Bang for Buck Upgrades...

[fane]

Im looking at the next upgrade on the engine...

I have a stock gts25t with:

pod

10psi

racing clutch

3" cat back

im looking at the next upgrade...

things in my mind are:

turbo back exhaust

safc or new comp

fmic

My question to you guys are should I get a safc or a new comp?

i got quoted $1795 with $200 for tuning for a microtech, im still learning about my car so any advice would be welcome... thanks guys..

PS. im sure there was many posts like this but im new...

[hippy]

go a powerfc .. not microtech ... just my opinion

[zanda]

fane - suss the forced induction performance section in the general board. this has some really good info...

general suggestions are to set a power target - as this will dictate what mods you do. a full ECU upgrade is better in the long run if you want big upgrades and big power, but that's not for everyone.

Putting a WA spin on it - a lot of people in the forced induction section write off the WOLF as an ecu, because there seems to be a shortage of capable wolf tuners in some parts of east AUS. However, there are a number of guys in WA who have had really good results with WOLFs...probably largely due to the fact that there is a guy in WA who is experienced at tuning them..

That's not an endorsement persae, just information to enable you to make an informed decision. there's a bulkload of info on here about the benefits and disadvantages of each ECU, so go looking and ye shall find(e).

[fane]

cheers zanda much appreciated.

whats your thoughts on the dump/front pipe and aftermartket bov's and shit like that first?

or go straight for the big ecu...?

[FLIP]

Buy a power fc from japan so it's fairly cheap. Try nengun or greenline. The dump pipe is a good idea. Forget about the blow off cuz it does nothing for performance. If you have money left after the comp maybe have your turbo high flowed.

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Definately do the dump pipe first, will make a big difference and will increase boost. I'd go for a full-computer if your ever planning on changing the turbo etc.

I run a Wolf and it's very good, but PowerFC's are ok aswell.

[fane]

im liking the sound of wolf more and more as i hear more about them... what kinda price differences are there between wolf and powerfc's?

[GTS-t VSPEC]

I think you can purchase the Wolf for about $1395, and the PowerFC for about $1300 with HC.

The wolf has more features and is easier to tune though.

[NO_RSPECT]

and has built on boost control right?

and it is new as opposed to a secondhand power fc

you car also (I THINK) needs to be manual for a power fc

[N I B]

The Wolf can loose the AFM also and has full PC tuning and a life time Australian warranty plus many extra inputs and outputs and air temp comp noto mention if customs get you ( ask Micko)

and the ECU can be upgraded in a few days so it stays current.

SAU members get discounts also.

[chrisroi]

onya steve

[adam 32]

The wolf has more features and is easier to tune though

can you give any more information here paul? cos alot of people i know who arent on the forum are having to make the wolf vs power fc decision, and its nice to know the facts on both ECUs before makin a $2,000 decision!

cheers

[rob77]

the wolf also has boost control built into it elminating a spiking bleed valve or an expensive electronic boost controller I will be getting one in next week.

[Kiwimatt]

I know its already been said but deffinitely do the front dump pipe first as it will make all the difference, one more week till my wolf !

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Adam, Sure there are alot of differences between the two, many of which have already been outlined.

MAP senor inbuilt

laptop software

more map sites than the PowerFC

airtemp compensation

inbuilt boost controller

able to control large injectors, unlike PowerFC

rotational idle, anti-lag

programable output's

extra inputs

able to switch between maps on the fly

Hope that outlines some of the reasons it's better.

[ix9]

fane,

If you've got flat spots in your rev range go the AFC I personally would go for a Hybrid Front Mount before an AFC next time.

I've got a stock dump pipe, and a 2.5" (restrictive, but "jap spec") cat and ran a pretty good time without an AFC

ie. My next mod will be a Front Mount

[EVL R33]

Paul, I'm running 700cc injectors with a PFC and I've heard of cars that run 1000cc injectors with it. Not sure what you consider large injectors but they are plenty big enough for anybody out there

They both have their pros and cons. Tuning for the PFC is now a lot easier and better with the Datalogit as Steve has said, and stuff like antilag isn't for street use anyway. Air temp correction is available using this too I believe. From everyone I've spoken to for street cars AFM's are better for driveability, MAP's are better for racing..

How many map sites do the wolf use?? PFC uses 20 x 20 AFAIK..

As others have said it's all about personal preference and depending on what your tuner likes may sway your decision...

You can get brand new PFC's for around the $1,400 mark now..

my 2c.

Brett

[GTS-t VSPEC]

Brett, Ask N4SPD about running large injectors with the PowerFC:uh-huh:

Although the Datalogit does increase the functionality of the hand-controller it is still a more tedious process.

Wolf can run virtually any AFM aswell.

PowerFC's are good for GTR's but other than that there loosing the battle unless they decide to update there ECU.

[EVL R33]

I think if you polled the number of PFC users compared to Wolf users the stats would tell you otherwise..

For mild to mid modded cars either one is more than capable, but once you start getting serious most people don't use either of these.

How good is the standard maps in the wolf? Is it as plug and play as the PFC???

Brett

[hks-s14]

And datalogit is only available for some PFC's. And not every tuner has access to datalogit, Wolf software is downloadable off the net.

Don't get me wrong, I think PFC's are great. But when you consider local warranty, price etc etc etc, Wolf comes out very very far in front.