R34 Gtr Vs V8 Supercar

[Bumblebee]

superv8 would own an r34 gtr...

simply because an r34gtr is a street car.. and a superv8 isnt a commodore or falcon.. its just a shell that resembles a supertaxi..

otherwise they have absolutely nothing in common...

so it would be like... Purpose built race car vs super fast street car... and btw the mines gtr got owned by the GT500 NSX which is like our very own supertaxi...

it has no hope

[Mr_GaZZa]

LOL GTR> v8

[Stealthed]

GTR's Beat All = Debate Over

[jarrod83]

after seeing the r35 gtr at power cruise and the purple r34 gtr chew up all the big block v8s that pulled up next to them on the straights.. i think its safe to say we can close the book on this arguement.. if thats not enough maybe have a look at some of the gtr lap times on the japan tracks compared to cars that weigh less n have more power

[dan_the_man]

after seeing the r35 gtr at power cruise and the purple r34 gtr chew up all the big block v8s that pulled up next to them on the straights.. i think its safe to say we can close the book on this arguement.. if thats not enough maybe have a look at some of the gtr lap times on the japan tracks compared to cars that weigh less n have more power

hey wat? they have V8 super cars at pc?

sweet.

[FullySick26]

GTR POWER ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[R34P3R]

superv8 would own an r34 gtr...

simply because an r34gtr is a street car.. and a superv8 isnt a commodore or falcon.. its just a shell that resembles a supertaxi..

talking about a mild/full track tuned 34GTR not a street 34GTR.

[Magic]

Putting it up against the M-Speed 'yellow shark' GTR would be an interesting race. But I think this thread is a pointless/non-progressive debate.

[Pal]

well said magic

gtr would win

[Kranker]

I know its a bit of a silly topic...still good for a laugh

Surely a car like Mark and Russ's R32 has been around some of the V8 supercar tracks, how do those times compare?

[Char]

--the never ending story.

[rev210]

I know its a bit of a silly topic...still good for a laugh

Surely a car like Mark and Russ's R32 has been around some of the V8 supercar tracks, how do those times compare?

Slower.

[Bumblebee]

Alot slower...

[jarrod83]

Putting it up against the M-Speed 'yellow shark' GTR would be an interesting race. But I think this thread is a pointless/non-progressive debate.

anyone happen to know if the wikipedia lap records for bathurst are up to date??

Development V8 Supercar Lap Record: 2:10.1022 - Dean Canto (Ford BA Falcon)

Group A Lap Record: 2:14.50 - Mark Skaife (1991 - Nissan Skyline GT-R)

cause if they are.. then i wouldn't say the gtrs are alot slower, thats a pretty good time condsidering how long ago it was...

anyway i just wanted to compare the australian gtr's to a japanese one.. the hi octane r32 gtr weighing in the 1400s went over to tsukuba and layed down a time of 59.666, okay thats his first time there and could improve it abit, but the m speed r34 gtr car weighing in at 1170 put down a 54.48 on the same day, that thing is response machine

comparing to a v8 supercar that has to have a minimum weight of 1355, n makes just over 600bhp, which the m speed would easily make.. at alot less weight with the awd.. safe to say it be lapping v8s all over again?

in all fairness tho, the m speed doesnt have restrictions and probably has had a shitload more money spent on it, but that thing would "corner like electricity"

[rev210]

anyone happen to know if the wikipedia lap records for bathurst are up to date??

Development V8 Supercar Lap Record: 2:10.1022 - Dean Canto (Ford BA Falcon)

Group A Lap Record: 2:14.50 - Mark Skaife (1991 - Nissan Skyline GT-R)

cause if they are.. then i wouldn't say the gtrs are alot slower, thats a pretty good time condsidering how long ago it was...

anyway i just wanted to compare the australian gtr's to a japanese one.. the hi octane r32 gtr weighing in the 1400s went over to tsukuba and layed down a time of 59.666, okay thats his first time there and could improve it abit, but the m speed r34 gtr car weighing in at 1170 put down a 54.48 on the same day, that thing is response machine

comparing to a v8 supercar that has to have a minimum weight of 1355, n makes just over 600bhp, which the m speed would easily make.. at alot less weight with the awd.. safe to say it be lapping v8s all over again?

in all fairness tho, the m speed doesnt have restrictions and probably has had a shitload more money spent on it, but that thing would "corner like electricity"

You'd think that but, actually the high octane (mark/russ) gtr is alot slower than a V8supercar, the difference is more than the M-speed on tracks where the guys have lap experience.

So again the answer to the original question " Mines R34 Vs V8 supercar " is the V8 Supercar is much faster.

[jarrod83]

he implied other jap racing teams aswell "Mines or MCR or other jap racing GTR teams?"

i think you missed my whole point a old ass skyline bak in the 90s has a lap time 4 secs slower than the v8 record..im pretty sure the m speed are shitloads faster than those old ass 32s n weigh less

The m speed is alot faster than the mines... you couldnt even compare them.. mines weighs 1450 with 600ps at the fly.. as i said yesterday the m speed if full carbon fibre everything n weighs in at 1170 with shitloads more power n weighs almost 200 kilos less than the hi octance car, hopefully when they build a better car from what they learnt at tsukuba, they may start putting down some better times here in australia, but until then that car is a shitload slower than the m speed, the m speed just out corners it something fierce

[rev210]

he implied other jap racing teams aswell "Mines or MCR or other jap racing GTR teams?"

i think you missed my whole point a old ass skyline bak in the 90s has a lap time 4 secs slower than the v8 record..im pretty sure the m speed are shitloads faster than those old ass 32s n weigh less

The m speed is alot faster than the mines... you couldnt even compare them.. mines weighs 1450 with 600ps at the fly.. as i said yesterday the m speed if full carbon fibre everything n weighs in at 1170 with shitloads more power n weighs almost 200 kilos less than the hi octance car, hopefully when they build a better car from what they learnt at tsukuba, they may start putting down some better times here in australia, but until then that car is a shitload slower than the m speed, the m speed just out corners it something fierce

I missed no point at all. The V8's have some restricions applied that are specific and different to group A.

The V8 supercar is designed to beat other V8 supercars in the class it races. They are dedicated race cars. They happen to be very fast for their size and category restrictions.

A meaningful comparison is not there to be had with a road going Mines R34. It would kill it but, you can't drive one to the shops.

We have to be carefull of taking up straw man arguments in the pursuit of being a fan boi.

The original question was answered.

[hoony]

question cannot be answered unless we get a full tuned GTR vs a full tuned V8 Supercar...

the question will be answered when the winner is announced, right now it's all kinda opinionated with strong supporting information

that's my2c anyway

[PSI Parts]

I was having a chat to my mate that other day who is a full time V8 Supercar driver and was discussing the idea of him jumping in our project car around eastern creek on an open day to see what sort of times he would be able to get (assuming they have no speed restrictions on any of the straights like sandown does). This could well be happening early next year, our car is nothing overly special, at just over 300rwkw (projected, waiting to get back on the dyno for a power run) in a street registered R33 GTSt it should be interesting.

[Denver]

Bit late into this debate, however

The two classes of racing we're discussing here, are worlds apart...

GRP A as pointed out, was pretty much a no holds barred class, with the exception of you had to be abkle to buy a car off the the showroom floor with the same kit, a la the v spec, which was effectively an evolution model of the factory gt-r, think back to the days of group b rally homologation where a specific number of cars had to be produced so it could comply, HOWEVER, you could have an evolution model, which there only had to be a few sold, not the required 400, so in effect you could have a cheaper less mental version of the car you where running to make up homogation numbers, and your evolution with all the good fruit..

essentially this happened with the gt-r and the vpsecs/n1 varients etc, as problems where found, they improved on them, there was a number of bits in the gt-r tho that didn't come in a factory goer, like suspension arms, the dog boxes, extra oil coolers etc, but for the main part of it, you could buy a car with pretty much the same motor combo in it, it was just highly detuned..

v8 supercars as we know it today, is an extremely controlled class, to the point now they all run the same motor parts, intakes, ecu's, diff ratios, tyre sizes, and as of next year even the same brake callipers and rotor/pads sizes, all that really is different on them is the external body panels and the badge on the front...

if the V8 SC series was allowed to run rules like the grp a days, then you'd find they where a lot faster due to the bigger wheels, more power, less fuel retrictions etc..

comparing them to a gt-r today is a bit of a fickle point, 17 years of development would see the gt-r totally smash to pieces a front running V8 SC, to the point im willing to peg if you invested the same amount of money into a gt-r as they where in grp a days, you'd see it go very close, or even possibly under the 2 min mark at bathurst..

however, if you relaxed the rules on a v8sc, and got more power, but more importantly more grip and handling, you'd see it right up the arse of the gt-r...

one final thing however, for response, no turbo car will EVER beat a highly tuned well developed NA motor for outright response..