Are 19's To Big!

[nisskid]

  scathing said:

Says who?

I just checked the VicRoads web site (since the OP is based in Melbourne) and their Vehicle Standards Information Modification Guide, and I can't see anything banning them.

i already corrected myself saying they were legal on R34's and R33 GTR's, but illegal on every other skyline (bar V35 obviously)

as far as who says they look like shit imo (in my opinion), i do, cos its my opinion.

[scathing]

  nisskid said:

i already corrected myself saying they were legal on R34's and R33 GTR's, but illegal on every other skyline (bar V35 obviously)

Where's the official documentation saying that they are they illegal on non R34 GT-R (or V35s)?

I can't find anything on the VicRoads web site implying that a 19" diameter wheel is not permitted on R32s or R33/R34 RWDs, but I will admit that aside from that VicRoads VSI8 I linked to I didn't really look that hard.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but from the doco I can find there's nothing banning the 19's.

Edited October 14, 2008 by scathing

[Vik]

  nisskid said:

firstly, i didnt throw a blanket over all big rims, this is SAU, the guy owns a R34 GT-t, im talking about big rims on these skylines.

secondly, its not just about handling, its about ride comfort and damage, the harsher the ride the less comfortable it is as well as transferring more shock into the chassis and components. it's one thing to have to put up with a harsher ride on the road because of stiffer suspension in the goal of a better handling car, but to put up with a harsh ride while actually hindering performance just for wank factor, well that just doesnt make sense to me.

what ive noticed is that in general the people that admire blingy 19's on skylines are people who don't have the first clue about skylines or performance cars and are just the product of the MTV generation where shiny = good, people that appreciate a skyline and other cars properly generally admire nicely styled cars on good, more appropriately sized wheels that suit the car.

i just find it hard to comprehend why someone would buy a performance car only to ruin its performance with mods that make it look more like a sex spec poser car than an actual sports car. why not just buy a slow car if ur not interested in performance?

each to their own i guess, but this thread is about opinions and this is mine.

So what your trying to say is that im a MTV addict and that i know nothing about my car, and that im not interested in performance. Ok tell me this then, when you preach over and over again about not speed on the streets, then why would you need to dump race rims on a street car ?

yeah, put them on when you goto the track, why you have to show off your race rims when just going down to work, are you taking sharp corners or trying to get great lap times while going to work?

Thats the arguement your putting forward, and grow up already, your older then me for gods sake and seriously, cheap stabs like " MTV generation " and " sex spec poser " really does show your intellectual capabilities. Everyone is truly entitled to their opinions, but if you were to know, the only reason i got the 19's is that i got them as a gift. Im looking for some light weight rims aswell, when i do end up doing the DE - DE+T conversion.. and ontop of that, you say i know nothing about performance?

Dont stereotype people just because of the rims they like? Because then you will be no better then any other discriminatory sect.

I might be going a lil' over board, but seriously. Grow up and stop making lil stupid comments, which arent just opinions, but tryna' put people down for having shiny 19's.

yeah, i will admit. I see idiots rolling around on flippin' 20's in nissan imports, vaults and all that crap, let them be. They're car, who are you to say anything to them? Its like someone building a house, and you walking in saying your such a fcukn tool for putting a flatscreen tv in the kitchen.. so what ?

Ive extracted the actual opinions from your post. But the rest is " if you have 19 or higher, and theyre shiny, and you cant afford 3 - 4 grand race rims, then your a tool, and im better then you" .. Get over yourself.

MRXTCZ

P.S Sorry, my first post was wrong, its 215/35 front 235/35 rear.

[Granthem]

  nisskid said:

firstly, i didnt throw a blanket over all big rims, this is SAU, the guy owns a R34 GT-t, im talking about big rims on these skylines.

secondly, its not just about handling, its about ride comfort and damage, the harsher the ride the less comfortable it is as well as transferring more shock into the chassis and components. it's one thing to have to put up with a harsher ride on the road because of stiffer suspension in the goal of a better handling car, but to put up with a harsh ride while actually hindering performance just for wank factor, well that just doesnt make sense to me.

what ive noticed is that in general the people that admire blingy 19's on skylines are people who don't have the first clue about skylines or performance cars and are just the product of the MTV generation where shiny = good, people that appreciate a skyline and other cars properly generally admire nicely styled cars on good, more appropriately sized wheels that suit the car.

i just find it hard to comprehend why someone would buy a performance car only to ruin its performance with mods that make it look more like a sex spec poser car than an actual sports car. why not just buy a slow car if ur not interested in performance?

each to their own i guess, but this thread is about opinions and this is mine.

I've already covered this point. 99% of Skylines on our roads are for just that, driving on our roads. I know its a performance car etc etc etc, but honestly, the absolute majority of their life are spent driving person x from point at to point b. Hitting a track is extremely rare and when you do, well swap the 19s off. Takes all of 20 mins.

The difference between the ride of 17s and 19s on my car was not huge/if not noticable at all. And the performance side of things, well in my head i know would be harder to get turning. But from the seat of your pants feel, the difference IMO is not really noticable again.

Now im not at all saying huge dolce dinner plates look good on a skyline or anything, im just saying that 19s overall look good and the effect isnt anything major IMO.

If they were 19 inch volks you would all be saying "f**k yeh best rims ever..." but because they probably wont be your all against it.

At the end of the day most of the skylines driving around on the volk/works/rays etc rims have spent over a 3rd or probably more of the value of their car on the rims alone. Is that really logical... well thats another story.

Pick what you want buddy, but coming from someone with the same car who has made the same change, the difference isnt THAT big in performance. Not while your doing your milk run anyway

Edited October 14, 2008 by Granthem

[nisskid]

  scathing said:

Where's the official documentation saying that they are they illegal on non R34 GT-R (or V35s)?

I can't find anything on the VicRoads web site implying that a 19" diameter wheel is not permitted on R32s or R33/R34 RWDs, but I will admit that aside from that VicRoads VSI8 I linked to I didn't really look that hard.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but from the doco I can find there's nothing banning the 19's.

the laws vary from state to state, but in a lot of the states the rule has been for a while that u cannot increase the rim diametre by more than 2", although i think it is getting slowly fased out to just the overall diametre.

[Howie]

I don't see anything wrong with running 19's on a skyline, even though I run 18's myself. It all comes down to so many other factors, offset/track/camber/tread/construction material.

[nisskid]

oh and to the other people defending 19's, good for you, if that's what u want then go for it, but nothing stopping me from expressing my opinion on the matter, after all that was the basis of this thread.

as far as affecting performance for driving ur cars to buy milk, my question is if ur not too worried about performance from daily driving then why the hell did u buy a turbo sports car?

as far as ride comfort, its pretty simple really, having tiny sidewalls means u have f**k all compliance in the sidewalls, that offers an uncomfortable ride, as i said its one thing to sacrifice comfort for performance, it's another for "looks". it's not really a subject up for debate, a lower profile will cause a more uncomfortable ride in general.

looks are subjective, i personally go for more tastefully styled cars, i despise the sex spec style, even in its less extreme examples, it seems to be more about over compensating for a lack of style, "if we make them big enough, they will look good"

MR_XTC: quite with the bs, save the shit about maturity and telling me to grow up for someone else, you're not going to get anywhere with that.

[Granthem]

  nisskid said:

as far as affecting performance for driving ur cars to buy milk, my question is if ur not too worried about performance from daily driving then why the hell did u buy a turbo sports car?

Because you can still enjoy a turbo sports car on the street. Im still worried about performance. My point is in terms of cornering etc, you will not notice any difference in performance when turning corners on a regular road. My car turns the same on the 19s as it did on the 17s. So it still performs well, its just the differences between 19s and smaller are not readily seen on the street.

On the track is where things will begin to change.

[nisskid]

ive been in plenty of cars with different size wheels and profiles, i honestly dont know how u can sit there and say there is no difference between a smaller wheel/larger profile and a bigger wheel/lower profile in terms of ride.

let me put it this way. these are the facts:

they have a more uncomfortable ride in general

perform worse in general

cost a lot more

cost a lot more in tyres

transfer more shock into suspension components and the chassis (possibly causing wear and damage)

if u honestly think these sacrifices are worth what u think u gain in looks then go for it. i just personally like to see the styling suit the car, and big blingy wheels on a turbo sports car will never sit right with me.

[Granthem]

Yeh I dont generally like big and chrome etc.

IMO i dont think are blingy. Just they fill the guards how I wanted and create the look I was after

I understand what you mean, but 19s are getting pretty cheap for tyres now so they will become the new 18s. Its how its gone for years and years

[full house]

I think that size if fine . . . Its not that big.

[Boss-zilla]

I think it depends on what you get. Here is a pic of my old R34 with 19's

However i would not put these on my R32 as it would look crap.

[Dal34]

I run 18's on my R34. (Work XD9's).

Get a good brand named wheel at the very least, don't buy some crappy chinese copy wheel. You'll only regret it later.

Chrome sucks in my opinion, 19's are too big, and vanilla milkshakes taste good.

[Beelzebub89]

I don't think 19s look too big on 34s but it also depends on the offset n stance of the car. I've got a set of 19s on my 33 and I'm happy with how they look. I would love to be able to put a set of TE37s or GT-Cs on my car but at the end of the day I can't afford to spend that kind of money on them.

I don't see how performance is affected by having 19s. Your not likely to be going fast enough to test the grip of your tyres on the road and the main contributor to performance is the tyre not the wheel. I bought a decent set of tyres for mine end up costing me $350 a corner but they haven't faltered yet. I love seeing all my mates who've spent 3 or 4 grand on a set of 'race wheels' only to go and throw a set of nankangs on them.

At then end of the day whether its a blingy wheel or race spec its still all about the wank factor. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.

[cankas]

Gees its like watching a bitch fight in progress!!! There to big! No they arent! Yes they are! SLAP

Its your choice, if we all had the same rims how boring would life be.

Personally i got my 19s cause i like them and thats the size of them, that is it, i know they wont perform as good as 17 or 18 on the track but its for on the street so i dont care and the difference in ride comfort was barely noticeable.

When i go to the track i can take the OEMs with a set of stickies, flog the crap out of them till theres nothing left and put the 19s back on and i have no problems.

sure mine wld look better lowered but i havent got to that yet

Edited October 15, 2008 by cankas

[nisskid]

i think 19's can be made to look good, i actually think a lot of it has to do with the kind of people who buy 19's and their taste in wheels, it's just generally people who buy 19's buy shitty wheels with crappy offsets and it just looks poxy. people who spend their money on decent wheels and get the offset right generally go for a different style where 19's are a no go.

people keep posting pics up of their car with 19's but ur not really helping ur case as every example i have seen in here is of cheap poxy wheels with shadow offset.

[scathing]

  nisskid said:

the laws vary from state to state, but in a lot of the states the rule has been for a while that u cannot increase the rim diametre by more than 2", although i think it is getting slowly fased out to just the overall diametre.

According to the VicRoads guidelines I linked to, the law states that the diameter of the tyre cannot change by more than 15mm from stock, and the rim cannot be more than 25mm wider. Its the same case in NSW and Qld. I haven't looked at other states.

For the OP, as long as he can find a tyre with the appropriate profile, he can run 19's or 20's.

[NYTSKY]

19x10.5 in the rear.

[Granthem]

  nisskid said:

i think 19's can be made to look good, i actually think a lot of it has to do with the kind of people who buy 19's and their taste in wheels, it's just generally people who buy 19's buy shitty wheels with crappy offsets and it just looks poxy. people who spend their money on decent wheels and get the offset right generally go for a different style where 19's are a no go.

people keep posting pics up of their car with 19's but ur not really helping ur case as every example i have seen in here is of cheap poxy wheels with shadow offset.

Offset it great but its also easy to be illegal with it.

Sure rims sitting out the guards can look cool, but whats the use of paying for insurance each year if you claim is wiped by having the wrong offset?

I understand you love your jap rims by your threads, but to be honest all your rims are cheaper then most sets of 19s posted in this thread so whos cheap?

[nisskid]

  Granthem said:

I understand you love your jap rims by your threads, but to be honest all your rims are cheaper then most sets of 19s posted in this thread so whos cheap?

er... i buy smart, i buy 2nd hand and i import directly from Japan, the wheels i buy are quality wheels which usually cost quite a bit brand new, i always make money on re-selling them, tell me the last time u saw someone make money, or hell even break even after buying a set of cheap shit brand new and trying to sell them 2nd hand.

i'm happy to keep paying half the amount on decent quality wheels as u pay on cheap shit, then make back $$ while u lose hundreds to depreciation the first time they are fitted to ur car, i dont think that makes me cheap, i think that makes me someone who is actually using my brain.

as far as offset making ur car illegal, u realise that according to the law in most states ur not allowed to increase wheel width by more than 1", this makes majority of after market wheels illegal anyway, unless ur running 19x7.5's which is quite simply undeniably gay as aids.

also ur allowed up to 24mm track change i beleive, so for skylines i think that means ur allowed about a +26 offset, which is a start, better than the +38 bs that tempe tyres and similar seem to specialise in.