How Much Power Is Power

[Stagstock]

Ok, so you have a Stagea wagon.. (mmmm stagggeeaaa 'drools') you rip the front shaft off and take a lap around the block expecting it to atleast give a little screech into 2nd but to no avail. You instantly start planning your mods before you've even lifted off the pshhh pedal. You read the forums hearing people talk of 200kw atw and 250kwatw and more and start to wonder, how much do I need to be happy with my car. All I want to do is light the tyres when I feel the need and get the so longed for turbo surge as it comes onto boost. Not the feather tickling your stag receives at present. So all in all, how much is enough and how do you compare without driving cars at certain power levels. So the all elusive hunt for the mystic Kw's begins searching the far reaches of the petrol sniffing regions to maybe one day cook lunch on your new hankooks.

Edited October 28, 2008 by Stagstock

[axe s]

It's like a nice woman... u can never get enough u'll always want more and to get more it'll send u broke... lol

[unique1]

i have a bit of experience with different power levels in stageas, i've had a setup with stock power, 350rwhp, and 560rwhp and 600rwhp.

The more power the more compromises unfortunately, my new setup is aiming for a max of 400rwhp, this will mean alot of factory parts can still be used, the clutch is nice to drive around with and reliability is still pretty good. I run a rb26 setup though so rb25s are abit different. 350rwhp was abit slow, but i did have that engine in a 1300kg car before so i noticed the weight difference more than anything. 560hp is great, except the laggy turbo, noisy heavy clutch, big cams, and stock gearboxes dont last one drag run lol (or the rear axles), so the dogbox upgrade was another pain in the arse for any daily driver duties, it definately was fun if some pesky commodores wanted a run off the lights though

In rwd im sure around 350rwhp wouldnt have any trouble smokin the tyres at ease if thats all u want

[Stagstock]

Well all in all it will be a daily driver with a Vapour injection lpg kit but needs to be fun to drive not just a wagon that makes a cool noise. Can't beat that stag shape though

[Stagstock]

I'm hoping I can overcome alot of the fueling issues using the lpg computer and fuel mapping inbuilt. Fuel cut may be an issue though as it cuts the injectors.

[GoldZilla]

Well, I've currently got 156kW at all 4 wheels, and when I took my cousin for a drive last weekend he mentioned how much better it was accelerating compared to when I first got it. He's got an R33 GTSt (he bought it well before I bought my car), and has previously had a few well-worked Commodores and had the opportunity to drive quite a few quick cars in his time (Porsche 928, genuine Alpina E30 BMW 3-series, etc.).

[_Ryan_]

mine is stockish... if i were to do power mods it would be RB30 bottom end and atleast 373awkw people would never look at a standard looking s1 the same again

[wolverine]

240-270rwkw is enough to feel quick for all the reasons unique1 has stated. this is still drivable, not laggy and enough grunt to keep everyone honest. it is relatively cheap getting to this level.

[BigDirtyJase]

You can never have too much power. It's pretty much how much your wallet, credit card, bank loan, drug money you have to do your upgrades but you got to also think "is it drivable?" There's no point of have 800kw when you can't drive it down the street (unless its a track car)

For me i'm going to be happy with 200 - 230 at all wheels. It's still streetable but with the power at the ready if I need it

[260rsstagea]

my 260 makes 320awkw but like most have said you can never have too much

[260tech]

RB26 R34 N1, HKS_GT_SS, Tomie head gasket 1.2mm, tomei dumps, hi-flo cat, D-jetro, twin plate super coppermix, 15psi boost. Some odds & sods & $$$$$$$$$$$. 224awkw. = sticky Maxxis's, dunno if there's any smoke......to busy going/looking forward.

Cheers GW

[rb26stagea]

I run 297awkw, using R33 N1 turbos.... It's ok, but like the rest have said, not exactly ideal: wee bit laggy/noisy etc... I had been using mine as a daily for the last 24 months with this setup, and was living quite happily with it until we discovered a crack in the block (normal place: water jacket under the turbo manifolds - cause for concern, but not terminal...yet), so I am about to undertake a fresh build with stronger parts, aiming at 400-420awkw, but this will most definitely make it a weekend-only proposition.

Having recently bought a bog stocko Legnum as a daily, and sampled how smooth, quiet and responsive it is, I don't know if I'd be happy with my Stagea as a daily again, even with the current setup...

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

Its enough when the car starts walking around in 2nd. Its better when there is more but its a good start.

[Stagstock]

Well to be honest getting it to walk around in second is all I'm aiming for at the moment. Now all I have to do is tell the boss I bought a stag and get some afterwork hoist time in.

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

Well to be honest getting it to walk around in second is all I'm aiming for at the moment. Now all I have to do is tell the boss I bought a stag and get some afterwork hoist time in.

You will need $15k+

[axe s]

You will need $15k+

Why would he need 15k... i didn't even spend that on mine, and i don't think he wants that much power... you should be able to get away with it pretty cheap if you do your research and work yourself...

[KiwiRS4T]

RB26 R34 N1, HKS_GT_SS, Tomie head gasket 1.2mm, tomei dumps, hi-flo cat, D-jetro, twin plate super coppermix, 15psi boost. Some odds & sods & $$$$$$$$$$$. 224awkw. = sticky Maxxis's, dunno if there's any smoke......to busy going/looking forward.

Cheers GW

A lot of RB25s make that power fairly easily. I would have thought your set up would be capable of a lot more ( more boost, better tune?) or is that a deliberately conservative figure?

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

Why would he need 15k... i didn't even spend that on mine, and i don't think he wants that much power... you should be able to get away with it pretty cheap if you do your research and work yourself...

You need around 380RWKW to get a 20 to get scrappy in second. I know as I have one. Now getting a 1.8tonne wagon to dothat take money, I know Ive done it. I did teh research. I built a motor that will take the punishment.

You will need:

Turbos, N1, GrpA or better

Big afms

Big cooler

Oil cooler

Big radiator

N1 oil and water pumps

Forged pistons

Forged rods

Cams

Cam gears

Injectors (i did the rail too)

Big pumps

Computer

Then you have the labour.

Oh, and the big clutch.

I did the exhaust manifolds whicle I was at it, and the head, because I wanted it done right.

There you go, add that up.

[wolverine]

You need around 380RWKW to get a 20 to get scrappy in second. I know as I have one. Now getting a 1.8tonne wagon to dothat take money, I know Ive done it. I did teh research. I built a motor that will take the punishment.

You will need:

Turbos, N1, GrpA or better

Big afms

Big cooler

Oil cooler

Big radiator

N1 oil and water pumps

Forged pistons

Forged rods

Cams

Cam gears

Injectors (i did the rail too)

Big pumps

Computer

Then you have the labour.

Oh, and the big clutch.

I did the exhaust manifolds whicle I was at it, and the head, because I wanted it done right.

There you go, add that up.

that's easy to add up .

$29k

my R33 has 280rwkw and we stopped there out of sympathy to the motor (standard) and out of common sense since there is progressively less grip and it is pretty useless for driving on the street.

Edited October 31, 2008 by wolverine

[axe s]

You need around 380RWKW to get a 20 to get scrappy in second. I know as I have one. Now getting a 1.8tonne wagon to dothat take money, I know Ive done it. I did teh research. I built a motor that will take the punishment.

You will need:

Turbos, N1, GrpA or better

Big afms

Big cooler

Oil cooler

Big radiator

N1 oil and water pumps

Forged pistons

Forged rods

Cams

Cam gears

Injectors (i did the rail too)

Big pumps

Computer

Then you have the labour.

Oh, and the big clutch.

I did the exhaust manifolds whicle I was at it, and the head, because I wanted it done right.

There you go, add that up.

Sorry i thought we were talking RB25... Didn't know stag's came in RB20....

for that sorta money i would have thought putting a 26 in would be a better option, for the long run anyway....