An Amicable Discussion On P Platers And The Law.

[Shayde]

Long story short, it's only 2 years and 2 pretty important years at that. You need to look at this as tough love.

If you have the kind of mentality that says "EVERYONE DOES BURNOUTS AND IF YOU SAY YOU DON'T YOU'RE KIDDING YOURSELF" then you're one of the stereotypes these laws are targetting.

Yeah, you can hoon in any car, but putting them in less powerful cars and cars with less stigma attached to them is going to decrease the chances of people trying to show off.

They do it with bikes with engine size restrictions and that makes perfect sense. Spending 25-30 hours driving with L plates before putting you on your own doesn't give you the experience you need.

[Marco-R34GTT]

If you have the kind of mentality that says "EVERYONE DOES BURNOUTS AND IF YOU SAY YOU DON'T YOU'RE KIDDING YOURSELF" then you're one of the stereotypes these laws are targetting. Yeah, you can hoon in any car, but putting them in less powerful cars and cars with less stigma attached to them is going to decrease the chances of people trying to show off.

I agree only to a certain extent, putting young people into a cheapo, underpowered hack only reinforces the 'it is a cr@p car and I don't give a sh1t' that is just as damaging as the one you outlined... Well, that is only from personal experience anyway, I felt that way about my VL hack, I got nicked by the coppers, got slapped with a summons and learnt the hard way, problem is, many young blokes DON'T learn..

Sigh..

What can you do....

[Magic]

I'm a P-Plater and I'm for the new law to be honest. *dont hurt me.*

I'll probably be off it by the time the new law is implemented but yeh I think it needs to be done. Maybe not two years but, red plate phase I think is enough. Living in Rockingham and driving a 34, every P-Plater in a tryhard s13 or v8 commo or xr6 turbo tries to race me. My car is much quicker than theirs even on stock boost and sometimes i really wish some lose control in the wet and hit a pole just so they learn the hard way.

If the new law prevents one d!ckhead from killing himself on crash impact because the car he was driving that he crashed didnt get to the higher speed that it would have been if he were in a v8, which would have lead to death, for example, the new law has done it's job imo.

I admit I speed and tbh I know I wouldn't speed as much if I drove a 'generic' car like a excel. It just brings even more unwanted attention that I wouldn't want lol. Early red platers just need to develop the driving experience and judgement before they get big heads (generally) and focus on giving some bov action to the 17yo girls waiting at the bus stop after school. (dont act like you've never done it.)

Edited August 28, 2008 by Magic

[Nizmo]

Is there a way for me to un-enroll?

Move Somehow when paul went to vote after we had moved they wouldn't let him and they didn't make it easy for him to reenroll so he never did

[br3ndan]

focus on giving some bov action to the 17yo girls waiting at the bus stop after school. (dont act like you've never done it.)

LOL!

ah, ive done that so many times and ive been off my ps for 2 or 3 years already!

ahhh, i need to grow up =p ^^*

[bubba]

I don't try and bov people.. I try to give them a nice loud bang and a flame from the exhaust.. landed a beauty last night on some dude walking to his broken down car on Tonkin Hwy

Once I have gate, I'll probably be driving around looking for people to "gate"

[SN1P3R]

Im going to make my family say im dead so i dont have to vote...

[seul_avec]

hey guys,

i dont think that the laws will do much good. YES i will prevent P platers from driving powerful cars, but then i think that there are still

cars out there such as lancers and hondas which can be pretty fast at top speed, just that i will take longer for them to get to the

top speed. LOL .. i saw a news today in the west.com.au site. Some young kids crashed their BMW (probably parents one) into a tree

3 out of 4 ppl died on the spot the other is fighting for her life in the hospital. My point is, if the laws come into place and P platers

cannot drive powerful cars anymore they will still find their way out of it somehow and settle for less powerful cars, which could do

the same top speed as a GTST, im not saying its not a good law (altho it is stupid to a certain degree) but then it may prevent some

crashes with a pwowerful car, thats about it. People will still crash with a not so powerful car.

PS: http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?Men...ContentID=95026

cheers,

don

[GODTHRILA]

The question that everyone should be asking is "why would the government (which ever party) want to bring this to law?"...

The answer is simple... they want to lower accidents and hopefully lower road deaths.

Its common knowledge that the vast majority or accidents (fatal or non-fatal) are involving young male drivers. Now this isn't taking into account what kind of car they are driving it is simply a statistic showing that that particular demographic is either far more careless or just very unlucky... the most likely is careless.

So how do you stop or reduce this particular demographic from being so careless?

- You obviously can't have a cop, government official, parent, etc. watching each individual everytime they get behind the wheel,

- You can't trust each individual to just "do the right thing"... if you could there would be a very different statistic in that demographic,

- You can't tell them they can't get a licence until they are 25, because the reality is that they need transport for work and socail freedom

The only fair thing left is to limit their cars in an atempt to reduce the careless driving. This limit would mean lack of power meaning slower acceleration and slower max speeds. Also it usually goes hand-in-hand that smaller power cars (4 cyl) are generally much smaller in size, making them less of a handfull to control and manuver at speed, should they still decide to push the envelope.

I am not blind to the fact that a 4 cyl car is just as much a deadly weapon as a V6, V8, turbo or supercharged car, but as I mentioned above what are the other alternatives? I am also sure that the politicians are not blind to the fact that even with this law in place, there is still total idiots out there that will cause accidents with power limited cars, and people will die as a concequence... the aim is to reduce this to the absolute minimum

P platers are in essence new drivers and although they have passed theory and practicle tests... nothing beats common sense and hands on experience. The fact is that new drivers (or drivers still learning through experience) should be eased into the world of piloting a leathal weapon... not handed something that is too much for them to handle and offers too much temptation to be careless.

"The only thing needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing"... a very fitting quote for this topic. The good men (well as good as a politician can get!!!) could sit back and do nothing, but how will that help things? It simply wouldn't, and road accidents and deaths would continue to increase. Bringing this into law may not be the right answer, but at least something is being done which is always better than nothing when it comes to saving lives.

Anyone in here that is against this becoming law, take a second and just think of your closest family member/friend. Now ask yourself if you would trade their life for an extra few cylinders, a turbo or a blower? If your answer is yes then I suggest you take a good hard look at yourself.

[s2k12]

I am not blind to the fact that a 4 cyl car is just as much a deadly weapon as a V6, V8, turbo or supercharged car, but as I mentioned above what are the other alternatives?

Driver education.

[zonk]

If you are on your p plates and have say a R33 GTST stock turbo before the law comes in , or even a v8.. Will you have to change car and sell it to get a less powerfull car? Coz if thats the case the goverment can jam them selves .. If someone got some facts on this plz tell me ..

[ZXY]

i think the law will not affect existing p platers but new ones. However, the car restricted in question must be registered to your name before the law comes into effect. If its not in your name, you cant drive it after the law comes into effect.

[GODTHRILA]

Driver education.

The fact that they have obtained a license in the first place shows they have (under the current system) gone through:

1) A 30 question multiple choice theory test

2) Some kind of supervised driving leading in preperation for further testing (its mentioned that 100-120 hours is something to aim for)

3) A practical driving test with a licensing examiner

4) Log book driving for 6 months with a minimum of 25 hours driving across various conditions

5) A hazard perception test

That is a pretty intense education program... especially considering back when I got my license, all I had to do was 30 multiple choice questions for L's and then a practicle test for P's... there was no minimum requirement for supervised driving.

Think about 17y/o kids that have just spent the last 6+ months being "educated" in correct driving technique. Do you honestly think a 1-2 day course of them locking up breaks, sliding over cones, spinning through wet areas in a controlled environment is going to alter their point of view as to how "hard" they drive? The ones that do this for the right reasons are generally the ones that you don't need to worry about on the roads anyway. The others (like me many years ago) just think that a driver training course made them a better driver... more in control in out-of-control situations. Basically it has the potential to make the cocky even cockier and in effect making matter worse than improving them.

Having said that, I am all for driver training as the more time you can spend having someone show you how to handle a car, the better equipped you are should you get into trouble. I just don't see this as a solution, as driver training has been available for years and years and although not compulsory, as mentioned above, new drivers have just been through 6+ months of training so it still should be fresh in their minds what is the right thing to do.

No amount of driver training will make an idiot driver a safe driver.

[Dingus]

Practical test just shows you know how to stay in your lane and that you can park, nothing that says you know how to really handle your car is something goes pear-shaped. I've always been mixed on the needing more driving education thing, sure it sounds good to get them to go out and learn the limits of a car and what to do when things go wrong, BUT if you do that how many more P platers will there be on the road who think they can handle anything and therefore push the limits more.

My solution, screw it all, let them do whatever and just let natural selection work it's magic.

[dan_the_man]

Guys... you have to remember. The government has to make it look like its doing something about the problem.

the first thing you hear people say when they see images of a crash involving young drivers in performance cars is "don’t let them have such powerful cars"

It’s everyone’s first response and it seems like a good solution. As much of a band aid as it is, by making this the law it makes the government look like its doing something about the issue.

It would be interesting to see some statistics on road accidents involving young drivers before and after the legislation was implemented over east

[Slowpoke]

My solution, screw it all, let them do whatever and just let natural selection work it's magic.

That's how I learned last time as well.. can't put too much pressure on the kids.. just gotta let them go on their own and nature will take its path..

[GODTHRILA]

My solution, screw it all, let them do whatever and just let natural selection work it's magic.

That's how I learned last time as well.. can't put too much pressure on the kids.. just gotta let them go on their own and nature will take its path..

You guys can't be serious???

Does the name Sophie Delezio ring any bells to you? Wasn't a hoon driver but my point being that if during this "natural selection" they run into a childcare centre and take out a few kids I guess that is just... um... natural selection as well huh!?!?

[nism0man]

for those who think P platers cant drive.....GROW SOME f*kING EYES THERE DRIVING JUST LIKE PPL WHO ARNT ON THERE P's

alot of the time hoons are ppl that arnt on P's.....f*k THE GOV

STOOPID LAW nuff said

[Mayuri Krab]

i think the law will not affect existing p platers but new ones. However, the car restricted in question must be registered to your name before the law comes into effect. If its not in your name, you cant drive it after the law comes into effect.

Glad I got that done, dam laws can't touch me now . Also is the car registered under my name the minute I pay that transfer fee (I did it at a post office) or do I have to wait for them to sent back some kind of receipt? Also is there a website for me to check, can't seem to find it on the license center site...

My solution, screw it all, let them do whatever and just let natural selection work it's magic.

Humans have being screwing with natural selection for a long time... think about it, every time someone has a serious illness, most of the time they can be successfully treated & recovers from hospital, but if its up to natural selection, they would mostly be dead.

Guys... you have to remember. The government has to make it look like its doing something about the problem.

+1

It would be interesting to see some statistics on road accidents involving young drivers before and after the legislation was implemented over east

Can't they just fake the stats? Isn't it what governments are best at?

[GODTHRILA]

for those who think P platers cant drive.....GROW SOME f*kING EYES THERE DRIVING JUST LIKE PPL WHO ARNT ON THERE P's

alot of the time hoons are ppl that arnt on P's.....f*k THE GOV

STOOPID LAW nuff said

The arguement isn't that they can't drive or that they are the only ones that "hoon". The case is that they are looking at ways to reduce accidents and road deaths which when you "grow some f*king eyes" and look at the statistics, the larger percentile is made up of young drivers with not much driving experience.

Thats what it comes down to... you don't see motorbike guys jumping straight onto a 1300cc hyabusa, pilots jumping straight into an Airbus 380 or F-22, or if you want to talk cars... no one gets a cams license and jumps straight into V8 supercars?

It's experience and progression into something that the individual is both realistically and responsibly ready for... not what their ego says they are ready for.

If you look at the WA licensing system as a whole (meaning all classes), you will see that there is already a progreesion system in place for different types of vehicles... check out the link... http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/licensing/yourlicence/1369.asp

It's showing right there that different class vehicles require different license levels due to the experience needed to drive each particular vehicle.

Experience, Experience, Experience... need it be said anymore.