Demerit Points...

[eeiko321]

Hi guys

since i started a thread about losing points....

since day one i got off my L's and got my full liscence back in 1998, i have never had clean points, or 12 points left...or 12 points to lose ...

everytime i get them back after 2 and 3 years...i always seem to do something silly and lose 3 again.

so the question here is..

who HERE has not lost a any points from 12?! ON THIER FULLS!?

[Primordial]

my mother has never lost a point. Does that count?

[Sl!m]

well since you dont loose them you gain them.. i haven't received any demerit points on my full licence.

[Liz]

my mother has GAINED more demerit points than me

i always do what you do though, I get 3 deducted (from being good) and then I gain 3 (from being bad) and it's a cycle, but I always maintain 9 demerit points lol

[R33 Ribby]

i lost one point doing 127km/h in a 110 zone 4 years ago havent lost one since so i guess i got 12 had a couple of defects but no points

[GoldZilla]

I've never gained a point against my license, and I got my P's waaaaaaay back in '91!!!

That was way before the whole 3-year thing. Apart from a few parking fines, I've only ever had one offence, where I got caught by a red light camera on New Year's Day, but I wrote in and got off because I had a genuine reason - there was a truck behind me when I went through, I didn't know if it was loaded or not (it was a rigid pantech with those tarpauline roll-down covers), and we'd just come off a long downhill stretch. I honestly didn't know if he would stop on time, there was hardly any traffic, so I weighed up the risk and took it...

Oh, I also got off a Neg driving charge when my car ran into another from behind (my old man's car, actually, as we were on our way out with two car-loads of visitors), but I hit his car because I was pushed from behind.

[nIsMo86]

I maintained my 12 points for about 6 months then i dropped to 9 points...where i have hovered around ever since

[Edge]

Based on the fact that you point out you are always do something 'silly' after you get your points back...

Obviously there should be community safety responsible driver training as a class at school which should require approval by parents for students at 14yo. Whereupon if a student demonstrates serious and safe attitude to driving upon watching safety videos showing what can go wrong and further in driving with peers in the car over a course run on Saturdays over serveral weeks of training, they will be issued with a full unrestricted license. Anyone who laughs or does not demonstrate serious safe attitude will be made to wait 2 more years before being elegible to apply again, and they will only be issued with a provisional licence upon graduation.

Lifelong benefits of initial pass include being approved to drive in right special lanes designated high speed. If a student takes the course and fails on first attempt they will have to wait until they are 30 before they are allowed to use the high speed lanes.

This is the only way to get the social responsibility message to be taken seriously with driving on public roads.

We need a politician who will institute free driver education into the school system.

Other than that I would like to complain about the way speed cameras are blatently used to make money out of law abiding citizens. Speed signs should be advisory and both the public and police should use speed advisory signs as a guide in conjunction with other driver behaviour to determine whether a breach of safe driving guidelines has occured. Ie there should be at least 2 observable offences not just speeding which is obviously acceptable to the majority of people since over 90% of people are speeding. At least set speed limits according to the speed at which 90% of people drive on a given stretch. To choose a speed limit - make the road speed advisory and then observe the majority of the public.

Finally to answer your question I have all my points and have had them all for over a decade, and I drive every day. However I believe it is a right for a citizen to drive and would willingly go to jail to defend that right as an act of civil disobedience if anyone tries to tell me I am not allowed to drive if somehow I ceased to have a licence. A licence is merely a certification of safe driving ability, not a permit, and as such it just wrong that anyone can be prevented from driving just for loosing points! Just this year the courts have resulted in a few people having already been made to do jail time in protest!

[eeiko321]

well good to see some people have not lost any points

or RTA likes to call them Gaining points....

yes it is like a cycle, its nearly coincidental

theyve made things pretty tough i must add, the 3 year replenishing of the points...i recall it was 2 years many moons ago (im pretty sure?) and now theyve added the 3 year P's rule...

but yet, i cant understand why there are an outburst of hoons these days....and MOST are on thier

green p's especially.

i was driving near Whetherill Pk yesterday arvo, and behind me was a Black 2005 - 2006 camry.

tailgating me, on a 60km/h zone...then he overtook me at 100km/h...i looked

it was a Fully Hectic Sick Habib with the crew cut hair, with the music blazing on his Green P's.

and to my suprise, after overtaking me...he nearly caused 2 accidents within a 50m stretch.

one, he was speeding and it confused the person turning/cutting across from up coming traffic. the person turned & didnt expect him to come up that quick.

then, in front of him he tailgated someone else and that person turned in a driveway, and it seemed like he was estimating that the person went straight in withought even slowing down....missing them by a Bee's dick. (ive ac tually experienced being behind someone and the person turned into a driveway but STOPPED, with half a car out in the lane...

and yes it was a car load of fully Habbiby hectic broz)

anyways what an asshole... he should really lose his liscence on this double demerit day.

i was kinda tempted to call the new Dob in a hoon NO# operated by the Police and council in the fairfield city...whom they guarantee whoever gets dobbed in...they will monitor thier cars & driving.

[R34 Sedan]

With all these speed camera's, what hope do we have?

[PORTS]

I have had a full quota of 12 points since 1988.

[turbosuk]

have not had a ticket for 18yrs

[4teecal]

First and last ticket was 1987. 160 in a 100 zone.

[Skylinehoney]

I Haven't lost a point ever...