Video: Chinese Built Chery Failing A Crash Test

[TheTunersGroup]

http://www.autosavant.com/2007/08/08/chery...l-a-crash-test/ reads ...

"designed to replicate the often-cited EuroNCAP offset barrier test ... The car continued deforming past the rear edge of the front fender and continued until the crash test dummy driver's face was as far forward as the barrier!

Don't take my word for it - see it for yourself below.

The test dummy became so entwined in the wreckage that it had to be removed from the car in pieces; he basically became part of the dashboard and steering wheel.

The results were so bad that AvtoRevu called on Chery to immediately withdraw the car from the market. Chery declined to do so."

Video is here ...

http://www.autosavant.com/2007/08/08/chery...l-a-crash-test/

And guess what ? ...

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/4080/atec...mobile-company/

Reads ...

"Ateco, the exclusive importer of Ferrari, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Citroen and Fiat products for Australia and New Zealand has extended its interests to cars from China.

The company’s Managing Director, Neville Crichton, announced yesterday that a distributorship agreement for Australia and New Zealand had been signed with Chery Automobile Company ...

Ateco initially expects to launch three Chery models early in 2009 – a light and a small passenger car plus a small SUV. Chery has four new models to unveil later this year and plans to release 38 new models over the next five years."

- Adam

[Proximity Motorsport]

wow that was a pretty bad crash... Would not want to see those cars on the streets

[NYTSKY]

Damn! I just ordered the Luxury Pack.

[eeiko321]

http://www.autosavant.com/2007/08/08/chery...l-a-crash-test/ reads ...

Video is here ...

http://www.autosavant.com/2007/08/08/chery...l-a-crash-test/

And guess what ? ...

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/4080/atec...mobile-company/

Reads ...

- Adam

that shouldnt be called a "Chery"....

should be called a "Lemon" instead........

[GTR-N1]

that shouldnt be called a "Chery"....

should be called a "Lemon" instead........

They can't even spell C-H-E-R-Y correctly. So why should they merit the right spelling for L-E-M-O-N???

It should be L-E-M-M-I-N-G!

[funkymonkey]

Fortunately for us before ANY car is allowed for sale or import into Australia it must meet out very very strict safety standards. Now in your line of retail there may be no regulatory body to prevent dodgy chinese manufacturers to replicate your product and sell it cheaper with less quality control, but when it comes to cars, and their safety, Australian regulation has it well under control (in fact some forum members might have even been pulled up on altering their vehicles to a point where they don't meet these standards I'd even hazard a guess that some products you sell help break these safety regulations when used on road going cars instead of race cars as recommended).

Chery might make the most atrocious cars on earth, BUT if they're gonna even put one wheel on Australian soil they'll have to get past the Australian regulatory bodies... something even American and European manufacturers fail to do constantly (some Ford manufactured trucks, Rover 100 etc. in fact, the worst NCAP rating ever given to a car was for the Rover 100. You should watch the footage of that test, it was worse than the one you posted). There's also independent testing by ANCAP, who's data most manufacturers (or in this case importers) will consult prior to investing so heavily in a car.

[TheTunersGroup]

Fortunately for us before ANY car is allowed for sale or import into Australia it must meet out very very strict safety standards. Now in your line of retail there may be no regulatory body to prevent dodgy chinese manufacturers to replicate your product and sell it cheaper with less quality control but when it comes to cars, and their safety, Australian regulation has it well under control (in fact some forum members might have even been pulled up on altering their vehicles to a point where they don't meet these standards I'd even hazard a guess that some products you sell help break these safety regulations when used on road going cars instead of race cars as recommended).

We don't "help break safety regulations". As it says on our terms and conditions of sale page ...

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"WARNING

All parts sold ... except for street legal/DOT approved parts, are racing parts for off road use only. Federal and many State laws prohibit the removal, modification, or rendering inoperable of any device or element of design affecting the vehicle emission or safety in a vehicle used on public highways."

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That said, one of our manufacturers was a founding member of the industry group that developed the safety standards for aftermarket products in Japan, and their products are put through extremely rigourous safety testing in Japan, so they definitely take safety very seriously.

- Adam

[(B1) MR_fanny]

that was like god scrunching up aluminuim foil. absolute shocker. i waited to see if the dummy would get up and cry for help like simpsons.

[Iron Chef]

Fortunately for us before ANY car is allowed for sale or import into Australia it must meet out very very strict safety standards. Now in your line of retail there may be no regulatory body to prevent dodgy chinese manufacturers to replicate your product and sell it cheaper with less quality control, but when it comes to cars, and their safety, Australian regulation has it well under control (in fact some forum members might have even been pulled up on altering their vehicles to a point where they don't meet these standards I'd even hazard a guess that some products you sell help break these safety regulations when used on road going cars instead of race cars as recommended).

Chery might make the most atrocious cars on earth, BUT if they're gonna even put one wheel on Australian soil they'll have to get past the Australian regulatory bodies... something even American and European manufacturers fail to do constantly (some Ford manufactured trucks, Rover 100 etc. in fact, the worst NCAP rating ever given to a car was for the Rover 100. You should watch the footage of that test, it was worse than the one you posted). There's also independent testing by ANCAP, who's data most manufacturers (or in this case importers) will consult prior to investing so heavily in a car.

Beat me to it

[funkymonkey]

We don't "help break safety regulations". As it says on our terms and conditions of sale page ...

<blah blah>

That said, one of our manufacturers was a founding member of the industry group that developed the safety standards for aftermarket products in Japan, and their products are put through extremely rigourous safety testing in Japan, so they definitely take safety very seriously.

Read my post more carefully, I did mention that it would help break the safety laws for aussie cars if used outside the recommended terms. Doesn't matter, that wasn't even the point I was making.

Although, I will say that Japan's safety requirements are a farce compared to Australia's... and their independent group approvals aren't worth the metal they're stamped on outside of Japan where more stringent laws apply.

For example:

JASMA approval needs a 98db clearance on an exhaust. Australian law says 90db. Sustained exposure (anything around 3 hours a day) to anything above 95db will result in permanent hearing loss. 98db is roughly 8 times louder than 95db, and its perfectly fine to drive around in a car making 98db according to their safety standards.

[TheTunersGroup]

Although, I will say that Japan's safety requirements are a farce compared to Australia's... and their independent group approvals aren't worth the metal they're stamped on outside of Japan where more stringent laws apply

What, like Australia where there are no safety regulations enforced on many aftermarket products at all ?

For example:

JASMA approval needs a 98db clearance on an exhaust. Australian law says 90db. Sustained exposure (anything around 3 hours a day) to anything above 95db will result in permanent hearing loss. 98db is roughly 8 times louder than 95db, and its perfectly fine to drive around in a car making 98db according to their safety standards.

Are you sure that "98db is roughly 8 times louder than 95db" ?

http://trace.wisc.edu/docs/2004-About-dB/

reads...

dB SPL (Sound Pressure Level) (20dB = 10x)

The term “SPL” stands for sound pressure level. SPL measures are taken with respect to the minimum threshold for human hearing. A 20 dB difference in SPL represents a ratio of ten-to-one in sound pressure.

Thus, a 40dB SPL would be a sound pressure level that is 100 times greater than the sound pressure level of the quietest sound that normal human hearing can detect.

Perception of Loudness (20dB = 4x)

Interestingly, our perception of loudness is not the same as sound pressure level. Although the actual formulae

is somewhat complex, as a rough rule of thumb, an increase of 10db SPL is perceived to be approximately twice as loud.

Thus a 20 Db gain would seem to be about 4 times as loud.

And a 40 Db gain would seem to be about 16 times as loud.

If you're talking about perception of loudness, then 115dB would be 4 times as loud as 95dB, so going on the "an increase of 10dB SPL is perceived to be approximately twice as loud" guide, to get to a sound that is 8 times as loud as 95dB, you'd need a sound of 125dB, not 98dB.

If you're talking about dB SPL (Sound Pressure Level 20dB = 10x) then a sound ten times louder than 95dB would be 115dB right ?

Also, the JASMA standards you mentioned are being changed ...

http://www.belgarage.com.au/index.php?opti...62&Itemid=1 reads ...

JASMA CERTIFIED items assures that our products can be used with trust and assurance.

JASMA CERTIFIED items are registered with the government to assure street legal items.

Our line-up guarantees the quality and testing cleared by JASMA

Certified items has the JASMA plate on each of our products.

JASMA members, such as 5ZIGEN has our own strenuous testing done as well as required by laws of JASMA.

NEW CHANGES IN THE REGULATIONS

PLEASE SEE THE DESCRIPTIONS BELOW FOR CURRENT REGULATIONS

THE NEW LAWS DO NOT REFLECT THE CURRENT VEHICLES ON THE ROAD TODAY.

The new laws reflect all vehicles sold from January, 2009 and all vehicles manufactured from December, 2010. All import vehicles from December, 2010 will also be reflected.

To make sure you know where your exhausts are manufactured, we recommend to check the following:

JASMA plate on the product

JASMA registeration number

PLEASE BE KINDLY REMINDED THAT ONLY JASMA MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED TO SELL PRODUCTS WITH A JASMA PLATE.

For more information, please visit the official JASMA website: http://www.jasma.org/

The Japanese have a large range of safety tests performed on aftermarket products including Material Hardness Tests, Material Tensile Tests, Static load bending tests, Static load torsion tests, Static load fatigue bending tests, Static load fatigue torsion tests and so on.

Safety standards in Japan are also set by ASEA (Auto Sports & Special Equipment Association) which is the Japanese equivalent of SEMA.

Additional test methods for aftermarket products in Japan are are defined by the public JASO standards and JIS Standards.

It's very clear that the Japanese take safety very seriously.

- Adam

[funkymonkey]

What I'm trying to say is that the standard they comply and test so rigorously to are sometimes too lenient that they will not satisfy australian standards in most cases. You can put it through as much quality control and testing as you want, but if the benchamark is set too low, then meeting the benchmark means nothing.

In Australia, in automotive aftermarket products, they need to meet government set, ISO standard derived ADR standards, in other industries there are other ISO standards which need to be met. Not every part sold in Japan is some high quality product of billions of dollars of research or years of time... similarly in Australia there are parts which are sold legally which aren't standards approved, and its not policed because the government couldn't care less about the miniscule sector that is aftermarket parts.

As for the standards themselves that you mention... JIS, JASO and ASEA standards are set by associations with a vested interest in the businesses which are its members, or simply don't have enough jurasdiction to have to be enforced (companies can elect to meet these standards if they want to), as such they're only partially accepted internationally.

[TheTunersGroup]

What I'm trying to say is that the standard they comply and test so rigorously to are sometimes too lenient that they will not satisfy australian standards in most cases. You can put it through as much quality control and testing as you want, but if the benchamark is set too low, then meeting the benchmark means nothing.

Which kinds of benchmarks are you referring to there ? Noise standards ? (see my post above about the changes to the JASMA standards and the dB question).

Anyway, we're probably getting way OT here - interesting discussion though

Anyone got any other crash test videos ?

- Adam

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

i say bring on the cherry... if i get t-boned by one in my 33 then i'll just buff out the scratches in the clear, clean off the blood and dismembered limbs and drive on

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

LOL sounds good.. and have highway rules that are applied to the autobahn too yeah?

since the discusion of aus standards regarding exhausts.. why is it that we arent aloud more than 90dB but a harley davidson shit box is aloud 11ty billion dB and deafen the f**k outta me when they drive past with my window down

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

afaik they're not allowed it... its more of a blind eye thing.

[TheTunersGroup]

LOL sounds good.. and have highway rules that are applied to the autobahn too yeah?

since the discusion of aus standards regarding exhausts.. why is it that we arent aloud more than 90dB but a harley davidson shit box is aloud 11ty billion dB and deafen the f**k outta me when they drive past with my window down

The new noise cameras being trialled in Australia will likely affect many bikes ...

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/10703/aus...-noise-cameras/

- Adam

[Sl!m]

LOL sounds good.. and have highway rules that are applied to the autobahn too yeah?

since the discusion of aus standards regarding exhausts.. why is it that we arent aloud more than 90dB but a harley davidson shit box is aloud 11ty billion dB and deafen the f**k outta me when they drive past with my window down

I don't ride a bike and don't have to much interest in them so I don't know if this is fact, though I am pretty sure Bikes are allowed a louder dB reading for safety. A lot of people fail to look for bikes coming up behind them but you can usually hear when one is around you and that makes you double check.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

The new noise cameras being trialled in Australia will likely affect many bikes ...

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/10703/aus...-noise-cameras/

- Adam

i'm sooo gonna stand behind these with an air horn till the hdd fails

[DAS KAMU]

LOL sounds good.. and have highway rules that are applied to the autobahn too yeah?

since the discusion of aus standards regarding exhausts.. why is it that we arent aloud more than 90dB but a harley davidson shit box is aloud 11ty billion dB and deafen the f**k outta me when they drive past with my window down

the po po may be a little scared to pull over "mad dog" as "mad dog" and his mates spider , bazza , warren and steve have ways of getting back at the officer

dont they.....................