Meeting With Sapol

[Nene260RS]

according to Neil, a turbo timer means the car runs longer then the period of time "needed" to drive, therefore it increases pollution = major defect

I'm not agreeing... don't shoot the messenger

[heslo]

That is the silliest reason I've ever heard! That means me leaving my car to idle for a few minutes is defectable

[Nene260RS]

like i said Luke... just conveying what was said...

This is why it will be good to have him on here...

[heslo]

Haha, I know Nene, just couldn't help but laugh that's all

[D_Stirls]

  heslo said:

That is the silliest reason I've ever heard! That means me leaving my car to idle for a few minutes is defectable

Quote for Truth;

And that is why I want to see the documentation, not just here-say be it from a police officer or the general public.

[Dohmar]

  jenkies said:

why are turbo timers illeagle? alot of diesels and trucks have them standard

I've heard two arguments about TT's.

1. That anything that keeps a cars ignition running (aka a TT) can be fatal in a crash due to keeping the engine running while the ignition circuit is turned off (I really dont know about this)

2. TT's can leave a car turned on and unsupervised, which can be an issue if there are children in said vehicle.

There was another argument about TT's being legal as long as its part of your security system, but I really don't know

-D

[Martin Donnon]

Funny thing is Turbo Timers havent been required on Nissans since liquid cooled turbos were introduced....In other words if you drive your early model ET Pulsar hard then maybe, other than that they are dangerous wank with no fit purpose other than to keep Constable Neil busy

[Dohmar]

  Martin Donnon said:

Funny thing is Turbo Timers havent been required on Nissans since liquid cooled turbos were introduced....In other words if you drive your early model ET Pulsar hard then maybe, other than that they are dangerous wank with no fit purpose other than to keep Constable Neil busy

lol sweet. thats good to know ;D that'll save a bunch of people from buying them now one would hope

-D

[jenkies]

  Martin Donnon said:

Funny thing is Turbo Timers havent been required on Nissans since liquid cooled turbos were introduced....In other words if you drive your early model ET Pulsar hard then maybe, other than that they are dangerous wank with no fit purpose other than to keep Constable Neil busy

your assumption is a little infair... (edit) i have oil cooled turbos... hence my common sence tells me that when the turbos are hot if not let to cool down the oil will boil and harden in the lines?

[Madaz]

People still wont listen even though Martin knows what he's on about

[Martin Donnon]

If you need a Turbo Timer to protect your turbocharger(s) you shouldnt own a turbo car. With power comes responsibility

The best Turbo Timer is your head or the grey stuff in it.....

[jenkies]

c'mon matei dont think treating me like a child is neccessary.. i was asking a serious on topic question and yes i let my car warm and cool accordingly often withought using timer.. neway this is getting off topic

[Martin Donnon]

I didnt know/care you had oil cooled turbochargers, you added this good on you. We have 2 x GTRs with oil cooled turbochargers the slowest having run 9.5 @ 149.5mph, so there is no doubt they work.

In the old days oil cooled turbos needed to be cooled down to stop the oil carbonising/coking and binding the rear seal/blocking the oil feed. With todays modern synthetic oils this is a thing of the past (unless of course you use Homebrand in the engine). Dont worry about hardening the feed lines on a Skyline, they are steel - the harder the better There endeth todays lesson.

P.S. I am old I treat everyone as though they are younger than me, as they probably are

Edited February 16, 2009 by Martin Donnon

[MissR34]

im glad my car is N/A........

[joeleo87]

Mark if you dont want your GTR hard pipping hit me up lol

Turbo timers just cause problems when the police come over for a chat about your car. its not that hard to sit in it for an extra 40 seconds before you turn it off ;p

At the end of the day it seems easier to try and get along with the police then prove who is right.

[ovrtym33]

  RubyRS4 said:

Producing invoicing for work completed or at least 'safety checked' by a pro is the fair and proper way to do things. . The police would like to see evidence of a qualified professional doing the job.

so does this mean i have to keep all my receipts of all completed work by a "PRO" workshop in my glove box????

so if i get pulled over i just show the police officer them and he will be more lenient or even let you off???

i dont bloody think so!!!!

damn if this was true i'd go back to my old topmount set up!!!!

if u choose to modify your car then you take the risk of getting defected no matter what police officer it is, showing receipts wont change anything!!!

[SLAPS]

  ovrtym33 said:

if u choose to modify your car then you take the risk of getting defected no matter what police officer it is, showing receipts wont change anything!!!

Exactly, however Ruby is stating is that Neil shows respect for those that 'maintain' and have modifications performed by pro's as it cuts out the backyarder aspect out which 'can' be extremely dangerous.

There's no way of policing the backyarder so by simply stating if mods performed are by a pro (providing the mod is not a major mod) then you won't be bent over for stupid little things if it is suspected your car is just a 'little' unroadworthy. i.e slightly too low, tint or slightly loud exhaust.

If the Police decide to do a random inspection at one of the events regardless if people are behaving (which really should have been cleared up at the meeting) those with anything around the turbo area (different turbo elbow, different actuator etc) that doesn't look stock will be pinged. Suspected different turbo is considered a major mod.

Lets be honest, its Neil job to keep the roads clean and safe. High powered street cars can be extremely dangerous in the wrong hands.

Neil isn't to know if your daily 500hp+ car only see's full throttle at Mallala or down Anzac Dragway/Port road fri/sat nights.

Which brings me to highflows. Its easy to tell if a RB20/Rb25DET has a highflow. RB26DETT not so.

All it takes is a little measurement between the comp cover and turbine housing (from underneath). A trained eye and torch can pick it near instantly without having to measure.

So don't think your safe if you have a GT28,gt30 or slide t3/4 shoved in to your comp/turbine covers as its easily picked.

Unless your running the std turbo with only an intercooler, pod and exhaust its just a matter of time before they catch on and your pinged for 'engine modifications'

Edited February 16, 2009 by TheRogue

[Nene260RS]

  TheRogue said:

If the Police decide to do a random inspection at one of the events regardless if people are behaving (which really should have been cleared up at the meeting) those with anything around the turbo area (different turbo elbow, different actuator etc) that doesn't look stock will be pinged. Suspected different turbo is considered a major mod.

As i have already stated above, Neil advised that it "wouldn't be a regular thing"... So anyone with any sense would know there will always be the risk of being inspected. Reuben, Ben and i covered alot in the meeting, and i feel we've given adequate feedback... If anyone else thinks they can do a better job, then friggen go for it!!!!

[SkyHi_33]

  D_Stirls said:

Actually i am

and therefore;

i am better qualified.

and dont worry guys, you did a frigging great job! its just turning to specific things now which is something that needs to be discussed further with sapol etc... so fingers crossed neil joins up and we can have an open conversation about these things

Edited February 16, 2009 by tx3_90

[ovrtym33]

  TheRogue said:

If the Police decide to do a random inspection at one of the events regardless if people are behaving (which really should have been cleared up at the meeting) those with anything around the turbo area (different turbo elbow, different actuator etc) that doesn't look stock will be pinged. Suspected different turbo is considered a major mod.

i use to have a highmount set up and when neil popped my bonnet Neil said "everything looks standard" (the entire engine is black)...im like WTF????

but im sure he no's a hell alot more about "Modified cars" now

at the end of the day if neil or any officer defects u for a modified car then you gottr realise they are just their job "what they are employed to do"