The Tuners Group Now Able To Supply Porsche Motorsport Department Brake Components

[TheTunersGroup]

Hi All,

A bit of an announcement of something we have been working on for a few months now ...

We have had a bunch of enquiries from customers looking for truly hardcore brake components to use to fit monster brakes to all kinds of cars, particularly Japanese and European track cars and time attack cars.

To come up with a solution, we went deep into the world of professional racing, and found a solution from two of the most hardcore companies in motorsport - Brembo & Porsche (specifically Porsche's Factory Motorsport Department in Weissach, Germany).

Here's a photo of Porsche's Factory Motorsport Department - awesome ...

The Porsche Motorsport Department is where they developed and build cars like the GT3 RSR ...

Anyway, to cut a long story short, we are now are able to get access to Porsche Motorsport Department parts and supply them to our customers

These parts are truly mindblowing and incredibly well priced. As an example ...

6 Piston Porsche Motorsport Department Calipers for just AU$1070 including GST per caliper

For front calipers, we found a 6 piston radial mount caliper made by Brembo for the Porsche Motorsport Department, shown in the photo above.

These calipers are of course a special Porsche Motorsport Department caliper, which is not in the Porsche road car catalog. Many Porsche dealers do not even know it exists, because the part number is not in the Porsche road car catalog system.

They feature radial mounting which simplifies installation for custom applications, and provides two planes of adjustment for accurate alignment over the disc. So a radial mount caliper is far superior to an axial mount caliper with "ears" on the body of the caliper.

These calipers feature special ceramic inserts which help keep heat out of the brake fluid at races like the 24 Hours of Daytona and the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

To give you an idea of the size of these calipers, take a look at the photo above. That is a 600ml sprite bottle for scale, not a 300ml bottle.

Best of all is the price of these calipers ... Because professional racing teams demand low pricing on spare parts for their racecars, we can supply these calipers at just AU$1070 including GST per caliper.

They are designed to run on a 350 mm diameter brake disc which we can also supply of course.

There is also another 6 piston Porsche Motorsport Department caliper which we can supply which is designed to be used with a 380 mm disc.

Because they are a radial mount caliper, they can be fitted to virtually any car by using a custom machined caliper adapter and custom hat for the brake disk.

We have also found a 4 piston caliper that can be used as either a front caliper or a rear caliper.

And for the insanely hard core cars out there, we can also supply ...

Porsche Carbon Ceramic Brakes (PCCB)

European Car Magazine installed a set of these brakes on one of their project cars.

They concluded ...

"A PCCB brake disc weighs 50% less than its cast-iron counterpart despite considerably larger dimensions. Like a competition-bred conventional system, the ceramic outer disc is mated to a steel inner "hat." PCCB brakes use specially developed six-piston calipers on the front and four-piston calipers on the rear.

The PCCB pads offer a high coefficient of friction for moderate pedal efforts and unusual consistency of friction characteristics across a wider range of operating temperatures than is available with Porsche's conventional brakes. Several different pad compounds are available for street and various levels of track use."

The engineering of the PCCB system is mindblowing.

Here's a diagram of how they are made ...

They are not cheap of course ...

As you can imagine, the price of these brakes reflects the quality and innovation of the materials and manufacturing. As a ball-park figure, the cost of a set of the latest model of PCCB brakes (for all 4 corners of a car) is more than $30,000.

But again, they can be fitted to virtually anything by using custom hats and caliper adapters.

More info

More info and a link to a photo gallery of the various brake options from Porsche Motorsport which we are now able to supply can be found on our website at ...

http://www.tunersgroup.com/porsche_brakes.html

- Adam

[rtune]

great! typical!

just as I shelled out for a name brand big brake kit!!

nevertheless it isn't clear to me..

Are you saying you already have mounting solutions for the caliper on R34s (R33, R32 also)?

and if so, what would be an example price for a front solution for an R34 using your example 1050 AUD caliper?

and then rear .. mounting solutions for matched rear? handbrake and all? and price for that?

If they are half the price of an AP racing kit, aren't you gonna undercut your own sales?

[TheTunersGroup]

great! typical!

just as I shelled out for a name brand big brake kit!!

It's a pity you didn't talk to us first

nevertheless it isn't clear to me..

Are you saying you already have mounting solutions for the caliper on R34s (R33, R32 also)?

and if so, what would be an example price for a front solution for an R34 using your example 1050 AUD caliper?

and then rear .. mounting solutions for matched rear? handbrake and all? and price for that?

At the moment we're simply supplying the Porsche components, but we have a number of engineering and machining contacts who can machine and engineer hats and caliper adapters to fit these brakes to virtually anything.

Hand brake can be accommodated of course - here is a couple of photos of a CNC machined custom hat for the Porsche brakes ...

Note the rear view showing machined inner surface for handbrake in the photo above.

Here is a photo of the Porsche calipers on a car ...

Our target market for them is custom setups.

Bear in mind that the cost of designing, engineering and machining the caliper adapters and hats must also be taken into account. So for customers who want an off the shelf bolt on kit, we have the AP Racing Formula Big Brake Kits, and for customers who want a custom Porsche-based setup, we have the Porsche Motorsport Department option.

There is also an excellent range of track pad compounds for these calipers as they are a true racing caliper.

At the end of the day, Porsche's have an amazing reputation for incredible brake perfomance, and we are very pleased to be able to offer these Porsche Motorsport Department parts to our customers at such a competitive price.

[Nosure]

I'm worry about the ceramic inserts. they are not very strong. and there are some BMW 135i got problem with the ceramic inserts(but they all have aftermarket pads)

so with these ceramic inserts, can I use aftermarket pads????

do you have some brake kit for R34GTR???

[TheTunersGroup]

I'm worry about the ceramic inserts. they are not very strong. and there are some BMW 135i got problem with the ceramic inserts(but they all have aftermarket pads)

With the greatest respect, are you seriously suggesting that the official Motorsport division of Porsche would use any material in brake calipers that is "not very strong" ?

The ceramic inserts in the Porsche Motorsport Department calipers are made from a special material called Zirkonoxide.

Zirkonoxide is a special ceramic oxide of Zirconium.

According to http://www.accuratus.com/zirc.html , Zirconium Oxide (Y2O3 stabilized TZP) has a flexural strength of 120,400 lb (54,612 kg) per square inch !

You can find an explanation of what flexural strength is here ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexural_strength

See the post two posts below this one for an update on the BMW 135i situation.

I have never heard of any issue whatsoever with the ceramic inserts in Porsche Motorsport calipers.

Strength data on Zirconium Oxide can be found at http://www.accuratus.com/zirc.html

That page reads ...

Engineering Properties of Toughened Zirconia

Zirconium Oxide, Y2O3 stabilized TZP

Flexural Strength MPa (lb/in squared x 10 to power of 3): 900 (120.4)

Elastic ModulusGPa (lb/in squared x10 to power of 6): 200 (45)

In terms of Zirconium Oxide generally, http://www.accuratus.com/zirc.html reads ...

Zirconium Oxide, ZrO2

Zirconia is an extremely refractory material. It offers chemical and corrosion inertness to temperatures well above the melting point of alumina. The material has low thermal conductivity. It is electrically conductive above 600°C and is used in oxygen sensor cells and as the susceptor (heater) in high temperature induction furnaces. With the attachment of platinum leads, nernst glowers used in spectrometers can be made as a light emitting filament which operates in air.

Key Properties of Zirconium Oxide:

Use temperatures up to 2400°C

High density

Low thermal conductivity (20% that of alumina)

Chemical inertness

Resistance to molten metals

Ionic electrical conduction

Wear resistance

High fracture toughness

High hardness

.

Typical Uses of ZrO2

Precision ball valve balls and seats

High density ball and pebble mill grinding media

Rollers and guides for metal tube forming

Thread and wire guides

Hot metal extrusion dies

Deep well down-hole valves and seats

Powder compacting dies

Marine pump seals and shaft guides

Oxygen sensors

High temperature induction furnace susceptors

Fuel cell membranes

Electric furnace heaters over 2000°C in oxidizing atmospheres

We will refer your question about if aftermarket pads are recommended to be used in these calipers to the Porsche Motorsport Department and let you know what they say about this.

[R31Nismoid]

So just how much different are they to the over-the-counter monoblock 6-piston calipers you can get for $700?

Just an insert? or is there more too it?

[TheTunersGroup]

and there are some BMW 135i got problem with the ceramic inserts(but they all have aftermarket pads)

Regarding the BMW 135i situation you mentioned (which of course has nothing whatsoever to do with Porsche Motorsport Department Calipers),

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222949

reads ...

We had a chance to speak with Brembo in Nov and we both agree that it is NOT the calipers or ceramic cups at fault here. It is the donor pads which are causing the ceramic cups to crack.

As you can see there are the gas reliefs built into the backing plate of the pad. The pistons are supposed to line up correctly with these pads. You can see where the piston is half over the backing plate and half over the relief cutout.

The solution would be to either get a set of custom backing plates cut, or wait for the manufacturer of these pads to get an actual 135i backing pad made. The pads that we have (and I'm sure the same pads that Ralph's car has) are originally from a Porsche, and are then cut down to fit our 135i calipers.

You can view photos of the BMW 135i situation here ...

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222949

Quite clearly any situation with "cut down" pads in a BMW 135i caliper has no connection whatsoever with Porsche Motorsport Department calipers developed by the official racing division of Porsche

[TheTunersGroup]

So just how much different are they to the over-the-counter monoblock 6-piston calipers ... ?

Just an insert? or is there more too it?

Hi R31Nismoid,

It's all about engineering.

When it comes to brakes, Porsche is an absolute world leader, and we can supply exactly the same Porsche Motorsport Department brake components as used on Porsches at races like the 24 Hours of Le Mans and 24 Hours of Daytona.

In the case of Porsche Motorsport Department components, you get the immense engineering knowledge, innovation and experience of both Brembo and the incredible engineers at the Porsche Motorsport Department.

In a true racing caliper like these Porsche Motorsport Department calipers, you get optimisation on everything - caliper weight, materials, stiffness, heat handling capacity, resistance to fluid fade etc.

Just like tyres, and virtually every component on a car, you get what you pay for.

Porsche Motorsport Department calipers have proven themselves time after time all over the world, including at the 24 Hours of Daytona and 24 hours of Le Mans.

As it says on our website at http://www.tunersgroup.com/porsche_brakes.html ...

Operating alongside Porsche's road car operations is the Porsche Motorsport department, which specialises in supplying both race cars and parts for racers competing in series like the Carrera Cup, 24 hours of Daytona, 24 hours of Le Mans etc and building factory racecars.

The Porsche Motorsport Department were responsible for the development of cars like the GT3 RSR shown above.

A huge part of the reason for the GT3 RSR's success has been the Porsche Motorsport Department brakes it runs.

Porsches came 1st, 2nd and 3rd and totally dominated the GT class at the recent 24 hours of Daytona. Article here ...

http://www.automobilesreview.com/auto-news...n-daytona/9046/

Pricewise, these calipers are also very good value for money. As it says on our website at http://www.tunersgroup.com/porsche_brakes.html ...

Best of all is the price of these calipers ... Because professional racing teams demand low pricing on spare parts for their racecars, we can supply these calipers at exceptionally good prices

At the end of the day, these calipers are aimed at people who want to cut their lap times and improve the heat handling capacity of their brake systems by using a true motorsport quality caliper designed specifically for motorsport use.

And there are quite a few people who would agree that the Porsche Motorsport Calipers definitely do the job time after time after time, very very well indeed ...

[R31Nismoid]

Although you didnt actually answer my question's with any evidence, comparison, spec difference's and so on.

All you did was give me a marketing speil that tells me they are great, and added some pictures.

To give you an idea of pricing, these calipers are roughly half the price of some Porsche road car calipers

No they aren't. You can buy Carrera Cup Car calipers for $1100ea. And thats retail pricing

I went into Porsche and asked myself this morning just to be 100% sure.

Thanks anyway.

[TheTunersGroup]

You can buy Carrera Cup Car calipers for $1100ea.

Hi R1Nismoid,

As we wrote in post 1 at the start of this thread back in January ...

These parts are truly mindblowing and incredibly well priced. As an example ...

6 Piston Porsche Motorsport Department Calipers for just AU$1070 including GST per caliper

In terms of some examples of pricing on other Porsche calipers, we got a quote earlier this week from an official Porsche dealer for a 996 GT3 caliper with a retail price of AU$2,277. As another example, I just spoke to an official Porsche dealer who advised that the Australian RRP on the 997 Cup Car caliper (part number 997 351 431 90) is AU$3,486.

There was a Porsche caliper that retailed for around $1,100 a while ago, but we were told by an official Porsche dealer that Porsche's retail prices rose on that caliper recently.

So if someone has quoted you $1,100 for a Carrera Cup Car caliper, that's a bargain !

Although you didnt actually answer my question's with any evidence, comparison, spec difference's and so on.

With the greatest respect, you asked about comparisons to "over-the-counter monoblock 6-piston calipers you can get for $700".

If you'd like to post some weight, materials and stiffness specs for a particular over-the-counter monoblock 6-piston caliper, I'd be more than happy to compare specs on them for you.

Also as I wrote above ...

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"In the case of Porsche Motorsport Department components, you get the immense engineering knowledge, innovation and experience of both Brembo and the incredible engineers at the Porsche Motorsport Department.

In a true racing caliper like these Porsche Motorsport Department calipers, you get optimisation on everything - caliper weight, materials, stiffness, heat handling capacity, resistance to fluid fade etc."

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Also see post 5 which has a lot of technical info about the ceramic inserts.

[Nosure]

what about this caliper compare to porsche cayenne turbo 6 piston caliper???