Which Intercooler Is Better? Arc Vs Hks For R34 Gtr

[rev210]

ARE will custom build an intercooler around your requirements.

They constantly flow test thier designs and they incorporate baffled end tank designs to maximise airflow. No off the shelfers are as good.

ARC are the best 'off the shelf' intercoolers but, the bee's knees are custom ARE.

[R31Nismoid]

The xr6 things i mentioned earlier are coming out of China

If they flow/cool good enough for 400rwkw and the likes of Nizpro are happy... proves not all stuff outta china is bad neccesarily considering the jap branded stuff is probably made there anyway!

[okokok]

The xr6 things i mentioned earlier are coming out of China

If they flow/cool good enough for 400rwkw and the likes of Nizpro are happy... proves not all stuff outta china is bad neccesarily considering the jap branded stuff is probably made there anyway!

agree

[okokok]

I have an ARC M073 twin inlet. Used it with 2560R-5's. Upgraded from trust and the differance was staggering.

Have tested ARC/HKS/Trust/Apexi. (flow,cooling and pressure drop)

-ARC were the best hands down in every possible way, even give more flow to the radiator.

-Trust were good in the 150mm wide version (no pressue drop, reasonable cooling)

-Apexi Cool well due to having a longer 710mm core, but had some pressure drop(3psi)

-and HKS recorded pressure drop and suffered from heat soak after a few runs.

Still all better than chinese bar and plate.

For the power you are after I would use the ARC. Which supports up to 400rwkw and will give more throttle response/midrange improvement over the trust.

For over 400rwkw....up to 500rwkw the ARC M105+M109

Over 500rwkw

Trust 150mm single or twin inlet

The bell mouthed inlet on the ARC cores make prettty much all other coolers redundant

ARC technology explained

Goto products, Commentary ◎ cooler interface | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. and flick through the 7 pages

Very useful information! thanks mate

What piping kit are you using?

[rev210]

The xr6 things i mentioned earlier are coming out of China

If they flow/cool good enough for 400rwkw and the likes of Nizpro are happy... proves not all stuff outta china is bad neccesarily considering the jap branded stuff is probably made there anyway!

Sure 400rwkw is alot of power. But, put a good intercooler on and you make 430rwkw with better response.

It's like comparing ebay turbos to garrett's. They make peak power but, do it the hard way.

I've seen a reputable 'china core' swapped for a slightly smaller custom ARE with no other changes and from memory it made 60rwhp more on a race car. No other changes.

China intercoolers are poo and only look good next to something really crap or undersized like a stock core thats run out of legs for the job.

[R31Nismoid]

^^ they have been flow tested, pressure drop tested, temp an so on, not just purchased and used.

There were a number of trials with various core designs and so on. Some were bad as you say, no qualms there, a couple were very very good.

Believe what you want on that one but Simon wouldnt use something that robs a car of 30rwkw when they are @ the top end of development and one of the workshops that actually DOES testing of all this kinda thing

[Bakes]

China parts belong on Fords

[R31Nismoid]

Dont look under your bonnet then

You'll find probably a fair bit comes from there

[rev210]

^^ they have been flow tested, pressure drop tested, temp an so on, not just purchased and used.

There were a number of trials with various core designs and so on. Some were bad as you say, no qualms there, a couple were very very good.

Believe what you want on that one but Simon wouldnt use something that robs a car of 30rwkw when they are @ the top end of development and one of the workshops that actually DOES testing of all this kinda thing

They don't seem to claim anything like what you just implied? The basic technology mentioned on the intercooler design is just that, basic. Better than stock , better suited to more power, bolt on and most importantly 'cheap'. Two total choices in size only. The testing carried out was aimed at compromise solutions at a price.

Based on the criteria they went for it is a compromise of factors so they don't pretend to offer the absolute best solution for every application just two. Mainly aimed at thier bolt on kits. Nothing wrong with that.

Flow tested is one thing.

Designed to flow well for a particular application completely another.

'Testing' a bunch or cores is one thing.

Designing cores based on testing for an application , another.

If you go to ARE they will 'design' an intercooler based on your application. Flow bench testing of end tanks designs and intercooler.

They make intercoolers and radiators etc. so it's not a problem to hold a bucketload of stock of the bits for custom work. On the other hand Nizpro offers limited choices that at the same time represent value but, also mean they don't have to keep a load of dead stock that may not be used.

Nizpro would be the first to offer the suggestion of a custom intercooler outperforming their off the shelf unit. I would say the 30rwkw improvement is doable with a custom ARE at a power level of 400rwkw if the intercooler used is just a bigger version of the china core on thier website.

Thats no disrespect to Nizpro, just reality of offering a broad appeal product. Custom = win.

I am sure Nizpro would agree about being able to design and custom build around an application resulting in gains. It justs cost some money which doesn't make it 'bad value' but, rather 'hard to market' where the in the market the word intercooler = $200 in most peoples minds.

Edited January 27, 2009 by rev210

[R31Nismoid]

Its all good to be a ARE fanboy and thats fine, but to say something cannot be as good as it... thats a bit much.

From the first line of that reply you totally missed what i was saying in the very post you quoted.

[9krpm]

I thought I had a HKS 600x300x103 until I pulled it out for a clean. It turns out to be an intercooler similar to the hks without the badge; ????? could be a chinese origin. The cooler had been able to support a range of power from 400-500rwkw and up to 2 bars of boost. I agree with R31Nismoid, not everything from China are bad until proven.

Anyway, the intercooler has a few dings and I am looking for a replacement (when there's extra cash flow in the current economic health). Does ARE offer a refund if there isn't any power gain with their intercooler?

Edited January 28, 2009 by 9krpm

[okokok]

in fact， HKS intercooler is made in china, They just pack them up in Japan and sell from japan

[rev210]

I thought I had a HKS 600x300x103 until I pulled it out for a clean. It turns out to be an intercooler similar to the hks without the badge; ????? could be a chinese origin. The cooler had been able to support a range of power from 400-500rwkw and up to 2 bars of boost. I agree with R31Nismoid, not everything from China are bad until proven.

Anyway, the intercooler has a few dings and I am looking for a replacement (when there's extra cash flow in the current economic health). Does ARE offer a refund if there isn't any power gain with their intercooler?

Ask them yourself they are quite helpful guys to chat to.

[Kaido_RR]

in fact， HKS intercooler is made in china, They just pack them up in Japan and sell from japan

and your proof is where?

[okokok]

and your proof is where?

just go ask any HKS seller

Also the trust/Greddy Radiator made in china

[rev210]

just go ask any HKS seller

Also the trust/Greddy Radiator made in china

If they are made in china it's marked as such. Someone who owns one can check for you.

[Kaido_RR]

just go ask any HKS seller

Also the trust/Greddy Radiator made in china

lol

my trust/greddy radiator is not made in china. no where does it say made in china in fact it says made in japan. i have compare it to many china radiator and not one has the same welds or design.

Again i like to see facts?

no where on my trust v-spl core does it say made in china?

[okokok]

Ok。。I dont want to argue on this topic

The fact is HKS works great and much cheaper than ARC（in same size）

[Bakes]

HKS is not made in China............yet

[Iron Mike]

I have an ARC M073 twin inlet. Used it with 2560R-5's. Upgraded from trust and the differance was staggering.

Have tested ARC/HKS/Trust/Apexi. (flow,cooling and pressure drop)

-ARC were the best hands down in every possible way, even give more flow to the radiator.

-Trust were good in the 150mm wide version (no pressue drop, reasonable cooling)

-Apexi Cool well due to having a longer 710mm core, but had some pressure drop(3psi)

-and HKS recorded pressure drop and suffered from heat soak after a few runs.

Still all better than chinese bar and plate.

For the power you are after I would use the ARC. Which supports up to 400rwkw and will give more throttle response/midrange improvement over the trust.

For over 400rwkw....up to 500rwkw the ARC M105+M109

Over 500rwkw

Trust 150mm single or twin inlet

The bell mouthed inlet on the ARC cores make prettty much all other coolers redundant

ARC technology explained

Goto products, Commentary ◎ cooler interface | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. and flick through the 7 pages

Sorry to bring up such an old thread, but i noticed that BoostdR hasn't used the forums in 8 months so I thought I'd ask everyone else. He mentioned that HKS Type R coolers were the worst performing out of the lot he tested but he was comparing it to smaller coolers (at least this is the case with the M079 ARC intercooler). Could this be the main reason they performed worse comparitively? I'm hoping so becuase I was looking at buying one of the HKS Type R coolers, though if they're really that bad then i'll just save the cash.....Does anyone have experience with this intercooler who can vouch for better/worse response, power gains, pressure drop, heat soak etc.....