Hydrogen Injection

[HtwCHACtkh]

Hey guys,

My uncle and extended family have been talking about this "water to gas" thing for a while now so I decided to have a look at it. It seems pretty interesting, it works by injecting a mixture of Hydrogen and Oxygen gas from water into your engine to help combustion. It has been advertised to increase fuel economy but in theory it really just sounds like it is increasing power.

Link: http://www.watertogas.com/

They have a radio interview with the creator of this product if you click the microphone on the right hand side of the navigation bar.

I'm sure there's all sorts of different variations of this product, my uncle is talking about buying a kit then installing it on an OLD Toyota Camry to see how it goes, don't know if they're all talk or not at this stage tho. I wouldn't dare put my Skyline up as the guinea pig here, tho in theory it sounds pretty damn cool.

tl;dr version: Hydrogen Oxygen gas is created from Charged Water with 2 tsp. Hydrogen Peroxide and is injected into your engine to assist with combustion of fuel.

/discuss

[2rismo]

Flawed so badly I don't know where to start.

Wait, yep. Yes I do.

Here.

[Kranker]

Only way I see hydrogen having anything to do with powering a car is in hydrogen combustion engines

You go to the servo, fill up on hydrogen, and ur internal combustion works in much the same way as a petrol powered internal combustion engine, only it burns hydrogen

Using it as an additive to petrol combustion is waste of time and effort

Bring on proper hydrogen combustion though, best future fuel in my opinion

Us rev heads still have an engine that sounds and behaves like an engine shoud, not an electric appliance, and the hippies get a reduction in emissions

[RBwhatever]

This has been spoken about briefly before here: http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Hy...l&hl=hho%2A

There is some truth to this. It is true that the electrolysis units made do split the water into HHO. And it is a highly combustible gas once produced. But that is just pure and simple science, and there is no denying this part of it.

The concept of how this unit works is to use the wasted or extra electricity produced by the cars alternator to power the electrolysis. So you can't blurt out it's a "perpetual energy machine crap claim". So once it creates the HHO it is added to the already existing airflow and goes on to give you a "more efficient" burn, giving you "more power" and "economy".

There are factors and variations that people argue about, such as the car's O2 sensor detects the extra oxygen in the exhaust so it enriches the AFR's anyway and cancels out any "benefits" you may gain from using it.

If you youtube HHO you get thousands of video's of people that have put these on their cars, claimed they've had 50% economy increase and has more power and car runs smoother blah blah blah blah blah .....you get the picture.

So there may be some truth. And the concept is understandable. And it may be true some people get some sort of result from using it.

Now do you want to hear some fact?

I'm fairly open to different concepts, I decided to be the guinea pig for those of us on SAU, although I was still highly skeptical I'd see results. The car has the standard turbo, exhaust, PFC, etc etc the stuff you need to pump close to 200rwkw. And my O2 sensor is switched off anyway, so the PFC was not running in closed loop to adjust cruising AFR's.

My average fuel usage is 460kms/55L. I hooked up one of these HHO units and it did produce the gas and it does go off with a firecracker bang when you ignite the stuff. Fitted it to the car, I made sure it was going to be a very reversible fitting. Ran the thing for the duration of 2 weeks whenever the car was running for the complete tank of fuel I had.

My results:

There was no increase in power.

There was no increase in economy.

My fuel usage was still 460kms/55L with the same driving style before and after. I would've noticed more of a difference if I had peed into the fuel tank.

It was promptly ripped out and thrown into the wheelie bin 2 feet from my car. My test cost me $100.

So my conclusion:

As much as there may be "evidence" that these things "work" for other people, In my experience it did jack all for my car. You can't get enough 1st person fact than that sir. I've tried it.... I know.

So you may know someone that has it, and he may tell you it does wonders, well he may be telling you the truth....or he may just well be lying to your face trying to get that $500+ out of your pocket (some people sell them for that much in Aus). It might work for other people, but it sure heck didn't do anything for me.

If anyone wants to call me an idiot for doing my test, go ahead i don't mind. I got what I needed to know from it, and I believe my experience will help other people who are unsure of this concept to steer clear and avoid spending unnecessary $$ on such a waste time and money. I have no regrets for doing what I have done.

But as Kranker has said, 100% Hydrogen powered cars do work, otherwise some car manufactures wouldn't have even attempted to develop it, and NASA wouldn't be using hydrogen to launch Space Shuttles into space.

Edited October 15, 2008 by KeyMaker