mundine fight...

[Merli]

Originally posted by U WERE MINE

merli..  

"That wasn't boxing. Hands dropped to the side of his body, no guard up, and keep running. That was NOT boxing. "

there are many different styles.. when im in competitions i dont have my hands up either.. i like inviting the person in to have a hack.. if ure quicker and u know it.. why not flaunt it?? to say that it wasnt boxing was hmmm .. he has his own style.. and as much as we all know he is a tool in person.. he is a great athlete no one can deny him that..

Perhaps if he came out from the bell doing that, but he didn't.

He came out with a full guard, and tried to box properly... By the 4th round, he had reverted back to his instincts which were not honed from professional boxing.

He completely dropped his guard and was just basically backtracking throughout the entire fight.

Whatever. That was just a fcuked fight.

[Merli]

The undercard Gurkan Ozkan fight was eleventy BILLION times more entertaining...

I've seen Ozkan fight many MANY fights as a kickboxer and he's excellent, but he's still reverting back to his karate and kickboxing roots where he just loads up his right hand and leads with his left as a distraction... Doesn't work as well when you don't have your legs to follow through as well though...

But DAMN he's entertaining

I watched the fight with the nephew of Ozkan's trainer and they reckon he'll be the next one to take on Danny Green. He knocked Mundine out of the ring in training last week and Mundine threw a hissy fit... HAHAHAHAHA...

Anyway... Should be interesting to see how Ozkan's boxing career goes.

[franks]

Originally posted by Merli

I boxed for 6 years, when I was younger, how many years boxing experience do you have?

...and maybe if you were any good at "boxing", you'd still be be doing it???

... and that's all Mundine was doing. Hands down, no guard and throwing wild jabs from the sides whilst backtracking constantly... He was even backtracking in the LAST ROUND!!!! That was *NOT* boxing.

must've been a helluva lot of lucky wild jabbing going on considering he won on a *points* decision. and dont you get points from actually landing punches?

mundine was the better fighter, 3 judges recognised that. your version of boxing must be totally different to everyone elses. i think you should go back to watching UFC video's. its obvious it wasnt entertaining for you because you didnt see more blood and guts.

[U WERE MINE]

andrew.. saying all this..

he played by the rules.. and he won..

i agree with u completely about nearly everything u said funnily enough.. BUT..

if there is a fighter who is physically stronger.. u need to rely on ure skill and speed to come out ahead.. and mundine did that.. he used his speed..

for mundine to be as quick as he is.. he sacrifice's some power.. the stronger u are the slower u are usually..

i still dont see after ure 6 years boxing experience u cant appreciate that.. ure basically saying if someone isnt strong enough to knock the other person out.. that its not boxing and there not worthy.. hmmm

[U WERE MINE]

Originally posted by Merli

The undercard Gurkan Ozkan fight was eleventy BILLION times more entertaining...  

I've seen Ozkan fight many MANY fights as a kickboxer and he's excellent, but he's still reverting back to his karate and kickboxing roots where he just loads up his right hand and leads with his left as a distraction... Doesn't work as well when you don't have your legs to follow through as well though...  

But DAMN he's entertaining  

I watched the fight with the nephew of Ozkan's trainer and they reckon he'll be the next one to take on Danny Green. He knocked Mundine out of the ring in training last week and Mundine threw a hissy fit... HAHAHAHAHA...

Anyway... Should be interesting to see how Ozkan's boxing career goes.

amen !! very interested

[Merli]

Originally posted by franks

...and maybe if you were any good at "boxing", you'd still be be doing it???

must've been a helluva lot of lucky wild jabbing going on considering he won on a *points* decision. and dont you get points from actually landing punches?

mundine was the better fighter, 3 judges recognised that. your version of boxing must be totally different to everyone elses. i think you should go back to watching UFC video's. its obvious it wasnt entertaining for you because you didnt see more blood and guts.

I was okay at boxing... But I like to cross train, so that's why I've trained in BJJ, Judo and now Karate... I like using my legs as well as my hands.

I didn't say Mundine was lucky. Why put words in my mouth?

Did I not say in my VERY FIRST POST that I acknowledged that Mundine was a quick little bastard? I believe I did. Thank you.

Using that speed, and the "backtrack backtrack jab, backtrack, bracktrack jab" technique has was able to land more scoring punches than Eckles, who from the outset was looking for a KO. He even announced that he was going to try and knock Mundine out in the 5th round..... Pity he couldn't catch him :bahaha:

Mundine wasn't the "better fighter" by a long shot. He just landed more scoring punches and based on that, the judges had to give him the decision, and I agree with the decision.

There is no way in HELL that Mundine is a better boxer though.

[franks]

merli you slugger!!!!

seems as though you rate boxers by their one-punch capabilities. i don't. there are many ways to skin a cat - look at Ali? he had a knockout punch, he was fast, and he also used the rope-a-dope technique (endured plenty, showed stamina) - he's an all round boxer.

to say mundine is not the better boxer is in my opinion unfair.

its just like, i can't play ping pong players who spin the ball alot. i'll have a better chance at someone who just plays with power. does it mean the bloke who spins the ball alot is not a good player? i dont think so...

[U WERE MINE]

andrew..he is the better boxer.. Eckles didnt keep his cool .. even u said.. mundine frustrated him and put him off his game.. u should know boxing isnt just about hitting.. and with boxing the mental discipline isnt as developed as say with some of the martial arts..

u said so ure self... mundine realised he couldnt match it with eckles.. he had the composure to change his style to do whatever it took to win.. Eckles didnt.. Hence Mundine won..

At the end of the day there is plenty of what if's .. should have's.. but mundine walked away with the win .. not the pretiest win.. but a win nevertheless

[U WERE MINE]

Originally posted by franks

merli you slugger!!!!

seems as though you rate boxers by their one-punch capabilities. i don't. there are many ways to skin a cat - look at Ali? he had a knockout punch, he was fast, and he also used the rope-a-dope technique (endured plenty, showed stamina) - he's an all round boxer.

to say mundine is not the better boxer is in my opinion unfair.

its just like, i can't play ping pong players who spin the ball alot. i'll have a better chance at someone who just plays with power. does it mean the bloke who spins the ball alot is not a good player? i dont think so...

coudnt have said it any better franks..

u play ping pong ill give u a game but ure not alloweed to use ure power u have to play spin or ure not a real ping pongerer!! hahahhah

[franks]

we seem to be stuck with this pretty way of winning??? can't we admire a boxer for their ability to evade punches just as much as their ability to deliver a knock out punch???

bruce lee was a person who had a totally different way of fighting to the norm, he defined his art and was successful at it. was he not playing by the rules? was it less pretty than the norm?

julius erving played "above the rim" in basketball and changed the traditional way of the sport. was this not playing by the rules? was he less pretty than the norm?

[franks]

Originally posted by U WERE MINE

coudnt have said it any better franks..  

u play ping pong ill give u a game but ure not alloweed to use ure power u have to play spin or ure not a real ping pongerer!! hahahhah

=)

would rather tennis!

[Merli]

Originally posted by franks

merli you slugger!!!!

seems as though you rate boxers by their one-punch capabilities. i don't. there are many ways to skin a cat - look at Ali? he had a knockout punch, he was fast, and he also used the rope-a-dope technique (endured plenty, showed stamina) - he's an all round boxer.

to say mundine is not the better boxer is in my opinion unfair.

its just like, i can't play ping pong players who spin the ball alot. i'll have a better chance at someone who just plays with power. does it mean the bloke who spins the ball alot is not a good player? i dont think so...

I didn't really understand that ping pong analogy, but I think I know what you meant anyway

And for the record, UFC > boxing

[U WERE MINE]

Originally posted by franks

=)

would rather tennis!

hhahahha now ure on!!!!

[U WERE MINE]

Originally posted by Merli

I didn't really understand that ping pong analogy, but I think I know what you meant anyway

And for the record, UFC > boxing

hahah definately agreed.. ufc at the begginging was the best.. but now its hmm a bit of a joke..

[Beer Baron]

I was pleased that mundine won the fight. He makes it very hard to like him though. I mean that crap with keeping Echols waiting in the ring, and bringing in dancers? That's just rude. Also, all that 'celebrating' after the final bell, I found it distasteful, he hadn't yet won the fight, decisions have been known to not always go the way you think. He needs to get some basic bloody manners. I respect his 'talent' as a boxer, but he is not much of a man.

Richard

[Merli]

Originally posted by mmmgtir

I was pleased that mundine won the fight. He makes it very hard to like him though. I mean that crap with keeping Echols waiting in the ring, and bringing in dancers? That's just rude. Also, all that 'celebrating' after the final bell, I found it distasteful, he hadn't yet won the fight, decisions have been known to not always go the way you think. He needs to get some basic bloody manners. I respect his 'talent' as a boxer, but he is not much of a man.

Richard

Mundine celebrated before the FINAL BELL rang, let alone the decision. He celebrated with 10 seconds to go in the fight, and ran away from Eckles with time left on the clock.

After asking the ref, Eckles had to chase after Mundine and try to resume the fight, but Mundine would have nothing to do with it, just looking over at his corner with his hands up in the air...

[Merli]

Originally posted by U WERE MINE

hahah definately agreed.. ufc at the begginging was the best.. but now its hmm a bit of a joke..

Yeah, UFC is too commercialised now... I still have lots of VCDs of the early UFC tournaments...

HOOOOOO BOY, you wouldn't want to meet some of those guys in a back alley

[U WERE MINE]

yeah i loved watching the first couple of seasons.. was awesome to see how well each of the styles faired against each other.. no points.. no time.. man against man.. cant ask for much more than that..

[DLuded]

I think mundine is a good fighter but not as good as he thinks he is. There is no real talent is his weight division. If he wants a good fight and prove to the world he is so good change divisions and fight Roy Jones Jn. i bet that fight would last a good two minutes before mundine has his head smashed it. Also why doesn't he fight green??? that guy is probably one of, or the, best fighter australia has ever seen and offered mudine $500,000 to fight but still mudine refuses.

I didn't watch the fight but seriously, good on mundine for winning. He's worked his arse off and he probably deserves it.

Oh and I see we are talking about the UFC. The first time i saw that I couldn't believe it. The best fights I have ever seen. If you want somehthing good download the best knockouts of UFC. Some HHUUGGEE hits there.

Oh and one more thing the reason why he celebrated was because he knew he won. Each round the judges rule the points and the fighters know what points they received. The only way mudine was to loose on points was if he was knocked down 4-5 times in the last round which was highly unlikely. I may be wrong but I was pretty sure of this anyway

[Amir]

MUNDINE IS THE MAN.......he won and that s that. It really surprises me that some of you would rather support a Yank than our own. I've seen Mundine on a few interviews and I bet you he would be a genuine guy and all the talk is just for hyping people up.

and Ozcan must have made all the goat lovers proud.