Stagea Awd Or 4wd

[Moff]

I would not endorse 'driving around' with the synchroniser on all the time (it probably would wear out the transfer case clutches at a faster rate). However the owners manual goes into a bit of detail regarding the function, & behaviour when it's used. One thing it clearly states is that when engaged, turning tightly at low speed will cause the wheels to hop - and that this is normal & not a problem with the system.

Bit lick a locked rear diff in a way that the drifters use...

These are interesting reads, outlines the differences about the Snow modes. Seems to be difference for newer and older models..

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Loving this thread

[Duncan]

I have had occasion to use the centre lock, it has been very handy. I use my stagea to tow, and when getting big loads moving on wet grass or over uneven ground (like gutters lol) it does an amazing job of keeping traction

[hrd-hr30]

you're right to say the term AWD was just invented to differentiate AWD vehicles when they started popping up from traditional part-time 4WDs.

BUT there are some actual technical differences!

You can't call a traditional part time 4WD an AWD because it only drives all the wheels when you decide you want/need to. Most of the time it isn't driving all the wheels, so it definitely isn't an AWD. An AWD car simply drives al the wheels all the time - you have no input into when all the wheels are driven.

there used to be a number of defining driveline differences for 4WDs:

-lockable/free wheeling front hubs (either manual or automatic)

-part time 4WD transfer case

-low range

and other non-driveline differences. in particular, a long travel suspension system. and a rugged ladder chassis construction.but even these have started to become blurred with some so-called 4WDs starting to try to rely more on electronic traction aids than keeping all the wheels on the ground, and some now using a unitary/moncoque construction. but I digress, so back to the driveline discussion...

4WDs started to blur that definition of 4WD by going to constant awd with a lockable centre diff. The same as some of the soft roader/crossover vehicles/whatever you want to call them... So the only real driveline difference left is the low range transfer case. If it has one of them its a 4WD. if it doesn't, its either an AWD car or a pretender. As I said before, the soft roaders i can think of that had a low range were some of the subas, but their low range wasn't much of a low range gearing reduction so even that was a bit soft. But anything with a low range transfer case is having a bit of a go at being a proper 4WD.

Edited January 15, 2009 by hrd-hr30

[xRHETTx]

The Stagea owners' manual says 4WD.

[hrd-hr30]

yes, the Japs certainly have a way with English don't they?

this is called 4WDing. its for 4WDs. wanna bring your 4WD Stageas out for a drive with us?

Edited January 15, 2009 by hrd-hr30

[Paramour]

yes, the Japs certainly have a way with English don't they?

this is called 4WDing. its for 4WDs. wanna bring your 4WD Stageas out for a drive with us?

I'll leave that to the Super Volvo's. . . . . .LOL

[Moff]

The Stagea owners' manual says 4WD.

Is there any way I could get a copy of the owners manual please ?

[KiwiRS4T]

Is there any way I could get a copy of the owners manual please ?

I have a copy of the 258 page translated owners handbook (full workshop manual not available in English). It just has the usual operating instructions and service schedule but not detailed specifications. You could have mine for NZ$40 including postage. PM me with your address if interested.

[Moff]

I have a copy of the 258 page translated owners handbook (full workshop manual not available in English). It just has the usual operating instructions and service schedule but not detailed specifications. You could have mine for NZ$40 including postage. PM me with your address if interested.

I'm sure I read somewhere it is available in English ?

[KiwiRS4T]

I'm sure I read somewhere it is available in English ?

Depends what you mean by "it"

I have the handbook in the English language but there is as yet no Stagea Workshop Manual in English.

[sleeper393]

FAT RATS ARSE , 4 WHEELS POWERED =4WD = AWD = 6 WHEEL DRIVE = 6WD= AWD

[hrd-hr30]

most 4WDs running around out on the roads only driving the rear axle - ie 2 wheels. how does that equal all wheel drive??? its a part time 4WD

you'll find anything with an AWD badge drives all its wheels all the time. they're constant AWDs

there is a significant differnce in the two types of driveline, and that's why a new term (AWD) was coined for them.

Edited January 23, 2009 by hrd-hr30

[MozzMann]

Some of the comments here are IMHO very misguided,

AWD IS NOT and NEVER Will be the same as 4WD !!!!



AWD = All Wheel Drive and usually constant BUT in the Stagea's case is controlled by a complex management clutches controlled by the ATTESA system.

4WD = Generally a higher clearance vehicle can like the Stagea lock the Differentials so that power is not diverted to a slipping wheel but distributed to all drive wheels REGARDLESS of the grip available

In the case of the Stagea Axis Autech it is AWD BUT with the capacity to LOCK the diffs when needed and in addition has a SNOW mode that retards the ignition and opens the internal waste gate in the Turbo to further reduce power in case of loss of traction on Ice.

[scotty nm35]

In the case of the Stagea Axis Autech it is AWD BUT with the capacity to LOCK the diffs when needed and in addition has a SNOW mode that retards the ignition and opens the internal waste gate in the Turbo to further reduce power in case of loss of traction on Ice.

No, no diff locking goes on with the Attessa, only a simple clutch pack with variable pressure to enable the front wheel drive. No centre diff either.

The wastegate isn't opened, the actuator is usually 7psi and bleeds off up to 14psi. Snow mode just leaves it at 7, same as in cold start. It also takes off in 2nd gear apparently, and limits the throttle in the case of the M35.

[PN-Mad]

Strong first post.

Drags up 6 year old topic about semantics.

[zoomzoom]

Some of the comments here are IMHO very misguided,

AWD IS NOT and NEVER Will be the same as 4WD !!!!

AWD = All Wheel Drive and usually constant BUT in the Stagea's case is controlled by a complex management clutches controlled by the ATTESA system.

4WD = Generally a higher clearance vehicle can like the Stagea lock the Differentials so that power is not diverted to a slipping wheel but distributed to all drive wheels REGARDLESS of the grip available

In the case of the Stagea Axis Autech it is AWD BUT with the capacity to LOCK the diffs when needed and in addition has a SNOW mode that retards the ignition and opens the internal waste gate in the Turbo to further reduce power in case of loss of traction on Ice.

Stageas don't have locking differentials. LSDs at most.

[Brick]

Some of the comments here are IMHO very misguided,

AWD IS NOT and NEVER Will be the same as 4WD !!!!

AWD = All Wheel Drive and usually constant BUT in the Stagea's case is controlled by a complex management clutches controlled by the ATTESA system.

4WD = Generally a higher clearance vehicle can like the Stagea lock the Differentials so that power is not diverted to a slipping wheel but distributed to all drive wheels REGARDLESS of the grip available

In the case of the Stagea Axis Autech it is AWD BUT with the capacity to LOCK the diffs when needed and in addition has a SNOW mode that retards the ignition and opens the internal waste gate in the Turbo to further reduce power in case of loss of traction on Ice.

Actually most real 4wds also do not have diff locks, it is an after market accessory in most cases(with a few exceptions)

[MozzMann]

Sorry if it sounded that way PN but in reality AWD is not 4WD .

Interesting scotty thanks for the info , some of what I was led to believe in but partially true then .

I was admittedly basing this on my findings over the last week while away when I was checking wheel spin etc on a gravel raod and getting my eldest boy to notice the difference in front and rear wheel rotation, I was aware there is no centre diff .

I use mine as a Private Hire Car in winter and the ATTESA system works IMHO Brilliantly I have been passed by people in Subies and other vehicles only to then pass them as they lost traction

My wife's car is Identical and purchased mainly as she is mobility impaired and cannot fit chains to a regular Vehicle should it be necessary so the Stagea was a logical choice as I have been driving mine for the last 3 seasons as I said a Hire Limo and was so impressed by it's reliability and sure footedness that I bought her one as our regular car a Chrysler Voyager has reached the end of it's serviceable life (15 years old and 494K @ 4 Kids it has served us well )