Power Enterprise (pwr) Injectors, Esp 700cc

[Phatboy]

Hey guys, I'm looking at upgrading my injectors and just wondering if PWR are a decent brand. To be honest, I haven't heard much of them, but apparently they use injectors made by Denso? Doesn't Denso supply a lot of OEM injectors? That should mean it's ok, yeah?

The reason I'm asking is that I have been waiting 2 months for my Nismo 600cc injectors to ship from Japan without success. The workshop has 700cc PWR injectors (I believe TL700) in the garage that are ready to go, and asked me do I want to go ahead with these (they are actually cheaper). I don't think they need to modify the fuel rails or anything - I believe it's a direct fit.

Thanks.

[Phatboy]

I believe they are single-hole low impedance ones.

Oh and sorry, didn't realise someone else had posted a similar question just then eg., if PWR uses denso

[The Dan]

Power Enterprise are very high quality. Equal to or possibly better than SARD, HKS etc but no evidence to prove that of course. I spoke with Power Enterprises a few days ago at AutoSalon and saw some of their other products including the injectors. They have the injectors made to their spec by Denso so manufacturing quality is second to none, as far as development goes, they have an extremely good name in injectors.

PWR ENT also do Kevlar Timing belts which are 700 times stringer than factory belts. Just in case you were wondering.

[nIsMo86]

How much are these PWR 700cc items worth out of curiousity?

I have also heard good things about PWR stuff. Good quality with reasonable pricing.

[The Dan]

How much are these PWR 700cc items worth out of curiousity?

I have also heard good things about PWR stuff. Good quality with reasonable pricing.

Ask R31Nismoid, he's a forum trader so he'll be able to get you a good price on them

[Phatboy]

Thanks elite 32. Great to hear that.

[heller44]

When I checked the denso part number on my 700cc sard's the same number corresponded to P.E. and a couple of others as well.. Looks like more putting a new box around the same product.

[Swiper the Fox]

Power Enterprise are very high quality. Equal to or possibly better than SARD, HKS etc but no evidence to prove that of course. I spoke with Power Enterprises a few days ago at AutoSalon and saw some of their other products including the injectors. They have the injectors made to their spec by Denso so manufacturing quality is second to none, as far as development goes, they have an extremely good name in injectors.

PWR ENT also do Kevlar Timing belts which are 700 times stringer than factory belts. Just in case you were wondering.

rubbish...they are all made by Denso...no brand is better than the other. P.E. were blowing smoke up your arse saying that they get them specially made to their spec.

Heller44 you are spot on my friend.

Edited January 14, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[The Dan]

When I checked the denso part number on my 700cc sard's the same number corresponded to P.E. and a couple of others as well.. Looks like more putting a new box around the same product.

This is old news. Denso have always made injectors for a large number of different companies but each company can specify design characteristics if they wish.

rubbish...they are all made by Denso...no brand is better than the other. P.E. were blowing smoke up your arse saying that they get them specially made to their spec.

Heller44 you are spot on my friend.

Which is what I said. They are made by Denso for P.E to P.E specs.

Pintle cut angle, travel distance and impedence are just a few things that can be changed when designing an injector. I never said P.E is better. I said possibly better. That all depends on the application it's used in and the characteristics put into each one. Not all injectors are just an 'off the shelf' denso item. While companies like HKS may be happy with the design Denso is using for their off the shelf item, they may not and want to make some changes based on their research.

I can email Denso to confirm this if you really want me to.

[N1GTR]

How much do they sell for?

Im about to sell a set of sard's (700's) and wouldnt mind knowing whats a fair price to put on them

[The Dan]

How much do they sell for?

Im about to sell a set of sard's (700's) and wouldnt mind knowing whats a fair price to put on them

If they are in good nick and not too old you should be able to get $500-$600 for them only because it will cost $1000 for new ones. When the dollar gets better you might only be looking at around $400

[Swiper the Fox]

I can email Denso to confirm this if you really want me to.

if you could do that that would be great.

[The Dan]

if you could do that that would be great.

Ok I called Power Enterprise in Japan first but no one spoke english there so I called them in the USA. Please go here http://www.powerenterpriseusa.net/products...ector/index.htm and read the top of the page. Co-produced with Denso EXCLUSIVELY FOR POWER ENTERPRISE

I am still waiting for a call back from Denso Australia on an english speaking contact from Denso Japan who I can email. Would you like more proof or are you happy to accept that I am correct?

[dano4127]

I would prefer you fly the Japanese dude over so I can have him tell me to my face that they are different before I believe any of this waffle.

Where do you get off taking you information from a company's corporate display at Tokyo Auto Salon?

Sheesh.

[Swiper the Fox]

Ok I called Power Enterprise in Japan first but no one spoke english there so I called them in the USA. Please go here http://www.powerenterpriseusa.net/products...ector/index.htm and read the top of the page. Co-produced with Denso EXCLUSIVELY FOR POWER ENTERPRISE

I am still waiting for a call back from Denso Australia on an english speaking contact from Denso Japan who I can email. Would you like more proof or are you happy to accept that I am correct?

you have come up with nothing...what have you proved?

it actually says co-produced with Denso (denso make the injectors PE the packaging and marketing)...exclusively offered by Power Enterprise. Its clever wording Daniel..all PE need to do is make the box they come in and they can say co-produced...easy way to make people think they are getting something better...when actually its the same thing everybody else is producing. I have friends in marketing who tell me this is an old trick they use all the time when competing against an identical product.

ill buy a few of each and test them to make my own opinion. I would never believe a sales/marketing jibe as gospel...and only a fool would. These clever marketing campaigns suck some people in as it improves the companies market share in these tough times.

I bet the 700cc units are identical in spray pattern and flow to the SARD 700cc units.

Edited January 14, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[The Dan]

you have come up with nothing...what have you proved?

it actually says co-produced with Denso (denso make the injectors PE the packaging and marketing)...exclusively offered by Power Enterprise. Its clever wording Daniel..all PE need to do is make the box they come in and they can say co-produced...easy way to make people think they are getting something better...when actually its the same thing everybody else is producing. I have friends in marketing who tell me this is an old trick they use all the time when competing against an identical product.

ill buy a few of each and test them to make my own opinion. I would never believe a sales/marketing jibe as gospel...and only a fool would. These clever marketing campaigns suck some people in as it improves the companies market share in these tough times.

I bet the 700cc units are identical in spray pattern and flow to the SARD 700cc units.

What's to say SARD don't use a similar or the same design for their injector?

I will get confirmation from Denso as it is clearly the only way to convince you. All I am saying is they are not just an off the shelf Denso Injector. They may be the same as a SARD or HKS in their design but you wouldn't know unless you pulled them both apart. Spray pattern will only tell you half the truth and only a fool would believe that a comparison of spray pattern was going to reveal anything conclusive

[The Dan]

How do RC Engineering make their injectors? They are the largest Injector manufacturer in the world and they do all of their work to customers' specifications just like in this case.

[Swiper the Fox]

Spray pattern will only tell you half the truth and only a fool would believe that a comparison of spray pattern was going to reveal anything conclusive

hahahahahaha you get funnier with each post Daniel.

give up pal.

[1400r]

make sure you get the plugs with them as they are not the same as sards

can make sard plugs work if you cut off some lugs

used 700 pe's on a customers r34 gtr with no probs get a replacement connector

however turned in to nightmare

Edited January 14, 2009 by 1400r

[N1GTR]

If they are in good nick and not too old you should be able to get $500-$600 for them only because it will cost $1000 for new ones. When the dollar gets better you might only be looking at around $400

Ok no probs, thanks