2009 F1 Season

[TALBO]

Even Coulthard thought Webs was penalised too harshly.

His mate and former team mate too....

[Swiper the Fox]

f**king a. if anyone hit me that hard they would be digging themselves out of the kitty litter on the next corner.

f1 has had a long and crap history of aggressively dangerous driving, its great to see a crack down on it. Bad luck for webber with the timing but I'm glad they ruled this way

agree...the penalty was cruel to us aussie's but fair to the sport. Marks radiator pod struck Rubens front left quite hard and im surprised there wasn't any permanent damage.

It also made the race more exciting to watch...as Mark would have been 40+ seconds in front without the drive through.

[TALBO]

agree...the penalty was cruel to us aussie's but fair to the sport. Marks radiator pod struck Rubens front left quite hard and im surprised there wasn't any permanent damage.

That's what my problem with it was, he made contact with Rubens

[lmanion]

The decision to give webber the penalty was the right one however i think people are getting annoyed with the inconsistency in the rulings. there was no damage done and webber lost the spot, when in australia rubens ran into webber from behind ruining his race and nothing was done about it People just want to see consistency when these things happen.

[dezz]

Funny to see webber still must have a leg problem too as he was wearing some kind of brace/pad on his right knee and looked a bit stiff out of the car. he could drive with his face on fire I reckon and just about has in the past.

Am I the only one that thought his leg would snap in half when he jumped down off the car? Would've put a slightly sour note on his celebrations

As for the penalty, in live time I thought straight away that he'd get done. The front on camera angle of the cars coming down to turn 1 made it look like a pretty sharp movement, but the on-board doesn't look as aggressive. Now I'm only going by memory as I don't have the footage at hand, but I seem to remember Rubens was gathering Webber up pretty quickly and had the inside line, so I dare say the position was his as long as he held it into turn 1. When Webber hit him, you can see he (Rubens) slowed, so I can't agree that Webber hitting him cost Mark a place, as in my opinion he had all but lost it to Rubens already.

At the end of the day, penalty worthy or not, I think it was a bit of brain fade on Webber's part. He knew he was running longer than the Brawns and therefore had no reason to need to be in front of Rubens. Even when behind he managed to stay with him which was always going to be more than enough to jump him at the first round of stops.

[Beer Baron]

That's what my problem with it was, he made contact with Rubens

The decision to give webber the penalty was the right one however i think people are getting annoyed with the inconsistency in the rulings. there was no damage done and webber lost the spot, when in australia rubens ran into webber from behind ruining his race and nothing was done about it People just want to see consistency when these things happen.

exactly.

talbo mate you have a serious case of one eye welded shut. as best I can tell the FIA dishes out punishment based on the quality of the pina colada they are sipping at the time the 'incident' happens.

Just think honestly for a moment about how different it would've been had Rubens been the Aussie in that near colossal accident, that's all I'm saying.

lol, near colossal accident my hairy arse. that's like saying me buying a lottery ticket is a near colossal windfall. nothing happened. it's like saying every grid start is a near death experience because 2 drivers come close to stalling or breaking a clutch and we all know if you're on row 1, by the time to bloke on row 10 gets to you he has a fair turn of speed on, and if he hits you, you may both die. but it didn't happen did it?

neither car was damage and neither driver lost or gained anything out of the incident. if anything webber lost a bit as he probably backed off as he saw and hit rubes. like he said in the interview he thought rubes was coming up the left and he was moving over to take the inside. rubes was in the perfect spot to avoid it, was no where near being backed into the wall and he easily see webber in front of him and knew exactly where webber was. and he chose to say 'fk you i'm going to just sit here and if you hit me then so be it'. mark was moving right to left long before rubes got to be alongside him. he could have made some room for himself but chose not to. it was a racing incident. sure the blame may lie a little more towards mark, but either way based on past rulings no way did webber deserve a drive through. I mean kimi just smashed up sutil and took him out of the race and nothing was done about that (as far as I know)....

But having said all that, thank god they did penalise him. otherwise there'd be all sorts of little girls whining about how unfair it is that webber wasn't penalised and how rubens would have won if webber had a drive through and how he didn't deserve to win. and how his first win was tainted. at least now there is nothing to whinge about. he took the penalty and won the race. good on him.

[Beer Baron]

Am I the only one that thought his leg would snap in half when he jumped down off the car? Would've put a slightly sour note on his celebrations

lol, when he jumped up onto the car and he had his little leg pad on I thought poor guy, he's still fighting it, then he jumped off the thing and landed pretty heavily and i think his next few steps were taken a bit gingerly. I think he overdid that jump a bit! It would have damped things a bit if he had to limp onto the podium on the shoulders of vettel and massa.

[dezz]

If only I could find the clip from the Simpsons episode where the Korean Gymnast breaks his leg on the perfect landing..

[Roy]

Schumacher was also crucified and punished for his transgressions!

Reminds me how Schuey got the blame for the incident in Adelaide in 1994 with Damon.... Funny thing is though, Damon pulled the same ambitious move on Schuey not even a year later in Silverstone but this time it was somehow deemed Hill's fault. Of course.... this time it wasn't for the World title and this time the British commentators didn't feed horseshit down the throats of TV viewers!

Anyone remember what the Un-Australian Mark Webber did to Schuey in Monaco 2006..... and for what.... 1 grid position!!!! Just imagine had that been a British or Australian driver who avoided colliding with the wall at Rascasse in qualifying!!! They would've called that a great save or some shit....

All i ask for is consistancy, and Rubens did worse to Mark in Australia. Buemi rear ended Vettel under yellows in a straight line and didnt get penalised. I dont believe Webber should have been penalised. Not based on otehr decisions they have made last year, and not based on the incident itself. How often are there clashes to tyres and pods in the first lap from drivers jockying for position? None of them got penalised.

I have come to like Webber, never claimed he was a world beater, but calling that decision weak as piss doesnt make me a one eyed Webber fan. It at worse makes me a bad judge of a racing incident. I will absolutely call it the same way irrespective of who it was driving. Just like in Aus, when Webber got punted by Rubens, it sucked but Rubens didnt deserve a penalty...and its a good thing that he didnt get a penalty.

Anyway, lol different points of view are always interesting....doesnt appear as though parties are going to see this one eye to eye

[TALBO]

exactly.

talbo mate you have a serious case of one eye welded shut. as best I can tell the FIA dishes out punishment based on the quality of the pina colada they are sipping at the time the 'incident' happens.

lol, near colossal accident my hairy arse. that's like saying me buying a lottery ticket is a near colossal windfall. nothing happened. it's like saying every grid start is a near death experience because 2 drivers come close to stalling or breaking a clutch and we all know if you're on row 1, by the time to bloke on row 10 gets to you he has a fair turn of speed on, and if he hits you, you may both die. but it didn't happen did it?

neither car was damage and neither driver lost or gained anything out of the incident. if anything webber lost a bit as he probably backed off as he saw and hit rubes. like he said in the interview he thought rubes was coming up the left and he was moving over to take the inside. rubes was in the perfect spot to avoid it, was no where near being backed into the wall and he easily see webber in front of him and knew exactly where webber was. and he chose to say 'fk you i'm going to just sit here and if you hit me then so be it'. mark was moving right to left long before rubes got to be alongside him. he could have made some room for himself but chose not to. it was a racing incident. sure the blame may lie a little more towards mark, but either way based on past rulings no way did webber deserve a drive through. I mean kimi just smashed up sutil and took him out of the race and nothing was done about that (as far as I know)....

We'll agree to disagree then because if you seriously think that the incident last night was like any other F1 GP start then you haven't been watching many of them..... What if the contact did cause damage.... colossal accident potentially causing harm/death at those sorts of speeds. A stalled car or broken clutch is like trying to drive someone of the track... how so? But it didn't happen..... does that mean that a employer not acting on a 'near miss' or 'incident' report because it didn't happen are not liable for what happens next time?

You can take Webber's own account of what happened and believe what you will, at the end of the day was there a need to move across at Rubens? We're not talking about a 2nd gear corner here..... And I have one eye welded shut? Geezus you Webber fanboys should go back over what's in this thread..... If you didn't know any better you'd think the guy just won his 8th WDC!!! Fact is he won his 1st GP. Youi're a moderator (and I know this has nothing to do with it) and most of what I've seen you post makes 100% sense, not this one eyed nonsense.

How do you make that one Kimi's fault? Oh that's what the commentary said didn't they.....

[TALBO]

All i ask for is consistancy, and Rubens did worse to Mark in Australia. Buemi rear ended Vettel under yellows in a straight line and didnt get penalised. I dont believe Webber should have been penalised. Not based on otehr decisions they have made last year, and not based on the incident itself. How often are there clashes to tyres and pods in the first lap from drivers jockying for position? None of them got penalised.

I have come to like Webber, never claimed he was a world beater, but calling that decision weak as piss doesnt make me a one eyed Webber fan. It at worse makes me a bad judge of a racing incident. I will absolutely call it the same way irrespective of who it was driving. Just like in Aus, when Webber got punted by Rubens, it sucked but Rubens didnt deserve a penalty...and its a good thing that he didnt get a penalty.

I agree. Don't get me wrong, there are racing accidents and these are always going to be a part of any motorsports. I (me) don't think you can compare what Mark did by deliberately moving across on RB as in the same category as clashes of wheels and pods when drivers are vying for position.

, lol different points of view are always interesting....doesnt appear as though parties are going to see this one eye to eye

So true

[jase-r34]

As stated earlier, Buemi smashed into Vettel - No penalty. Why not? Was was Webber did worse than hitting someone from the rear under yellow flag conditions? Surely not. Inconsistency is what we are unhappy about, not so much the penalty itself (although I still firmly believe he did not deserve a drive through).

[jase-r34]

His mate and former team mate too....

I am well aware of that, he also drove F1 for how many years? Is his opinion not worth as much as yours though? For mine Coulthard's opinion is more valid than any of ours regardless of his relationship to Webber.

[wrxkilla]

I'm going to frame this farken TAB slip!

lol

i bet $100 on him too!

Go Webber. I hope he can properly fight for the title!

[TALBO]

I am well aware of that, he also drove F1 for how many years? Is his opinion not worth as much as yours though?

No. Go dig out Spa 1998 GP!

[jase-r34]

Wow, one mistake and his opinion is rendered worthless for life. Oh to be perfect!

Was one hell of a stack though! lol

[TALBO]

Wow, one mistake and his opinion is rendered worthless for life. Oh to be perfect!

Of course not. I guess the point I've been trying to make is there's a difference between racing accidents and racing accidents, some are more accident than others...

Differing opinions are what make great forum threads...

[jase-r34]

Agreed! Bring on Race win number 2 for Webs!

[Slow S13]

Webber represent!

Awesome!!

[Anthony13]

Good win for Webber.

Good to see Ferrari on the podium.

Good to see Brawn over shadowed by Redbull.

Good Race