Why The Jim Berry Clutch Thread Lock?

[260DET]

It was interesting and potentially educational, so one person gets an attitude and its locked

[666DAN]

*Waits for this thread to be locked*

[and3_3]

You piss off an admin what do you expect?

[SilverECR33]

its a Jim berry Conspiricy.. ..

[2rismo]

It turned into a slanging match with personal insults and disparaging/potentially libelous remarks.

[Rhinorebel]

So, as long as your point of view was recorded, the thread had to shut just after that??? Removal of aforementioned posts that were potentially libelous and a PM to the post author may have had a better result.

The absolute power corrupts absolutely...

[2rismo]

So, as long as your point of view was recorded, the thread had to shut just after that??? Removal of aforementioned posts that were potentially libelous and a PM to the post author may have had a better result.

The absolute power corrupts absolutely...

Everyone gave their point of view but when the libelous statements were questioned both in the thread and via pm, there was no response. Personal insults were made and as the thread had degenerated beyond salvation it was closed.

If you see a problem with that then I suggest you report whichever actions/posts you have a problem with to a moderator.

[Gts-t]

Timberlake: Cry me a riverrrrrrrrrrr

If noel says the clutch was underspecced, im going to belive him.

Edited December 13, 2008 by Gts30t

[2rismo]

Timberlake: Cry me a riverrrrrrrrrrr

If noel says the clutch was underspecced, im going to belive him.

Forget me crying you a river. What happens when the owners of the forum are issued with legal documents from the business owner? Will you be so smug then?

[wrxkilla]

From a spectator's point, it appears to me, the user in question purchased an appropriately specified clutch that re-used a standard pressure plate that is not anti-burst...

It exploded while being used within the constraints of normal use for such clutch.

Nothing wrong with him reporting on the internet what happened in his specific case, and his opinion of the product through his specific dealings. I don't see how this is a problem for SAU...

tbh, I'm more suprised someone of the manufacture's stature in the industry would stick his head in the sand over ths issue...

[FineLine]

I appreciate the support guys but let it be. Those of you that know me also know i dont deal in bullshit.

The broken parts are now on my shed wall as a reminder to do more research in future.

Given the amount of liners that grace my shed for various reasons enough will get to see it and draw their own conclusions.

On a positive note the Chair is back together and going to scotts on tuesday for the new dump then fire up and away we go again.

Huge thanks To Dan from Elite Racing developments for his support and talent in screwing the new engine back together and to Shanef, Terry, Wazza, and others for their assistance in reassembling it all.

Stellar work blokes and you have my gratitude.

[Gts-t]

Forget me crying you a river. What happens when the owners of the forum are issued with legal documents from the business owner? Will you be so smug then?

If you are refering soley to me then yeah i can afford to be smug, ive said nothing to damage a business. I have met noel a few times and know him to be a very decent person within the car community, stating if i belive somone or not on a forum is not a crime.

Edited December 14, 2008 by Gts30t

[wrxkilla]

That's awesome news.

any chance of it coming for a skid on the 20th at Willowbank?

Mick

[Rhinorebel]

I would say none whatsoever!!! As there has been put in place a very strict run-in procedure by Elite Racing Developments!!! A quarter mile doesn't figure into it!!!

[IanB]

From what I read, someone made a point about the clutch being 2nd hand? I dont think it had ever been fitted to any car prior to noels but I dont want to get involved or respark the arguement... And I might be wrong...

[2rismo]

If you are refering soley to me then yeah i can afford to be smug, ive said nothing to damage a business. I have met noel a few times and know him to be a very decent person within the car community, stating if i belive somone or not on a forum is not a crime.

It's really easy to understand if you try. The job of Moderators/Admins isn't just to move threads into their right sub-forum and dish out warnings when juveniles get personal and abuse other users during school holidays. We have a real role in protecting the owner of this forum from flippant, throw-away comments that could personally impact them financially and legally.

I didn't say you'd said anything libelous about a business but you seem pretty happy for others to do so, even though this practice could put the entire operation of the forum in jeopardy.

If you don't like how the forum is run then I suggest you click the "Report Post" button and have someone else deal with it. I have a feeling you'll get the same answer though.

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

well 2rismo.. my comment was harmless.. i read about noels plight.. and posted that as a funny haha..

[2rismo]

The point wasn't for everyone to think that it was about them but to simply think about the repercussions if a business owner should choose to take things further. SAU isn't owned by some random faceless blob. There are real people with real assets that can get sued...for real. Basically, this website and forum aren't your private playground.

Just think, guys and girls. That's all I'm saying.

[260DET]

From a spectator's point, it appears to me, the user in question purchased an appropriately specified clutch that re-used a standard pressure plate that is not anti-burst...

It exploded while being used within the constraints of normal use for such clutch.

Nothing wrong with him reporting on the internet what happened in his specific case, and his opinion of the product through his specific dealings. I don't see how this is a problem for SAU...

tbh, I'm more suprised someone of the manufacture's stature in the industry would stick his head in the sand over ths issue...

The point that interested me was the contention that an anti burst cover should have been used, no mention of a pressure plate. So I was wondering what an anti burst cover was, a quick google did not turn up anything.

By the pics it looked like the pressure plate had exploded which is a scarey thing, my car has a single plate JB 'full monty' clutch so I'm wondering what sort of pressure plate was used in it. Not a cast one I hope.

Then again what clutch manufacturers give details of the materials used in there pressure plates? Nodular iron is the only one I've heard of.

[JJay]

The point wasn't for everyone to think that it was about them but to simply think about the repercussions if a business owner should choose to take things further. SAU isn't owned by some random faceless blob. There are real people with real assets that can get sued...for real. Basically, this website and forum aren't your private playground.

Just think, guys and girls. That's all I'm saying.

I'm not going to get involved nor say anythin further then this, but just to remind you that the forum can only be sued if the comments are found to be of defamation character towards the business (in other words, the statements are incorrect/false/lies). If such statements are posted on the users behalf that are correct, then the forum stands the grounds of being allowed to have such comments posted legally as it concludes that the comment posted is in fact correct. If a business cant handle the truth being told to other fellow friends/members/enthusiasts, then they shouldn't be in business at all if they cant handle the bad criticism given.

Also, i didnt see the thread being deleted/hidden so if your worried about the forum being sued, maybe you should delete/hide it as well so you stop ALL posibilties from being sued if your that worried and contact such involved parties within the thread to inform them why it was deleted/hidden.

That's my 2c's.

Enjoy the advise

Edited December 15, 2008 by JJay