Joeyjoejoe's E85 Tuning Adventutres

[STATUS]

sorry if its been covered but why the ~200rpm difference in reaching full boost? actually different with e85 or just different ramp rate on the dyno?

interesting results, wish one of the servos would hurry up and start selling some over here, keen to experiment

Exact same ramp rate, the E85 seemed slightly lazier but here is another graph which is more indicative as the two runs i've listed here were within 5mins (the time to swap fuels)

Edited December 2, 2009 by URAS

[Lithium]

sorry if its been covered but why the ~200rpm difference in reaching full boost? actually different with e85 or just different ramp rate on the dyno?

I've never really thought too hard about the cause of this kind of thing when tuning with alcohol but it definitely happens. I'd say at least part of the reason would be the increased (even if just slightly) amount of volume passing through the engine and as such, through the exhaust system.

We got 200rpm better spool when we tuned an RB20DET R32 running a T3/T4 on an E33 mix recently, interestingly we got an extra 40wkw on roughly the same boost level with that conservative a mixture of ethanol - and making big modifications to the fuel system wasn't needed either. I'm quite tempted to do such a tune for my Skyline...

[wolverine]

Exact same ramp rate, the E85 seemed slightly lazier but here is another graph which is more indicative as the two runs i've listed here were within 5mins (the time to swap fuels)

Trent do you know where the cam gear were set? Joey previously indicated they had been adjusted and I am curious where they ended up.

[dano4127]

[(OO)SKYLINE(OO)]

Lackin' in the volt..?

[Guilt-Toy]

Looking at the results of this thread has got me pretty excited and pretty bummed out at the same time.

Bummed out because I do not have access to any ethanol in this country (if you have kept up with my current adventure you would understand) .. Excited because I can see all the testing and time I have invested in e85 last year is paying off, there seems to be a big e85 trend going on since I stuck my neck out and tested this stuff in my car, Just search for E85 on google.com.au and you will see how many other forums are linked to us here at SAU.

Looking at the results from Trent @ Status Tuning - URAS has backed up everything that I have found on my initial testing of the fuel. I found a 40 - 50 rwkw increase with my setup but I was using a bigger turbo charger so you cannot compare them with this setup 100% but it does show that when you have a experienced tuner working with this fuel you can see major gains with no other modifcations as long as the fuel system is up to the task then you will have gains all across the board.

It is good to see that you guys are still working on this boost juice, without the support of tuners like Trent and enthusiasts like Joe Joe, Nytsky and Now the all famous Dirtgarage (AKA Twoogle and Mark Jacobson @ Godzilla and a few others like Yavus @ Unigroup Engineering and even JEM) it really puts SAU first in line in Australia for for this remarkable race gas in a pump for only 0.99c a litre.

So yeah, I am sure I do not only speak for myself when this warm fuzzy feeling of E85 love gets its share of internet hits... Its because of tuners and and enthusiasts like us who make it happen.

Keep up the good work! Someone needs to try and and push a complete stock RB25DET to as much power as possible with this fuel... are you up for the mission Trent? Can anyone say 400rwkw ?

[STATUS]

Yup sponsorship drive is on for next year, dont be suprised if its sexyland, AMI, 4SEASONS etc.... AMI's nasal delivery spray budget is huge... how many billboards are around? 1000's. If you look next to it you can see wrigleys and haynes manuals are also listed

Edited December 3, 2009 by URAS

[dano4127]

ok ill pay that

[STATUS]

ok ill pay that

haha i had to edit the first one as i thought you picked up my spelling mistake "tuune"....... then i realised it wasnt that funny.... so i looked again and pissed my self lol

Lucky the rest werent on there let out my trade secrets on sponsorship..

[Silvia GTR]

Thats funny, you got some good eyes

[R31 POWER]

Good results! I have the exact set at minus the e85. Just wondering why these turbos cant hold 20psi to limiter? Always seem to full away

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

that's most likely my single solenoid ebc.... i really dont mind pushing a little less boost @ 7k tho

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

Looking at the results of this thread has got me pretty excited and pretty bummed out at the same time.

Bummed out because I do not have access to any ethanol in this country (if you have kept up with my current adventure you would understand) .. Excited because I can see all the testing and time I have invested in e85 last year is paying off, there seems to be a big e85 trend going on since I stuck my neck out and tested this stuff in my car, Just search for E85 on google.com.au and you will see how many other forums are linked to us here at SAU.

Looking at the results from Trent @ Status Tuning - URAS has backed up everything that I have found on my initial testing of the fuel. I found a 40 - 50 rwkw increase with my setup but I was using a bigger turbo charger so you cannot compare them with this setup 100% but it does show that when you have a experienced tuner working with this fuel you can see major gains with no other modifcations as long as the fuel system is up to the task then you will have gains all across the board.

It is good to see that you guys are still working on this boost juice, without the support of tuners like Trent and enthusiasts like Joe Joe, Nytsky and Now the all famous Dirtgarage (AKA Twoogle and Mark Jacobson @ Godzilla and a few others like Yavus @ Unigroup Engineering and even JEM) it really puts SAU first in line in Australia for for this remarkable race gas in a pump for only 0.99c a litre.

So yeah, I am sure I do not only speak for myself when this warm fuzzy feeling of E85 love gets its share of internet hits... Its because of tuners and and enthusiasts like us who make it happen.

Keep up the good work! Someone needs to try and and push a complete stock RB25DET to as much power as possible with this fuel... are you up for the mission Trent? Can anyone say 400rwkw ?

gonna go e85 on my ke70 too.... what kinda gain ya recon i'll see on an n/a 4age with quads and cams?

[Guilt-Toy]

gonna go e85 on my ke70 too.... what kinda gain ya recon i'll see on an n/a 4age with quads and cams?

no idea! But will be very interested in what you find with the NA engines and E85

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

well as soon as i can afford an ecu and cams i'll be posting the results in my thread

any idea what kind of gains the holden boys have been seeing?

i really want to try to get it to around 120rwkw n/a

the other idea i was toying with was dedicated gas...

[SimonR32]

joey how much headroom do your injectors have with that power and e85?

[Marko R1]

well i have the fuel system & injectors to run e85 as i always planned on running this e85 stuff 1 day - my tuner also recommends it he told me about an increase of 50-70awkw would be within reach for my setup which equates to approx. 15-20% power increase...looking at joejoe's results this seems about right!

if only i could get this fuel from more than 1 servo in sydney (united in drummoyne) i'd be in @ my knees

oh & congrats joejoe on your results!

[ashneel]

thats sick Hamish

Trent will you be able to tune mine with E85 with the new injectors??? (its Ash White R34 GTT)

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

any car stands to make an increase, turbo cars moreso...... you have a highflow setup yes ash? if so expect a 280ish result

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

cerbera, there's not that much left in my injectors, but enough to be well safe...

uras can probably quote the figures