrid engine so cannotall be atributed to the 3 litre..it still needs a 26 or 25 head to work.

I don't know how you're going to build a 600hp reliable bottom end for $3000 ~ $4000, and if you think a standard rb26 bottom end is gonna last you're taking the piss, you also didnt mention that your rebuild is still gonna need the rb26 head and WOW what do you know, a gtr comes with one, the same one you could stick ontop the rb30.

Now you want to talk Nonsense..17g on a 1200 hp forged bottom end??You get this 1200 hp from where?Rips? haha rightttttttt..

The bottom end is rated at 1200hp, and the price is $13,500 as previosuly stated, its right on the rips website, you may wanna check it out and stop posting lies on this forum, its all on the wbesite. The turbo/tuning makes the power, not a bottom end, not rips.

Rob do you still use that shitty old rolling road dyno ? Iv seen dyno plots on a 300zx where there was 100kws atw difference between that dyno and a dynapak one..the dyno you use giving this higher reading.

What sort of HP were the two fastest GTRs in NZ claiming? I know from someone working at St Hi Tec in auckland New Zealand that HT were round the 1200 hp mark.Does this bring it into perspective yet?(The car was using the ST dynapak for tuning)

Once you drop under 10seconds on the 1/4 0ne second is a long way off and thousands more dollers so 2 seconds is f**kin miles away,there is weight difference here also granted but wake up and smell the coffee here guys.

The last r34 gt-r they built was 980hp@wheels, tested on there dyno and in the uk for some power runs... oh and its first maiden shake down pass it ran a 9.7 second 1/4 mile with a bad launch, hitting the limitor in a car he'd never driven before, weight of the car was 1780kg from memory. Need i say more.

A surpposed 1200hp bottom end to get into the nines,its already been noted that you can get into the nines on 2530s a near 500- 600hp difference??? 1200 hp?um right.

The thread starter wanted to know what strokerkit he would need to become a true Rh9 car..he also listed that "keep the 26" as an option..

This one did make me laugh pretty hard. Again the $13.5k bottom end is rated at 1200hp, you dont have to buy it when you could buy the 750+hp bottom end for $7k, its not rocket science. You think you can run 600hp and do 9's with a street weighted car running 2530's, you have to being joking, seriously, what a joke. There's only one car thats dipped into the 9's as far as i'm aware on 2530's, and its a RACE car (mark berry russel newman) with carbon parts galore, stripped interior, side exit exhaust and so on. The second car is twoogle, its about the closest of the pair to a streeter, but it to is stripped inside and it runs gt-rs turbos (well used to).. part from those two you're not gonna get into the nines with those combo's and a full weight street car and 600hp, not gonna happen.

My choice would be work on the 26 and save your money..2530s on a 26 are a beautiful set up for a street GTR.It has been said here that it has taken cars into the 9s .It wouldnt be my choice ,Id use a T04z,No matter what these so called "Internet Turbo Gurus" tell you ,that turbo will get you there and is very streetable if tuned correctly..My proof has already been revealed here in this thread ,2530s did it so the T04z will easily thats all that needs saying.

2530's are a beautiful combo on the 26 for the sreet, but no way in hell they gonna take a street car into the 9's, why do you think there's only one car in the world (that can be proved) that has done a 9 second pass on them? If you think a t04z will do it "easily" yo might want to rethink what you wrote, why isn't there 1000's of rh9 gtr's running around if its as easy as whacking on a t04z?

You are quite entitled to your opinion, but you need to back it up with facts and be realistic. 9 second quaters miles are no walk in the park like you make them out to be.

[Lithium]

umm hi octane is a track dedicated car.. not really a reference as a drag car allthough still suprisingly quick

I know, why I said its impressive for what it is - still is (aside from power) more suited to drag runs than the R34 GTR mentioned here. Maybe a better example would have been "Put the R34 GTR's engine in Hi Octane's GTR". On that note, aren't they actually going to an RB30 now?

Edited September 12, 2008 by Lithium

[rb26s13]

I know, why I said its impressive for what it is - still is (aside from power) more suited to drag runs than the R34 GTR mentioned here. Maybe a better example would have been "Put the R34 GTR's engine in Hi Octane's GTR". On that note, aren't they actually going to an RB30 now?

why put the engine in? the engine wouldnt be the problem if they wanted to go fasted for drag, it'd be suspension and other things like gearing.

[jonn]

If you read the post,its sitting on a stand so yes this is still all in theory , much like A Rips HP Claim..its going into a r32 gtr..

No..Im just supplying the money only..

Well when the theory becomes fact and you actually run the time get back to us.

Would really like to here some specs etc on the engine. Maybe you can post up a dyno chart, spec list etc in the RB26 Dyno thread when it's all done.

[wrxkilla]

hi all,

thanks for f**king up a great thread with bitchfights.

I'm genuinely interested in peoples experiences with the different stroker kits too. havent unfortunatley seen as many dyno sheets as I wanted too....

[Lithium]

I'm genuinely interested in peoples experiences with the different stroker kits too. havent unfortunatley seen as many dyno sheets as I wanted too....

Sorry about that - though I think most of the blame should be pointed at one distinct person, when on forums it takes a single rotten apple with a bee under their bonnet about something and make claims to discredit a company or way of doing things when its not actually true people kindof have to make it clear that its not true to stop misinformation bleeding through the information superhighway. It ruins the thread, but realistically the moment people join a thread and start putting bollux in it - it has already lost its usefulness as a place to get information. The difference is that until people state otherwise people who find it won't necessarily know that its been hit with BS.

[rev210]

The word RIPS use here is From..When Rob started out on SDU many years ago the price was "from" but always ballooned out to more,that is not a quote,tread wisely.

Where in the 600hp/7200rpm build does it mention "new" bits and a trust oil pump? Rob used to use all preloved/used factory bits and a new factoryoil pump.this could of changed though.

A RB26 bottom end Will support 600hp no worrys mate, Id rather spend that money towards the head on the 26 and chuck in some poncams etc etc ,as Rob says ,its all in the tune at how reliable the engine will be and BTW you still need to find a head to put on this godlike block ,why doesnt he use the single cam one that came from the 30? oh thats right its a hybrid engine so cannotall be atributed to the 3 litre..it still needs a 26 or 25 head to work.

Now you want to talk Nonsense..17g on a 1200 hp forged bottom end??You get this 1200 hp from where?Rips? haha rightttttttt..

Rob do you still use that shitty old rolling road dyno ? Iv seen dyno plots on a 300zx where there was 100kws atw difference between that dyno and a dynapak one..the dyno you use giving this higher reading.

What sort of HP were the two fastest GTRs in NZ claiming? I know from someone working at St Hi Tec in auckland New Zealand that HT were round the 1200 hp mark.Does this bring it into perspective yet?(The car was using the ST dynapak for tuning)

Once you drop under 10seconds on the 1/4 0ne second is a long way off and thousands more dollers so 2 seconds is f**kin miles away,there is weight difference here also granted but wake up and smell the coffee here guys.

A surpposed 1200hp bottom end to get into the nines,its already been noted that you can get into the nines on 2530s a near 500- 600hp difference??? 1200 hp?um right.

The thread starter wanted to know what strokerkit he would need to become a true Rh9 car..he also listed that "keep the 26" as an option..

My choice would be work on the 26 and save your money..2530s on a 26 are a beautiful set up for a street GTR.It has been said here that it has taken cars into the 9s .It wouldnt be my choice ,Id use a T04z,No matter what these so called "Internet Turbo Gurus" tell you ,that turbo will get you there and is very streetable if tuned correctly..My proof has already been revealed here in this thread ,2530s did it so the T04z will easily thats all that needs saying.

What I'm hearing you say is that there is some sort of 'bargain' mentality that should be used when going for a sub ten 1/4 mile car? I'm not sure if you are taking this line in general or just bashing Rob.

There is a difference between a GTR that does a 9 once on a motor and one that will do it consistanly for a season or two. You get to claim engine building reputation on aspects like the latter. Rob's prices are very tame actually for the kind of power they are capable of if you think about the race motor industry as a whole not just the guys doing the 'import motor' part.

I know someone who ran a 10 on a very old stock Rb26 powered GTR with bolt ons and for interest had a mate that whacked a bunch of nitrous into a stock bottom end 460 cube motor to run a 9. They both did it once only and I wouldn't call the motors a keeper. It might be possible to 'not build' a 1200hp second hand Rb26 for a one run wonder and that would prove nothing.

There is something to be said for people who don't want to trust internet motor build DIY's and instead invest some substansial money in someones know how. The race season will determine the 'rip off'.

Just my 2c

[R.I.P.S NZ]

this is still all in theory , much like A Rips HP Claim.

I don't know who you are or what you seem to have against me and your entitled to your opinion and your entitled to spend your money where ever you like but please get your facts straight if your going to post, its all pretty clear on the website.

If you'd actually take a step back and take the time to learn some basic maths you'd realise that the mph we have done in cars V the weight of the car perfectly matches the dyno figures we have published so how can they be all rubbish?

You can't get 1350kg to run 162mph (in street trim and on street tyres) without at least 950whp so I don't think its unrealistic to say its making about 1100bhp? care to comment on that?

And if the Blue 34, on the same dyno, made even more whp in 4wd mode than we measured with the 8.7 car in 2wd would it not be safe to assume that the engine might in fact be making a bit more than 1100hp?

Alot of people try for years to get a GTR alot lighter than the blue R34 into the 9s and I managed a 9.7 on its 1st ever pass which was a total f^#k up so I was actually pretty happy with that result for a 1740kg car.

HT need to have around 1250-1300whp to run 190mph if their car weighs about 1100kg so I'd say they'd be WAY over the 1200hp you say they are making.

I wish you all the luck in the world with your goal of a 9 second GTR and when you get your motor off the stand and into the car and if you run a 9 on your very 1st pass I'll be the first to come and shake your hand, if I knew who you were of course.

Rob

[SysLink67]

Does anyone have a HKS stroker kit fitted to their R32 GTR that can run a 10sec 1/4 in WA...... besides ant scali ( xspeed )

Jonn have a fully built HKS Kit in his 32 and gets 11's and I'm pretty sure Gav does aswell....

Surely there must be one. From what im reading atm a RIPS RB30/26 is the best bang for buck... but like a few people have said you have to a head rebuild, port n polish and then there's the matter of finding someone that can tune it and fins the right set of cams to run and setup.

Still don't know which way to go....

Want 600HP at the wheels, want a 10 sec 1/4 mile and a very reliable , drivable street car.

[Dynamix]

Does anyone have a HKS stroker kit fitted to their R32 GTR that can run a 10sec 1/4 in WA...... besides ant scali ( xspeed )

Jonn have a fully built HKS Kit in his 32 and gets 11's and I'm pretty sure Gav does aswell....

Surely there must be one. From what im reading atm a RIPS RB30/26 is the best bang for buck... but like a few people have said you have to a head rebuild, port n polish and then there's the matter of finding someone that can tune it and fins the right set of cams to run and setup.

Still don't know which way to go....

Want 600HP at the wheels, want a 10 sec 1/4 mile and a very reliable , drivable street car.

If i where you, I'd find a workshop that gets proven results from their R&D and go with someone thats gonna get results from a combo they've tried and tested. Anway way you want to go, 2.6, 2.8 3,0 you can achive your goal, but one of the most important things is the poeple screwing the thing together and selecting/advising (cams matched to turbo/ecu/displacement/power vs weight/rpm ect) which combination will work best and what they use to achive your goal.

[Gav]

Does anyone have a HKS stroker kit fitted to their R32 GTR that can run a 10sec 1/4 in WA...... besides ant scali ( xspeed )

Jonn have a fully built HKS Kit in his 32 and gets 11's and I'm pretty sure Gav does aswell....

Surely there must be one. From what im reading atm a RIPS RB30/26 is the best bang for buck... but like a few people have said you have to a head rebuild, port n polish and then there's the matter of finding someone that can tune it and fins the right set of cams to run and setup.

Still don't know which way to go....

Want 600HP at the wheels, want a 10 sec 1/4 mile and a very reliable , drivable street car.

If the 3 criteria you use (600hp, 10s 1/4 mile, reliable/drivable on the street) is indeed all that you really care about, then a standard RB26 with nitrous is your answer. If you want something that you can use for track work as well, then that's a different matter.

I've run an 11.1 with R comps and full interior at the drags, which suggests that there is a 10s pass likely with a bit of preparation. I'm sure Jonn with his similar spec engine to mine also would do this. As would Matt (silver R32) with his RB30/-5 setup.

I've had the pleasure of driving quite a few different set-ups on the circuit now, all doing sub 65s on the long track at Wanneroo. These include a standard 2.6, Jun 2.7, my HKS 2.8, and an RB30. Each has their strengths and weaknesses.

I'm not going to try and convince anyone which is better, but I'm always happy to answer PM's for anyone who in genuinely going down this route. I've even been known to let the odd person take it for a drive to see for themselves the torque and response of the HKS kit with small terbs and a lot of headwork (oversized valved, cc'd chambers and flow bench etc). Just stay away for the concrete barriers at Barbagallo's

[SysLink67]

Thanks for that info Gav.

So from your exp with standard 2.6, Jun 2.7, my HKS 2.8, and an RB30 at the track what would be the strengths and weakness's of each?

standard but built 2.6 -

pros

cons

Jun 2.7 -

pros

cons

Your HKS 2.8

pros

cons

and most importantly RB30/26

pros

cons

I was leaning towards a HKS 2.8 kit with my 2860-5's which I already have and I was going to get uprated valve train and run 272 / 272 10.5 cams with apexi power fc D-jettro

The reason / goal was to get a very response street car that is built tough is realible and can do 10's in street trim and maintians good driveabilty.

If the 3 criteria you use (600hp, 10s 1/4 mile, reliable/drivable on the street) is indeed all that you really care about, then a standard RB26 with nitrous is your answer. If you want something that you can use for track work as well, then that's a different matter.

I've run an 11.1 with R comps and full interior at the drags, which suggests that there is a 10s pass likely with a bit of preparation. I'm sure Jonn with his similar spec engine to mine also would do this. As would Matt (silver R32) with his RB30/-5 setup.

I've had the pleasure of driving quite a few different set-ups on the circuit now, all doing sub 65s on the long track at Wanneroo. These include a standard 2.6, Jun 2.7, my HKS 2.8, and an RB30. Each has their strengths and weaknesses.

I'm not going to try and convince anyone which is better, but I'm always happy to answer PM's for anyone who in genuinely going down this route. I've even been known to let the odd person take it for a drive to see for themselves the torque and response of the HKS kit with small terbs and a lot of headwork (oversized valved, cc'd chambers and flow bench etc). Just stay away for the concrete barriers at Barbagallo's

[SLY33]

I'm genuinely interested in peoples experiences with the different stroker kits too. havent unfortunatley seen as many dyno sheets as I wanted too....

I am also interested in peoples experiences, but i think the problem is that the poll is not specific enough. A million people can give their opinion on which kit theyd like to spend their $$ on should the opportunity arise, all that might achieve is tell us what brand name people like and nothing in relation to real world performance.

Theres around 50 votes for jap strokers alone, maybe a quarter of those at best votes are experience/results based?

Im not saying people without any experience shouldnt have voted as it does basically ask us what kit we would choose, hell i have a stroker kit and cant even give any feedback on it yet other than all the bits look nice

Gav, please take the time to give your feedback on the various kits youve driven, i think it would be one of the more useful posts in this thread.

Yes unfortunately this thread has gone off road, but its good to see professional and objective responses from RIPS despite some uncalled for attacks and dodgy factual posts.

[R.I.P.S NZ]

Here's a couple of vids showing a pretty basic combination in a full weight R34 on 19inch wheels on a normal road, 0-130mph in 10 seconds:

This car has one of our normal forged 4wd bottom ends, a good head with tomei cams and a TO4z

This shows the response and torque from quite low rpm:

Here it is driving at about 1300rpm in 6th to show how smooth it is, then going into 1st:

I've had some guys come for rides who said they'd been in some pretty hot 26 powered GTRs, as in 700-750hp, and they've all agreed this car would eat them for breakfast.

I feel the reason for this is due to the fact that although these 26 cars may have had 700-750hp peek on a dyno sheet they don't have the torque and response we can get from a well setup 30.

I had one car come here that made about 700whp and the owner could only run 14s at the drags due to the lack of torque and massive lag between gears, if you nailed it at 3-4000rpm in 4th almost nothing happened at all for a very long time so IMHO a peek power figure is not anywhere near as important as some people think, there's alot more to it.

Rob

[PM-R33]

Some great posts and info in this thread guys, keep it coming

The more and more i read about these R.I.P.S rb30 conversions, the more im thinking of them being a really good priced package compared to other options.