Honda's And Their Vtecs

[mad082]

Carby, I presume? One of my mates have cracked into the 13s with a not overly modified VTEC CRX.

dunno. it's an old one. and it is pretty fucked

[CR34M]

Not 100% sure what your point is - those types of threads appear in all sorts of forums. I couple pick any, hell this one is pretty sad. Someone even implied their NA R34 can deal to 1.8 VTEC Integras, that kind of talk belongs alongside a thread about a dude claiming his VTEC Integra can smoke GTRs. As usual in those threads there are some with wool over their eyes and others who are saying "WTF mate?"

(Edit: Just realised you said Integra, i mentioned it was a VTiR...assuming VTiR's are all Preludes? not Integras?)

Was Only genuinely asking if there was something seriously wrong with his car, he left the line before me and i still caught him and got half a car in front of him without too much problem. We were just having a bit of fun. But what i was saying was to be adressed to the start of this topic, if you read the thread it was about honda boys talking up that they COULD beat GTR's hence this does belong like you said with those type of threads cause it is one! if you read other comments within this thread there are more that say the same thing. I don't think my N/A is a fast car, i think its a reliable car and a platform to move from. I only asked in reason why hasnt there been many magazines etc in past years that hailed the V-Tec's as a performance car. Why hasnt their been a touring group of them? Other than NSX in super GT etc...

I would pressume they are just like every other car, nothing too special, but has its good/bad points like most other cars, there are few breeds of cars that have an outstanding balance of quality and hit a good point in manufacturing with several great qualities. I do personally believe GTR's were some of those cars i believe older model Ferrari's such as the likes of the F40's etc cars like Porsche 911's blah blah are types of cars that have that refinement and balance (Not talking aboout power here). So my question was...is the 'V-Tec' engine in the many cars its been placed in so great?

As for the video i watched it, and that Integra is great, good for him i hope he continues to hold the Honda name for their sake, cause people like that are why Honda has a decent reputation.

As for the whole wake up and become a honda fan boy, yeh well i got carried away i personally wouldn't buy one, thats my preference, my realitive goal is to someday own a new model GTR BNR34 and above, i already am in the processes of contacting Nissan to purchase a RB26DETT from them for my N/A and build this car so i am on my way. So im not a honda bashing person saying skylines are better i just think in MY OPINION that Skylines are a better option especially the later models.

But then again what did you expect from a thread like this on a Skyline site? If you expected one of the younger Sau members (like myself) to say honda's are the best thing and defend them here well then your clearly in the wrong forums.

Thought id try and clear that up for you, sorry if it was a tad long

[Cubes]

I've taken off briskly at the lights to have commondoors, multiple NA R33's scream past (abiet slowly) and no doubt they have thought i was 'dragging' when really i was simply taking off briskly. Which is still probably 7-8secs or so to 100km/h.

Possibly this is what occurred with the honda. He took off briskly and the Honda sailed past thinking it fully street raced his arse.

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200kw at the wheels in a 1000kg car will offer similar performance to ~270rwkw (depending on power delivery lag mid range torque etc) or so in a 1300kg R32 GTST.

burkill.. What power at the wheels is your 'mates' 'fully worked' b16a making? Power to weight IS king. What year is the CRX?

[Cubes]

and yet my magna (which ran a 14.8 at willowbank) i could accelerate full biscuit and not have a hand on the wheel.

Bloody nora what magna was this?

All the ones I've driven new from factory have had some fairly severe torque steer problems especially compared to the fwd Mazda's.

The VRX's are exceptionally bad with their LSD. One year the LSD was very tight massive torque steer definitely a both hand white knuckled job on the steering wheel on corner exit, following year they loosed the lsd off and years following they continued to loosen it off until the last model (380) there was basically No LSD. :S

[CR34M]

I've taken off briskly at the lights to have commondoors, multiple NA R33's scream past (abiet slowly) and no doubt they have thought i was 'dragging' when really i was simply taking off briskly. Which is still probably 7-8secs or so to 100km/h.

Possibly this is what occurred with the honda. He took off briskly and the Honda sailed past thinking it fully street raced his arse.

I don't know if that was in reference to me but if it was, it was at lights both from standstill he asked me to run him i said ok, i driven his car before and i feel that my car drives better (maybe cause im used to it).

He definately gave it a go cause he asked me after what i had done to car and when i said it only had 2.5" exhaust and some wider tires (namely 245 front and 265 rear) he just laughed and went wth, then he stated his car might be stuffed. That was first and only time i have dragged at a set of lights and against a v-tec car. So i just assumed they wernt so good but hearing people's statements i assume there really was something wrong with his car. But like i said i dont know if that was directed at me or not... so sorry if it wasnt!

But then again i've had stock GTST's ask me to run them from start and i have stayed with them the whole way to 120K until they just shit on me. done same with a GTiR and a Soarer that was definately turbo im guessing single.

Maybe i got lucky with a good engine? lmao i don't know but even mates say it takes off too well for a non turbo car...i havn;t done anything to it either other than exhaust and tires... :S Then again Kris's R33 with only 190Rw shat all over my car from start to finish so maybe there is just a number of cars out there that arnt looked after well

I do wanna dyno my car and see wha it makes out of curiosity even though i know it wont be much...but theres just something about the way it goes...its done 36 thousand Legit k's i got lucky with it very good condition compared to other Skylines i have seen and also replaced the clutch cause i learnt manual on it from scratch with no help and let othe rpeople drive it at round 32K and sorta blew one day...woops...

And i have driven much higher powered cars before so it snot like i have just driven this and im making some sort of deal about it...

[Lithium]

He definately gave it a go cause he asked me after what i had done to car and when i said it only had 2.5" exhaust and some wider tires (namely 245 front and 265 rear) he just laughed and went wth, then he stated his car might be stuffed. That was first and only time i have dragged at a set of lights and against a v-tec car. So i just assumed they wernt so good but hearing people's statements i assume there really was something wrong with his car. But like i said i dont know if that was directed at me or not... so sorry if it wasnt!

But then again i've had stock GTST's ask me to run them from start and i have stayed with them the whole way to 120K until they just shit on me. done same with a GTiR and a Soarer that was definately turbo im guessing single.

Ahh I've seen a lot of this kind of thing, and I suspect I might possibly know what the deal is - someone who knows how to drive/willing to thrash their car racing against people who don't. Street racing can mix things up a lot as well - you don't get elapsed times and reaction times to work out who went when etc. It does sound a bit like your car goes ok and you know how to drive it, and particularly it must have a good amount of available torque.

The funniest car I had was a Honda Domani (1.6litre single cam non-VTEC) which I used to have the odd run on the road with mates of mine's cars - up to 100kph or so it was able to hold off if not keep ahead of some of these high rev NA "monsters" such as 20v Levins, 1600vtec Integras and in one funny case a 4door Type-R Integra. Above 100kph it suddenly looks like I am not fully committing though despite being hard on the throttle People still were bemused at how well it went against things up to 100k, so we put it on a dyno somewhere along the line and instead of discovering it was a magic ZC it turned out it was just a normal one but had been holding off things with 60% more power up to 100kph due to every ounce of its power being used up to that speed while others are wheelspinning/doing poor gearshifts etc and then when it comes down to the power game just dying.

No need for apologies, nothing is personal in such threads - its all in good fun

[mad082]

Bloody nora what magna was this?

All the ones I've driven new from factory have had some fairly severe torque steer problems especially compared to the fwd Mazda's.

The VRX's are exceptionally bad with their LSD. One year the LSD was very tight massive torque steer definitely a both hand white knuckled job on the steering wheel on corner exit, following year they loosed the lsd off and years following they continued to loosen it off until the last model (380) there was basically No LSD. :S

well there was 2. both manual 3.5L TH (99 model and i had a 00 model as well) and neither torque steered. the first one had 170fwhp (so about 127fwkw) with full exhaust and extractors. the second one (which i just sold yesterday) i never dyno'd but it felt more powerful (the first one had been thrashed quite a bit) and it was the one that ran the 14.8. it just had a catback system. but neither had a LSD. in know that when they do have a LSD they do torque steer a lot more.

[Cubes]

Ignore me. Apologies. Im thinking the issues I experienced was due to all models being the VRX. I drove every model up until the recent shut down of mitis (through brother in law) since the release of their 3.5ltr.

Both auto and manual. Manuals went pretty damn well stock and 'fun' to drive.

Love the motor super torquey down low and responsive.

When pushed hard and they were a fairly quick thing just need to hold on to the steering wheel hard especially when accelerating at the lights and clipping a pot hole.

If only they made the Magna RWD and released a model with 2 more cylinders.

Also had some fun with the AWD Magna's. Quite nice if only they dropped small supercharger or couple of turbo's on to it. Reverse donuts FTW. lol

The latest 380 I drove is 'ok' but personally I preferred the 3.5ltr as it was a fair bit more tractable. The 3.8ltr smokes the fronts way too easy.

[mad082]

you could buy bolt on supercharger kits for them, and there are a few turbo ones getting around. but both have traction issues.

if they did a rwd version they would be brilliant, but probably not quite as quick. there are plenty of manual 3.5L magnas and VRX's running mid 14 second 1/4's. i think part of the reason is that they have shorter gear ratios than the falcons and commodores, except for the 4 speed autos that will do 150kmh in second gear.

[Player_Hater]

You need to go in an NSX-R then.

Quicker around a track, and from a standing 1/4 than an R34 GTR.

Having been in a NSX-R na1 and owing a GTR .. i can vouch for the NXS-R .. there wholly and completely different from a NXS, its an amazing ride... and can definately keep up to any of the GTR's ..both cars obviously being in stock form

My first decent car being a civic with a "vtec" motor has always left me with a soft spot for honda's.. yes i was young, yes i thought vtec was the bomb...

Having aged a lil over time i ended up getting a GTR to which like all who own one became bored of the stock power. So while getting the motor rebuild and blah blah blah i had to get a daily.. i bought a EG with the intentions of dumping it once i got the GTR back...

GTR's back on the roads wif well over 300kw and its as fun as anything.. and i love it .. but in saying so.. caning the absolute crap out my civic gives me just as much fun .. to the point that im turning into a dedicated track car...

vtec isnt every'1 cup of tea and in saying so either are nissans or any other car out there... it basicaly comes down to everybodys individual taste.

[Lithium]

if they did a rwd version they would be brilliant, but probably not quite as quick. there are plenty of manual 3.5L magnas and VRX's running mid 14 second 1/4's. i think part of the reason is that they have shorter gear ratios than the falcons and commodores, except for the 4 speed autos that will do 150kmh in second gear.

Gotta love the "Taxi" spec cars that will scare a lot of punters. One of my mates has an old 3litre Maxima he has managed mid 13s (13.5 I think is his PB) out of an NA running only bolt on modifications!

vtec isnt every'1 cup of tea and in saying so either are nissans or any other car out there... it basicaly comes down to everybodys individual taste.

Absolutely

[burkill]

hey cubes

im not sure of the year model and i've been told it makes around 145kw.so it's not worked off it's tits i guess, but not stock.

it weighs wouldnt be over 900kg, and it's a jdm import..

i've seen time slips for around mid 14's.that was when it was stock, well with seats and stuff taken out.

this was a while ago before he got it sent "away". no new times are down yet.

[tin-pain]

yea i guess everyones opinon is different.

but i must vouch for the vtecs. there motors just keep on going on no matter how much thrashing u give to em.

have an r32 for a first car i really wouldnt mind having a honda as a second car.

i have a nice soft spot for the jdm looks. most the people i hang with are hondafanatics.

but even on the honda forums they have alot of cons towards turbos as from turbos to vtecs (if that makes sense)

[Foxhound]

hmmm i dont know too much about vtecs but ive raced a few s2000's in my time and although at the time my supra was stock, the s2000s gave me a run for money until the top end came round. dont mind the s2000's!