On Market For An Ecu

[MBS206]

Adaptronic e420b

Google it. It's an aussie made ecu

[Bond]

the fact retuning doesnt cost a bomb either also adds to things if you say change I/C, mild turbo, cams and so on where a remap suddenly becomes unviable in my book once you've had to retune it more than once.

The remaps that are 'sent in the mail' i have no faith in, as every car is different.

I get what your saying but i only have to pay for dyno time when i want a retune.......not done through the mail.

[R31Nismoid]

^^ well if you can tune it yourself then fair enough. Your different to 'average' as such

But with most of those R33 remap style its a whole new chip etc, so it not economical long term for the average person who will see a few most throughout the cars life cycle

[Bond]

^^Its a dr drift remap which enables a live tune on the dyno. With this available i dont see the point of getting an aftermarket ecu for a street car unless you want to run a map sensor.

[SiR_RB]

im in the same boat, same car too, usual first stage mods on 10psi, want to up that to 12psi, and get sum sort of ecu or piggy bak.

im on a budget so tossing up between an apexi safc or toshi remap...?

aim is around 200rwkw

can a safc net you those type of gains? or are the gains too small?

[Sloane]

Spoke to Dan from Redline EFI today

He said not to bother with Power FC and look at getting a NisTune.

Aprox $1100

includes ecu, install, tune.

For a R33 i will need a Z32 ECU or AFM

or Haltech ECU for $1795

not including fitting and tuning.

he gave me a estimated price on it being fitted and installed and said $880 to be safe.

He didn't say the Nistune was bad compared to haltech but they had their pro's and cons.

[Dr_Drift]

^^ well if you can tune it yourself then fair enough. Your different to 'average' as such

But with most of those R33 remap style its a whole new chip etc, so it not economical long term for the average person who will see a few most throughout the cars life cycle

We've got a source for the boards like in your old ECU, eprom conversion! So no more H8 $$ every time you tune just pay for dyno time... Also works well with Nistune, and if you buy a moates emulator and fit that, then you have usb real time tuning which any tuner should be able to tune easily as the Nistune software is in plain english

Spoke to Dan from Redline EFI today

He said not to bother with Power FC and look at getting a NisTune.

Aprox $1100

includes ecu, install, tune.

For a R33 i will need a Z32 ECU or AFM

or Haltech ECU for $1795

not including fitting and tuning.

he gave me a estimated price on it being fitted and installed and said $880 to be safe.

He didn't say the Nistune was bad compared to haltech but they had their pro's and cons.

Is Nistune specifically avail for the 33 yet without use of eprom board and moates emulator? Hmm... maybe have to speak more with Matt??

[R31Nismoid]

We've got a source for the boards like in your old ECU, eprom conversion! So no more H8 $$ every time you tune just pay for dyno time... Also works well with Nistune, and if you buy a moates emulator and fit that, then you have usb real time tuning which any tuner should be able to tune easily as the Nistune software is in plain english

yeah i know you've come leagues since the 2004/5 in that respect...

I was more meaning the Toshi maps and stuff that get sent around the country without actually seeing the car, on the dyno, what its doing etc.

They IMO are risky, and wouldn't be the best tune as you've gotta tune so conservatively to account for every car that the cars would inevitably feel flat and lazy.

I wouldnt mind seeing all the tuning stuff now after all those years and 'issues' with that ECU haha

I'll buzz ya next week mate.

[Dr_Drift]

Same, would be good to catch up

[STATUS]

I was more meaning the Toshi maps and stuff that get sent around the country without actually seeing the car, on the dyno, what its doing etc.

They IMO are risky, and wouldn't be the best tune as you've gotta tune so conservatively to account for every car that the cars would inevitably feel flat and lazy.

not attacking toshi but i agree, you CANNOT trust an over the counter ecu you to give both decen gains and safety.... it is IMPOSSIBLE.

[Toshi]

I am making chip each cars.

I send remap ecu to custermer and custermer go to dyno for check AFR and ping etc.

Custermer send me dyno sheet AFR x rpm over the internet.

If AFR not good or pinging , flat spot , no power etc I will send another chip to custermer.

And custermer go to dyno again for check.

Check AFR and ping etc around $80-90 each time on dyno.(normaly 1-2 times)

If custermer is not happy I will send back money to custermer.

[siddr20]

I feel toshis remap is a great option for those who dont really wanna go full out.

I had no need to go bigger turbo etc.

So toshis remap for my stock turbo was well worth it.

Why spend 1000 on power fc plus tune when i could spent 400 for same result.

IM talking about usual mods such as stock turbo, full exhaust, pod, fmic.

So for me this was the best option and the results were same as a power fc tune. I still achieved 200kw, no flat spots and damn good mid-range full!!

There are a fair amount of cars with bigger turbos toshi as remapped with good results. So this could be an option for others who dont wanna spend so much. Also for those who want to upgrade later on. That is just stick with the bigger turbo, injectors etc...

Each to their own and what they wanna achieve at the end of the day!!

[KISIN]

what are poeple thoughts on the ViPec plug in boards ? How much are they and whats the difference between them and the actual V44/88 ecu's performance wise ?

[Kranker]

Yeh im with KISIN ^^

Would like to know a bit more about the Vipec ...prob shouldnt hijack though, deserves its own thread

Can the avid enthusiast tune and tweak them himself (much like a PFC) from home, or are they closer to the HKS f con which needs a usb thingo and a trained tuner?

From what ive read they look like a good option instead of a Power FC...

[Sloane]

I'm curious as to why so many use PFC but Dan from Redline EFI dislikes them.

is there any other tuners or users here who are against PFC's??

[SiR_RB]

if any one here is selling an apexi safc 2....let me no !

[bumble_bee]

yeah, im in the market for a aftermarket ecu too..

power fc is pretty pricy..well i reckon then u gota get it tuned..

so here perth, u'll be looking just under the $2000grand mark..

and afew place here in perth do nistune..but NOT for R33 YET!!!

hyperdrive, perthz,c-red etc..do nistune...for most models..but yet nothing for 33's

i rang a few..and asked if i could use a r32ecu and remap that wit nistune...

but still no go...

now my only option is to get an rechipped r33 ecu from "toshi" from the east..for around $400..no tuning required!!!

but i still need more info on this ecu...

now if you go to the nistune website..

www.nistune.com

it talk about in the faq section..

"Unlike any other type of daughterboards available for Nissan vehicles on the market, NIStune boards are the only real-time tuning solution available on a single small standalone board.

Once initially programmed, the NIStune board is permanently installed in the owners ECU (engine control unit). The ECU can then be tuned on a dyno via either the USB connector for Type 1 boards or Consult port for Type 2-4 boards.

Combined with the powerful user friendly NIStune software, real-time monitoring, map tracing and tuning is quick and simple"

but from what i read on other topics "toshi" R33 remap is done by daughterboards...

another thing..that drdrift uses a Japanese EPROM board ECU??which can use nistune!!!!!!and works wit R33's!!!!!!!!!

can someone please compare these two......

is nistune the way to go?coz u CAN get re-tuned by local tuners...

more info on this would be great

thanks

[paulr33]

powerfc in terms of cost, reliablity, # of tuners, features, out of the box ready to go and ease

[Toshi]

Drdrift and my daughterboard is same.

Daughterboard is able to use NISTUNE software.

If you want to buy daughterboard, its expensive.

My tune base data and daughterboard(fitted) cost $700-850 depends exchange rate and mods.

If no data and only daughterboard , local tuner can not tune.

Because daughterboard work only daughterboard data.

Also if local tuner do not have base data , dyno time take long time.

Power FC is alrady tune data in power fc and tuner is changing power fc tune data.

If tuner make tune data from std ecu map I think can not finish only 1day.

[bumble_bee]

hey toshi, siddr20 says its $400??

is that just for the daughterboard data??

coz.. im interested in getting one of ur remap boards..

but yeah..

so what the deal? you send me an R33ecu, with a daughterboard installed with tuned data?

for $700-850...and then i just send mine back to you...that correct??