Gps Tracker Installation

[chef_stagea]

hey hey all, im going to install my gps tracker soon. has any one got any decent spots in there stagea they have or would put one? please PM me to reply... as i dont really need people knowing where it is lol. spose good luck if they get past my highly sensetive alarm ... cheers... (its one with the gps antener on a long cord (does that need to b fairly open or will it work 100% covered up)

and the pos and neg... ill obviously run a constant power... should i bridge into somthing so it doesnt advertise it self if the theif looks at my battery? if so where. cheers

[Trav33]

Did you buy one off the group-buy on this forum?

[4door_Sleeper]

hey hey all, im going to install my gps tracker soon. has any one got any decent spots in there stageaI'm they have or would put one? please PM me to reply... as i dont really need people knowing where it is lol. spose good luck if they get past my highly sensetive alarm ... cheers... (its one with the gps antendon'ter on a long cord (does that need to b fairly open or will it work 100% covered up)

and the pos and neg... ill obviously run a constant power... should i bridge into somthing so it doesnt advertise it self if the theif looks at my battery? if so where. cheers

Have you considered a small backup battery (ie car alarm style) so you will have some power even after they disconnect your battery. Run this through a diode and into a source of power on your car and you are set.

Edited October 9, 2008 by 4door_Sleeper

[CRoNic...]

hey hey all, im going to install my gps tracker soon. has any one got any decent spots in there stagea they have or would put one? please PM me to reply... as i dont really need people knowing where it is lol. spose good luck if they get past my highly sensetive alarm ... cheers... (its one with the gps antener on a long cord (does that need to b fairly open or will it work 100% covered up)

and the pos and neg... ill obviously run a constant power... should i bridge into somthing so it doesnt advertise it self if the theif looks at my battery? if so where. cheers

I wouldn't disclose 'good' spots to place anti-theft devices in your car for obvious reasons...

[chef_stagea]

I wouldn't disclose 'good' spots to place anti-theft devices in your car for obvious reasons...

lol clealrly why i said pm me... and it does have an inbuilt one in the device so i guess ill just find a constant power sumwhere and go from there.

[Carbon 34]

Ive installed hundreds of GPS units, PM sent for locations etc.

[Trav33]

Oi!

I'm after one of these as well, where did you get it from?

Is it the simple type that you can send an sms to it to get the co-ords, or it will send you an sms should the power to the device be cut?

[Krishy]

Oi!

I'm after one of these as well, where did you get it from?

Is it the simple type that you can send an sms to it to get the co-ords, or it will send you an sms should the power to the device be cut?

Yep i am after one of these as well

please let us the fellow SAU'ers know mate

sounds like a good security investment

[CRoNic...]

+1 to that!

[Trav33]

I've got a top alarm/immobiliser, professionally installed - but that doesnt help if you get mugged and someone takes your keys. A simple 1-way GPS device can give a bit of piece of mind, in that at least you can track the car. Even better (what i've been searching for) is a device which has an output port, which can be used to cut the power to the fuel pump.

[Carbon 34]

most good gps unit can shut off the engine after the car stops , so the thief thinks it stalled or ran out of fuel without getting into a hi speed chase to track it.

also

not sure if people understand most gps runs thru the US goverment sat. so if you dont mind registering your car and private details with the us sat in space and the option of being tracked 24/7 by US GOV. big brother. depending on your system of course, some are on all the time , others are triggered by the alarm, and some can even be triggered by police after the car is stolen. do your research on what you want before dumping big bucks on gps tracking that wont work here, oz doesnt have all the options the USA does in gps tracking. also lots of theses korean/chinese units fail a lot so becareful on the brands and options before purchase.

sometimes a 3G option can be better, as 3G is trackable to within a meter as well, sat and triagulation from the local towers on the ground. just like your 3G phones as well. it takes mere seconds to locate you with 3G.

and if your not confident on proper wiring and hiding the unit and securing the wires to look factory forget it. it will be a waste and can be disabled by one snip of the cutters. if a car theif wants your car consider it gone, it can be stripped within a few min. with a crew. you think indy cars have fast mech you should see some crims strip a car of goodies. scary.

check out the www.12volt.com website for lots of goodies and good info.

working in car audio and security for 15years ive seen a lot of shit and cars stripped and brought in for rebuilding of the systems.

makes you want to leave the car in the garage locked to the house...lol

[Carbon 34]

oops sorry this is the right web address

http://www.the12volt.com/

[Trav33]

I always thought GPS was basically satellites throwing data down - i dont think GPS units send data back up to the satellite.

Foxtel dishes cant send data back up, they are 1-way data transmission only. Satellite phones are obviously 2-way, but they have much much bigger antennas than a small gps receiver.

If this is the case... big brother is not watching?!

[SLED]

huh............if the satellite can track your whereabouts, then obviously a signal is bouncing back into space...........Troy will have a better idea on that

[Carbon 34]

sorry about the book in advance..lol

the antenna on the car GPS doesn't need to be as big, it uses what they call a ground plane to increase the signal to noise ratio of the receiver signal in DB Gain (laymens terms = the cars flat metal body) to amplify the signal strength , where the hand held phone doesn't have that option so the antenna is bigger. (this topic is very advanced to describe in a car club forum sorry)

sat tracker system have to be able to identify your car out of millions of objects on the planet, and if your system can shut down the car then it is a two way system or it might have a 3G capable sim in it to communicate to the cars alarm and computer to shut it down when it sees the speedo / brakes registering a stopped car. makes sense doesnt it ?

which is why if you dont know anything about car electronics stay away from the computer and wiring, the last thing you need is your car to shut down while merging in traffic at rush hour with a road train on your ass. or the revs jumping thru the roof for no reason. or like a pro installer I worked with did on his first week in a top end shop, he fried a computer in a porche 959 when the car had just come off the show room floor for a huge install for the local sony rep. how you ask by using s simply test light .. the light draws to much current(light bulb not LED) thru the computer which torched the traces inside ,,, 4000 dollar mistake. lets just say he worked for free for a while to buy it. and it took months to get one since the car was brand new in the states. throw away your old test lights, use a digital multi meter, there cheap as shit now days.

and remember static electricity can kill your cars computer too, it blows the top off the chips in a instant. like the kind cheap seat covers produce when you slide in the car to work on the computer /gps/alarm ? in other words get a pro to install it if your not sure, save you heartache and money in the long run .

one of the reasons the consumer gps isnt very accurate is because the US Gov doesnt want the gps you buy to be used for a homemade missile navigation system to hit distant targets. the military version is scary accurate all Im saying online. take a look at google earth then think about reading your watch from space. while running. its that good and better. the same goes for your car tracker. it narrows the search down to a few blocks in city areas and a bit better in the country, less hiding places in buildings. and don't forget if the system doesn't trigger before it enters a building you wont find the car at all. yes Im ex military too..lol

think about it , most cars stolen are joy rides /stereos and wheels taken then burned out shells, or pro thieves stripping off the goodies or redoing the vin numbers to sell elsewhere. not as common unless your car is a GTR worth lots more then base R32,33,34 GT. which would be used for panels,airbags etc. if the car is stripped indoors with gps its pointless to track it.

in the US cars are recovered more then here. here you guys torch them when done, in the US they just dump them roadside and walk off. which is why GPS works there. finds the car before it ends up stripped by the next lot of thieves who find the car roadside alone.

the GPS tracking is kinda a gimmick for oldies or biz manager to track staff movements and those who breakdown in the bush, the Onstar (two way sat nav and 3G combined that comes in GM cars in USA ) can track them and send help if needed.

I dont know its a toss up if its worth it or not, if you drove a new GTR yes it would be but the common 30k or less car doubt it. or an old classic car worth heaps would be worth it. hard to replace if its stolen. and onstar type systems charge a tracking fee yearly dont forget?. dont even think they have it in adelaide yet, havent checked into it here.

sorry about the book, its a brain dump in a bit..lol

I should write up a bible of car audio and electronics..someday maybe when time permits... yeah right!!!! feel free to ask me and hopefully I dont overload you with info..lol

more info about ONSTAR and how it works here.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/onstar1.htm

and the big brother scare of info and its uses from it here. this will scare the hell out of you ..lol

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/onstar4.htm

even consumer GPS units that you register online to get the map updates etc. after purchase with the SN# and your ownership details can be tracked, your driving habits/locations and speeds etc can fall in the wrong hands very easy, they use an ESN or electric digital fingerprint of the unit, so the US Gov doesnt supply GPS coordinates to enemy's by accident. so big brother is always watching you like it or not. look up DATA MINING for more scary things..lol how do you think they target you for promotions,online and in the mail,phone etc. but thats a whole topic on its own..privacy my ass..lol

oh and wait to see what Telstra shows you in the next year or two, I worked with the CEO Sal in the states.and sat thru the Telstra new technologies future presentation from him . and yes he is a huge wanker who will destroy the company just like he did in the US and Europe..lol another topic again sorry stop me now please...lol

Troy

Edited October 10, 2008 by sapphiregraphics

[Carbon 34]

trav another option is biometrics readers to start the car(fingerprint scanner on the dash) and or anti carjacking option, built into most good alarms thse days but not often hooked up here because of cost ? both will kill the fuel pump or just about anything you can imagine.

but at some point it becomes all to much to bother with. and if you dont use it every single time , it will be the one time you dont when the car gets taken.

and "the club" only slows them down a tiny tiny bit. best used to create another layer of things they have to overcome to steal your car. kids will walk past it most of the time. real crims will have it off in seconds but the alarm will be blazing during that time. so might scare them off to find easier cars to grab

just buy a big ass junkyard dog and leave him in the front seat...lol

[Trav33]

Hrm... what i was trying to say is that the GPS Satellites cannot determine who and where you are. They are only sending packets of data down to earth, not receiving location data back from every device using GPS technology.

From WikiPedia:

A GPS receiver calculates its position by carefully timing the signals sent by the constellation of GPS satellites high above the Earth. Each satellite continually transmits messages containing the time the message was sent, a precise orbit for the satellite sending the message (the ephemeris), and the general system health and rough orbits of all GPS satellites (the almanac). These signals travel at the speed of light (which varies between vacuum and the atmosphere). The receiver uses the arrival time of each message to measure the distance to each satellite, from which it determines the position of the receiver (conceptually the intersection of spheres - see trilateration[5]). The resulting coordinates are converted to more user-friendly forms such as latitude and longitude, or location on a map, then displayed to the user.

That OnStar system is a combination of GPS and a Cellular/GSM device. Its this second device that enables your position & other info to be broadcast to others.

Attached to my carputer at the moment, i've got a simple GPS receiver, which allows my navigation software to know where it is. Big Brother cant track that! I would assume the professional car-tracking systems would work similarly to that OnStar system, where they utilise both GPS and GSM technology. That means telecommunication providers could triangulate your GSM signal, to work out roughly where you are. But the accurate GPS location data that is sent back to the monitoring company might be sent back with some form of encryption, which would mean unauthorised parties could not know exactly where you are.

Also, do car-tracking systems remember their last known location, in the event that they are driven into tin warehouse? You may still be able to communicate with the car via GSM network, and the last known loc (ie at the entrance to the shed) might not be that far from where the car ends up.

[Carbon 34]

Mate big brother can and does track everything ?, including what you type now or the phone call you get on any phone, I can back track you computer and even have the possibility to take control of it from here with a little time?. your mobile is 100% trackable?. and all GPS receivers are trackable they have to be to make them work they use a ESN (electronic serial number)to be identified by the sat as a legal device to receive packet transmissions from space the US Gov wouldnt want to help out the rebels with GPS if they have a choice?, some just give up more data depending on how there configured to be used.it doesnt take the 3G portion to be tracked?, that only enables a finer triangulation to find your location to within a meter, works the same way on my Nokia mobile phone, it has GPS and you can enable the 3G triangulation to get your location finer and faster in areas of limited or no sat signal, which is why it works on foot in the mall too..lol

hence if you have both options enabled you could find the car even indooors, if the unit was turned on when the car is moved undercover it would display the last know location for sure.

("But the accurate GPS location data that is sent back to the monitoring company might be sent back with some form of encryption, which would mean unauthorised parties could not know exactly where you are?". )

they have to know who you are otherwise you wont get your car back?, encryption yes but the data is know on the other end. and who knows how its used, the gov and police have access to all of the data mate ? but at this point I dont reckon there going to go after you for speeding unless you caused an accident , oh and yes the insurance company can get access to the data as well ? or they might not cover the claim? privacy laws are easy to overcome to find your details out, hell a google search can find out heaps about you, more so if you use myspace or facebook,second life. life isnt private at all!!!!!

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hey I know for a fact they check your GPS now if your in a car crash and they suspect speed ? even in road side checks they will check the max speed readout on the GPS , my friend had hers checked in a r34 cause the cop was digging for speeders..... some gps unit say the time and date ,location of the speeding car? which is good enough to roast you in court mate?

built in GPS is similar to a inflight black box on an airplane, even the new car without gps has the black box capability. my work car is a new toyota and I have to clear the computer on it to keep them from knowing how hard i drive it..lol cause they can tell thru the cars computer......the first time i took it in the guy pulled me aside to show me the details before he replaced the computerwhich was malfunctioning, (damn fly by wire throttle...lol give me a cable anyday) so clear you speed data evertime you stop if your exceeding the speed limit. good to know the R34 speedo is only off by 1k and doesnt have the 180 limiter installed anymore..lol

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the new tech from telstra can track your movements without GPS all over AU ? and that also leaves you wide open because the phone companies do know who you are, you have to register your sim card with your details to make it work. even prepaid ones, but prepaid you could lie but then you wont get your car back either ? its kinda a toss up, privacy compromise of good and evil.

and also if you want to be able to shut your car down from a pc sitting anywhere in the world, you have to be identifiable to a point? some alarms can send an sms from the internet to the car to send the shut down signal to it on the first stopsign or slowdown?

to get your car to do that takes a lot of cash to set it up properly. close to 3k installed in oz i would think. ?

really if someone wants your car that bad they will know how to disable the gps and how to move the car so you wont find it again. in this town I dont think we have the serious car thiefs looking for a R33 , they would be going after something that is worth lots more cash than that.

do you have more info on the brand etc of your GPS tracking unit in question?

in the end unless your a crim then who cares if they know who you are, the face recognition software used now worldwide can find you in the crowd while driving via traffic cameras or on foot in the mall? the big deal is being done for speeding via the gps or 3g.. in USA it happens now ?

if you dont want to be found move the afghan mtn and grow a beard.. not sure why they cant find bin laden. maybe they dont want too ?

[Carbon 34]

in simply terms , how will you find you car if you cant identify it from space? , there are millions of GPS devices in the world?

makes it not trackable if you cant identify it as yours?

I wish i could tell you more about how it works but due to my past jobs security clearances I cant. sorry

[SLED]

lol Troy, pretty soon you'll be telling everyone how we find people that don't want to be found........keep some things to yourself bud