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these are more for circuit work. the grooved ones you talk of are the ST115's, yes they are a different model, the st115's are better suited to street, i believe the ones for sale are like the bridgestone R540's or whatever they called.

bb godzilla, have you been using these on the street? how do they go when cold? i hear they need heat in them to grip or else they are slippery?

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