R32 Gtr Suspension

[LotusGTR]

Um, I'm essentially looking for some coilovers and for them to be installed and set up correctly. Unusually, I've hit a brick wall with my preferred GTR fettler.........They reckon the stuff I need is 'very hard to get hold of' and it might just be a little too hard......Frustrating.

So, I'm asking for a recommendation of a suspension specialist or GTR workshop that will do this for me. Also, anyone who knows their shit about how to set up an R32 GTR, any advice or help you can offer would be gratefully received.

I've got the following already

Adjustable swaybars

Adj castor and front camber

Most bushes replaced

Cheers.

[BBGTR]

Step 1: Go to importmonster.com.au

Step 2: Sign up for an account

Step 3: Buy these...

http://www.importmonster.com.au/view?url=h...&title=TEIN RS BNR32 RB26DETT TEIN CIRCUIT MAST

Step 4: Take to racepace and get them revalved and some new springs.

Job Done.

[LotusGTR]

Thanks Andrew. Somehow I knew I'd end up with Racepace.......

My car will be driven on the road, so I can't have a full on track set up. I need some compliance too. Does the set up you've described suit that?

http://www.tein.co.jp/e/products/super_racing.html

This them?

Thanks for your input.

[blind_elk]

You could also talk to Quadrant Suspension in Berwick. I believe they set up the Bilsteins that the Nissan Race team used. (I'm running them in my 32 GTS4, and they are quite good - firm but not kidney-rattlers).

Or even Toperformance in Vermont South - for Konis.

[Roy]

Nick, if you decide to go the Teins RE/RA/RS and Racepace route then give me a call

Jack and Snowmans cars run this setup and are very compliant on the street. I run the RA and they are a bit firmer in my GTSt but i think the ride is still very good.

[LotusGTR]

Nick, if you decide to go the Teins RE/RA/RS and Racepace route then give me a call

Jack and Snowmans cars run this setup and are very compliant on the street. I run the RA and they are a bit firmer in my GTSt but i think the ride is still very good.

Give us your number then!! Kinda lost it. Cheers.

[archie01]

Hey Nick

What Andrew said for sure.

Anything other than that then go to Centreline and speak to Chris.

Has done numerous suspension improvements to my car from day one.

And you can ask Jack (who has the benno suspension in his car) how my car handles.

[LotusGTR]

Thanks Arch. Chris at Centreline really helpful. So was everyone else mind you.

Anyone got a view on how appropriate these are over the Circuit Master RS as recommended by BBGTR? They will be re-sprung and possible re-valved in any case.

[Roy]

What do Tein Super Streets sell for these days? The slightly softer Aus spec and the Jap Spec?

They worked well enough that Mark and Russ won Dutton Rallys with them and other similar events and were quick enough to be one of the quickest Skylines around Wakefield

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=dHm-uvIt8wg&...re=channel_page

[bnr#@]

Thanks Arch. Chris at Centreline really helpful. So was everyone else mind you.

Anyone got a view on how appropriate these are over the Circuit Master RS as recommended by BBGTR? They will be re-sprung and possible re-valved in any case.

What are those? look very similar to the RS's...

[Roy]

The RS shocks have the reservoirs mounted to the shock body with a cast alloy carrier where as the Super Racing are on braided line that allow you to mount them remotely like in the engine bay on the strut braces or in the boot etc. Makes adjustments on the fly a little easier

[Rowdyr32]

No need to go over the top for a mainly street car and waste massive amounts of money on something you will never use to its full potential and you need somebody else to set it up for you because there a thousands of combinations you can use. Some V8 drivers use shocks like Benno at racepace to fine tune their cars whereas other V8 drivers setup their cars using swaybars. Its personally choice. Setting up off swaybars and ride height is a hell of a lot cheaper.

A set of correctly valved bilstiens are cheap and should do the job. Its all I have in my car with 7kg/mm in the front and 5kg/mm in the rear. Don't need to be a scientist to work out those rates as everybody pretty much runs around that rate. I don't have super power and am hoping to run so good times for 280utag or whatever it is grip rated tyres. I'm finance limited to the amount of track time I can get. I also have my front toe and rear camber set by myself with no measuring equiptment as the tyre place didn't get it quite correct so I guessed it. At DECA I can sometimes beat and most of the time go within 1 second of Snowman and Scotsman on Motocarna type events if I don't make mistakes but they kick my ass on the circuit due to there power/tyres and brakes. Just goes to show big $ susp isn't the main thing. Experience and feel for your car are the best things to make yourself go faster so the $2000 or more you save on lower spec susp you can spend on 5 more track days that will make you a better driver and know how to control a car. Just my 2 cents. Big $ bling bits are cool but I bet 95% of the people who have it don't know how to set it up themslves which is what I believe is part of motorsport. Knowing how to make a car go faster yourself and understand why, not just cheque book racing and taking your car to a workshop every time something doesn't feel right or you don't get the time you want. Once your car is setup and you learn to drive around it the way it is you will rarely ever need to touch the susp for different tracks. Call me and I can give you a few pointers. I am by no means a super driver but have set my car up on a budget and belive it is pretty good for the $ spent and never been to a workshop apart from the first wheel alignment which was just a local tyre dealer set to my specs.

[Roy]

So take hime for a ride Riverdance or sell him your Bilsteins

[Rowdyr32]

Haven't had the car on the road for a year now as I have been over it a little and there is more fun to be had for less $ like bikes and boats. Just need to put it back together now as I stole some bits for my other gtr. I can take him for a ride but there is no where near my house to give it a bit or any good corners to throw it around. The track or DECA is the best place to show how it goes.

[TheTunersGroup]

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[LotusGTR]

You could also talk to Quadrant Suspension in Berwick. I believe they set up the Bilsteins that the Nissan Race team used. (I'm running them in my 32 GTS4, and they are quite good - firm but not kidney-rattlers).

Or even Toperformance in Vermont South - for Konis.

Well I went down and had a long chat with Jim at Quadrant today. Seemed like a good guy. Essentially they are offering a drop off and pick up service with Bilstein Monotube B6/8. They are a gas/oil unit and come with H&R springs, fully height adjustable. Small and large springs per corner, custom valving and they thrown in 2-3 re-visits if things aren't up to your expectations and they need adjusting. They align everything once done and set the car up (adjust swaybars etc). Seemed a pretty convincing offering.

I know this flies in the face of the Tein advice on this thread, but surely there are other credible options other than Tein? The Tein route means hanging out on Yahoo Japan looking for some second hand units which seem hard to come by (I've been slow off the mark on a couple of occasions due to being crap) . You're then got to get them here (waiting waiting), re-spring & valve them, take the risk on their condition, get them fitted by someone who made no money on the parts (i.e. extra labour charges). Then you have to set the car up. Not to mention if something goes wrong you have little if any comeback. Lot of frigging around too.....

I know I'm making a case to go this way (for once I will not be taking my car to the other end of Melbourne), but I was impressed with what was on offer in terms of the quality of advice, the product and the service. I'm not going to mention price for modesty's sake, but from my limited experience it seems in spec with what you get for what $$.

Any final thoughts before I put this to bed and hand over my hard earned for the non-recommended Bilsteins.....?

Cheers.

[djr81]

For my 10 cents worth - I have Bilsteins & Eibach springs on an R32 GT-R. The car handles fine & is quick for what it is. If I get sick of the spring rates I can easilly replace them & as you say get the Bilsteins revalved. I have never felt the need to adjust the damper rates or change the ride height for the road. Essentially what most people do is set it up for the circuit & live with it on the road. Reason being to do it properly you need to do a wheel alignment every time you change the ride height/camber or indeed just about anything other than the damper setting.

There are, however, a number of other items that are just as influential to the cars handling - namely upper front link (for camber & to remove binding if you decide to run castor rods with rose joints), LCA's, sway bars, neg camber on the front end, attessa system, HICAS etc etc. These are, as I said, just as important & it would be well worth your while to include them in your consideration.

Bottom line: Bilsteins are good. If the price is good & service is good then you can feel comfortable buying them.

Oh and don't get talked into running stupid (high) spring rates.

[Ronin 09]

the bilstien mono B6/8 is a good unit, from what i've read.

[Roy]

Depemds on what Quadrant wanted for the Bilsteins. If it works out significantly more then the Tein Super Streets then i suggest you just grab the Teins. I have turnbed into a bit of a fanboy for the SS now that i have driven a few cars with them. They qre very nice and i strongly recommend you drive a car with them first. Wouldnt hurt to ask Quadrant to give you the number of a customer to see if you can sample the finished product

[djr81]

So if I am reading the literature correctly ( ?) the Tein range works out something like:

Super street Front 5kg/mm, rear 4kg/mm

Mono Flex 7/7

Type flex 8/6 - (Type HT?)

Ultimate Spec Circuit Master Super Racing 12/12

Ofcourse I could be hopelessly wrong as these blokes appear to have more product designations than I have had hot dinners....

http://www.tein.co.jp/e/products/index.html

http://www.greenline.jp/catalogue/bccatpar...gory=suspension