Got Over 400kw Atw?

[The Bogan]

That graph is hilarious btw...

There would be some leaky eyes if a few big $$ spenders on this forum took a look bahaha

How is you car comming along mate ?

[Marko R1]

I'll dig up my dyno but I'm sure it was kw vs speed

it can be worked out though being in 4th gear

[Piggaz]

That graph is hilarious btw...

There would be some leaky eyes if a few big $$ spenders on this forum took a look bahaha

Which graph?!

[Marko R1]

Here it is...who can work out what power it makes at rev intervals?

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[GTR_JOEY]

The graph stevo is talking about, I assume it's that one you drew up haha

Yea good robo, made 375rwkw at 18 psi

Gonna up the boost, bigger feul system, e85 and play with gears...

See what happens, out on AACAP ATM

[Marko R1]

Hang on, is stevo referring to my graph for confirmation?

[Marko R1]

??? U referring to my setup here???

I tried to hold my tongue, I really did. It's almost comical hearing what people think will get them past the 400 mark from people that have never done it before. It is NOT as simple as bolting 2530's on (as an example as they're spoken about recently). If it was, everyone would've done it. Look at how many people get -5's with 24psi and get results around the 330-350 mark as another example.

Choosing parts for your car is not a matter of picking the shiniest parts from the biggest and most well known shops, it's about choosing the parts for their own individual merits. Example; There's one bloke going around with a built engine in his GTR who keeps on saying it makes heaps of HP and would be uncatchable but then you overlay the curves and it's as if he is using an RB20 ffs and the comparison curve is a bent 8. He has all these fancy brand name parts with a "bigger is better" attitude, and most of them are junk like split dump pipes, massive duration cams (because the idle sounds fully hectik bro and pullz da bitchez), drag size intercooler and the car has never been to any kind of track.

It's similar to the HKS GT-RS lover crowd who were arguing in some other thread recently (may have even been this one).......newsflash for you...............those turbos SUCK!!! Im able to say that because I've had them and while the curve was acceptable with my cams and engine the choofing and throttle response was certainly NOT acceptable, there is better out there! Open your damn eyes! My setup now MURDERS the GT-RS setup, I haven't found a GT-RS curve that's close to it eventhough the HKS GT-RS's are the best turbos known to man according to some, and even one of the most well known motors from Victoria's curve is behind the current setup on mine even with his variable cam as an advantage. But does that mean it's a good setup - in my eyes yes, but in other peoples eyes no because it doesnt have a huge aftermarket parts list.

Ash, Scott and Dan make very valid points about using the stock hardware gets good results and with a few parts added here and there you can have a total weapon. One of the seemingly most overlooked parts is intercooler piping. So often at meets/trackdays/workshops you see a car where the piping looks like it's been done by a 5 year old trying to put lego together, mismatched sizing included. That sort of thing makes a HUGE difference to how the car drives but for most it's a close enough is good enough situation.

Maybe I've lost my mind and care too much about the "small details" as designated by others, and that's probably the case! But IMO the small details are what separate it from the rest of the cars out there with big numbers (dyno queens) and the actually big hp AND fast cars (point to point). Anyone who's been in it or seen the graph will already know this.

Here ends my rant.

[N1GTR]

??? U referring to my setup here???

No

[Piggaz]

The graph stevo is talking about, I assume it's that one you drew up haha

Yea good robo, made 375rwkw at 18 psi

Gonna up the boost, bigger feul system, e85 and play with gears...

See what happens, out on AACAP ATM

Ah that one. Yeah it's pretty funny. It's around here somewhere haha

[GTR_JOEY]

Lol you got that shit framed and mounted to your ceiling... That way every morning you can wake up and have a laugh

[GTRNUR]

Have you got the same figures for GT-RS's handy?

I only have these figures on me right now;

3000rpm = 150rwkw

4000rpm = 235rwkw

Thats compared to the old setup;

3000rpm = 70rwkw

4000rpm = 120rwkw

Should add, not that it's slow, but these numbers are done with the wrong cams, i'm certain a cam change will net a bit more gain but with a new engine on the way the current one will stay as is and nothing be changed on it before its removed and stored somewhere

What size cams did you have in that old setup? 280/10.5's? I was making 80kw more at 4000 rpm with stock cams, no porting and GTRS's. I still agree with you that they aren't a great turbo though. I can't help but think HKS originally intended them to be used on drag only cars that wanted low mounts to pass as a standard looking.

What have you built Steve? Tell us of this new setup!

[Piggaz]

What size cams did you have in that old setup? 280/10.5's? I was making 80kw more at 4000 rpm with stock cams, no porting and GTRS's. I still agree with you that they aren't a great turbo though. I can't help but think HKS originally intended them to be used on drag only cars that wanted low mounts to pass as a standard looking.

What have you built Steve? Tell us of this new setup!

The cams were 270's @ 10.25 Ian.

[Nee-san]

Why are ID2000's $1500.00.

This is $250.00 per injector, isn't that a bit:

?

I mean, I can pay this if I have to, but really ?

It means I will have to stop buying skitzmix and maximum base compilations for a few weeks.

[Ryan1200]

Why are ID2000's $1500.00.

This is $250.00 per injector, isn't that a bit:

?

I mean, I can pay this if I have to, but really ?

It means I will have to stop buying skitzmix and maximum base compilations for a few weeks.

Run the risk of ending up with a single injector flowing 7% extra at low duty cycles. ID weed out this problem.

[Nee-san]

Totally understand their value in that regard however, $250.00 per injector !

[Ryan1200]

What price can you get the unmatched sets for?

[DCIEVE]

My shitty bosch indies all tested within 1% of one another... then again I also trim based on individual cylinder egt which is where I'd be spending the difference.

[Marko R1]

My tuner was vvery happy with my Indy blues as well which were the pick of the bunch a few yrs ago.

Technology improves though and ID's are the current flavour but u pay the price

[GTR_JOEY]

Just so we're all clear it's not all about flowing within a certain percentage of each other...

Spray pattern is another biggie... Probably why the ID2000s idle better then a much smaller injector such as the sard 800s

Spray pattern makes a big difference to atomization of the fuel ie better atomization = better combustion and more power

[Nee-san]

I totally understand the benefit, I'm basically just having a whinge about having to pay $250.00 a pop.