March Motor "gtr Returns"

[N1GTR]

Yeah i think all GTR's need 6/4 monobloc setups with 380mm rotors

[sh@un]

which will be even more impressive when the GT-R in question is ~250kg lighter...

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

But they are race spec brakes- 380mm two-piece rotors front and rear with 6 piston front and 4 piston rear monobloc calipers. The same sort of thing they have on V8 Taxicars. It's just the pad composition and extra 400kgs that make life hard for the GT-R at a track like Bathurst. I think a pad with a much less street friendly heat range (say 300-1000 degrees) would help things a lot (and more extreme cooling ducting for the centre of the discs).

http://domstat.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/th...tr-brakes-post/

Have a squiz (posted up prev page by scathing), its a good read.

[kralster]

Yeah but unlike the GTR, the HSV427's performance and build quality does not justify its price.

sit in a base porsche 911 and a base GTR and tell me which has a better quality interior.

[skyline_man]

sit in a base porsche 911 and a base GTR and tell me which has a better quality interior.

And out of the base 911 and the GTR, which has the better engine, better transmission, better usage of power, better dynamics and faster in a straight line and on the track? Which one costs less? Does a few extra pieces of cow hide in the Porsche justify its price against the GTR?

[Martin Donnon]

sit in a base porsche 911 and a base GTR and tell me which has a better quality interior.

You should actually try that, I know I have, and the answer isnt clear cut at all....but this is the internet.

Even better is the Hyundai Excel early model style notchy vague cable gearshift in the 911. A work of art indeed

[Max_ST-R]

The guy who wrote the article reckons that at around AU$148K, it's a bit too expensive - cos it's a Nissan. Talk about brand snobbery. Where else can you find a car in Australia with that kind of performance for that kind of price? The author is a retard.

...the irony is they go weak at the knees over cheap and nasty tupperware Commodores & Falcodores!.........

........and what's more the GT-R is actually built and engineered to near as to makes no difference Porsche levels. Don't get me wrong, a Boxster S with a couple of options is a lovely car, but doesn't stand out as a superior car to a similarly priced GT-R, the fact that they don't recognize this, show us what red necks they are.

.......As for the badge, it's the GT-R badge holds iconic status. another example is Chevrolet Corvette...the Corvette badge overshadows the fact that it's Chev, although the one difference is at least the GT-R has a ripper of an interior made of quality materials unlike the vette which has a daewoo Epica style/quality dash!

[donutdavid]

...the irony is they go weak at the knees over cheap and nasty tupperware Commodores & Falcodores!.........

........and what's more the GT-R is actually built and engineered to near as to makes no difference Porsche levels. Don't get me wrong, a Boxster S with a couple of options is a lovely car, but doesn't stand out as a superior car to a similarly priced GT-R, the fact that they don't recognize this, show us what red necks they are.

.......As for the badge, it's the GT-R badge holds iconic status. another example is Chevrolet Corvette...the Corvette badge overshadows the fact that it's Chev, although the one difference is at least the GT-R has a ripper of an interior made of quality materials unlike the vette which has a daewoo Epica style/quality dash!

I agree 100% with that. However I don't think they're retards at all. I believe they get good dollars for what they write up about and I assume Nissan didn't pay anything as car speaks for itself!

It's always about the money!

Dave

[Max_ST-R]

Which one costs less? Does a few extra pieces of cow hide in the Porsche justify its price against the GTR?

Don't make an assumption that the 911 has a more luxurious or sumptious interior than a GT-R. What many people do not realise is that option list for interior trim fittings for all Porsches goes for at least 10 pages. The GT-R actually has leather trimmed dash as standard and if anything probaby comes with more standard 'cowhide' than a 911!.

Whenever you see a 911 with beautiful monocolour leather dash, steering wheel and seats, it's most likely a $5,000 option box has been ticked, then there are painted interior surfaces, leather sunvisors (around $1300 worth!). No, a standard Boxster, Cayman or 911 interior, whilst robust and high quality is fairly austere. The scope for factory customization for a 911 is vast...but remember it comes at a cost. It's quite easy to option up a Boxster or Cayman well past the asking price of the GT-R Premium ($152,800) and if you talk to owners many spend that kind of money too. A 3.6 911 is $219K + options and a Turbo is $360k + Options.

I know of at least one GT-R buyer awaiting delivery in April who originally cancelled a new 911 order. He's never bought a Nissan and let me tell you after spending time in 911's and Mercs he was in no way shape or form dsiappointed with the look, feel and presence of the GT-R!!!

[Helious]

I read the March Motor mag today at work. Even though on Mount Panorama it was almost 20-30 seconds slower then the modern V8 Super cars, those cars have been tuned and tested and tune and retuned and pulled apart and put back together and tune again for each any every race they go into. The amount on money and time spend of prepping the V8 supercars for a race in terms of man power is probably just as much as the race itself. The R35 GTR hasnt really been out that long, but already alot of power upgrade are on the way. Give the tuners their time and testing, and we will see the lap times slowly get lower. Also from what I also read in that mag, the next Bathurst 1000 will have a R35 as the pace car XD

The way I see it, as soon as the tuning shops start pulling apart the block itself (they might already be doing that) we will see the real hidden potential of the R35...well atleast I hope.

[Martin Donnon]

I hate to break it to you Helious, a V8 Supercar isnt the same as a Commodore you see on the street with a bit of tuning. Its a million dollar purpose built race car that these days is lucky to share one or two parts with the road car. An R35GTR on the other hand is an ADR compliant genuine road car....or at least ours is

I hope and pray people dont start pulling these cars apart, putting shit mods all over them and destroying them...thankfully those that would do such things are probably seven to ten years away from funding ownership....as happened with the R32 GTR, took around till 2000 for some to ruin them with crappy dumb mods when they were released in 1991. No need to panic yet then

[Helious]

I agree with you Martin, the V8 super cars are purpose built. But that is what make the R35 so amazing aswell, as it is ONLY less then a minute off the V8 super car laps, and its a street car. I can also imagine Nissan when designing the R35GTR also had durability in mind, as well as performance (no point having a car that keeps breaking its everything when its under warrenty).

If someone wants to go down the same road they did when they brought the R32GTR into bathurst, and Im also hoping they spare no expense and dont cut corners when it comes to any modifications they make, we can only wait and see. I dont mean to cause any arguments, all I'm saying that people will try to see how much power they can get out of the R35GTR. But seeing the performance figures for it factory, one would say Nissan knew what they were doing.

[sh@un]

sit in a base porsche 911 and a base GTR and tell me which has a better quality interior.

I've driven 997 Carreras and sat in an R35: GT-R craps all over Porsche for interior feel and modernity of design

[typevu]

sit in a base porsche 911 and a base GTR and tell me which has a better quality interior.

[DaGr81]

Let's see the v8 super cars run faster lap times with road tyres! And the gtr has less power and weighs more too...

[sewid]

sit in a base porsche 911 and a base GTR and tell me which has a better quality interior.

Heh... Do that yourself? It's not as obvious as the price tag suggests it should be.

[babyskyline]

Must be a good thing i havent sat in a 911 then

[G_T_R]

Let's see the v8 super cars run faster lap times with road tyres! And the gtr has less power and weighs more too...

???

[Max_ST-R]

I read the March Motor mag today at work. Even though on Mount Panorama it was almost 20-30 seconds slower then the modern V8 Super cars....

Heloius, maybe I missed something, but I thought I read the GT-R set a 2.25min lap time around MT Panorama and the V8 Supercar LAP RECORD is 2.07min, that's only 18 secs difference, to a Bone stock road car. One can only wonder what a Spec V can achieve.

I must actually buy this copy (I will today- I only had a quick read at the newsagents!), but what I want to know was this GT-R the 'Series II' 2009MY they tested?..that would be the car with 4 more kW and a number of suspension upgrades, the car that was noticeably quicker then the 'series 1' 2008MY GT-R when tested by Best Motoring last month?...or was it a 'series 1' 2008MY Grey import?

[kralster]

18 seconds is an eternity on a race track.

In that article they list the pole times for all the bathurt's races, and you'll see that even cars from the 1970's were faster than the GTR.