Joeyjoejoe's E85 Tuning Adventutres

[NickR33]

damn... I'm nowhere near maxing them out at 360rwkw though... a little pressure bump would help... I'm not entering any dyno comps anytime soon so not too fussed with overall figure... just bang for buck there can't be many better ways to get another 30-40rwkw!... and its so close to my place I could run E85 all the time:)

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

its still worth it as its not just top end power...

on pulp i make 160rwkw @ 3500ish revs and on e85 i make 200rwkw

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

also guilt never used an FPR

[boostn0199]

When you say that you change in between tunes for petrol and e85 do you have to adjust your CAS aswell?

[NickR33]

its still worth it as its not just top end power...

on pulp i make 160rwkw @ 3500ish revs and on e85 i make 200rwkw

wow that's a huge improvement... I bet you can really feel that on the road too

[seraphyn_r33]

Thanks for clearing that up Ash, it was as i expected

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

When you say that you change in between tunes for petrol and e85 do you have to adjust your CAS aswell?

nope... just drain fuel, plug in the datalogit and the laptop, load the new map and reattach the fuel lines

wow that's a huge improvement... I bet you can really feel that on the road too

ooooh yeah! its a totally different car to drive.... much harder on the nitto's tho

[Drift Motorsport]

http://www.zeitronix.com/Products/ECA/ECA.htm

This is an interesting product for those running alcohol fuels and want to map against fuel content.

Zeitronix sell the display for a GM flex fuel sensor that you can buy for around $300 AUD delivered from the USA.

It has a 0-5v analogue output so you can map a compensation map for E10 all the way to E100 and any variance in between (winter v summer blends) on your ECU. The motec could be mapped for fuel and timing in accordance to a % trim factor for a basic map out to protect the engine or a multi map for trimming at specific load sites, ie: load v rpm v alcohol

I have heard mixed reports regarding the southland E85, with a EVO not picking up the extra power (only 7kw) as much as the CSR ethanol from united in hoppers.

Regarding Phase Separation and E85s affinity for water absorption - has anyone experienced any problems with stored E85 for over a month? Reason being I would be more inclined to fill up a 205L drum of the stuff for a track day or just to fill up myself at the workshop. http://www.fuel-testers.com/expiration_of_ethanol_gas.html states that E10 has a shelf life of around 60-90 days due to the ethanol content (10%) wanting to absorb water. E85 could have a shelf life of around 3-4 weeks given its high ethanol content?

[scotty nm35]

I have heard this too, but I dont see how it could absorb enough moisture from the air to cause an issue, as long as its stored in a sealed container. I have stored straight ethanol for years and it still burns and smells the same, vented tank would be different.

That Zeitronix box could be good for me, for mixing my own blends. It could be plugged into the Emanage input to control another map. Thanks for the find.

[Rolls]

It has a 0-5v analogue output so you can map a compensation map for E10 all the way to E100 and any variance in between (winter v summer blends) on your ECU. The motec could be mapped for fuel and timing in accordance to a % trim factor for a basic map out to protect the engine or a multi map for trimming at specific load sites, ie: load v rpm v alcohol

Are there any other ECUs that allow adding an extra axis to the fuel/timing map?

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

at home i store my ethanol in a sunoco tin, which is airtight, and i keep them on milk crates so the airflows and the temps don't vary too much

as far as the southland ethanol not making the power, that would be the fault of the tune on the day (tuner, weather, how well the tank was drained.. etc) or the motor itself or the mods... the stuff has a higher octane rating, and is made by a bigger ethanol manufacturer who have previously only dealt in performance fuels...

as noted in my car, and daniel's car - same power... exactly

also in my car - 10% less fuel - 5 deg less timing was required (daniel's was similar, but i'm not 100% on the exact details)

[SS8_Gohan]

yeah a few lines were wiggly.... Trent made them straight

and power was i think exactly the same, give or take perhaps .1 or .2 rwkw

[JonnoHR31]

Are there any other ECUs that allow adding an extra axis to the fuel/timing map?

vipec

[STATUS]

vipec

among just about every aftermarket ecu

[2rismo]

Have ordered several 200L drums of Manildra E85 lately and love it. Who else is using their stuff?

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

manildra is the southland stuff... (powerplus)

so ss8 gohan and I are both using it

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

among just about every aftermarket ecu

cept the one most of us use

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

at work today i noticed that our flour is made by manildra group... so that pretty much confirms the wheat ethanol thing

[STATUS]

at work today i noticed that our flour is made by manildra group... so that pretty much confirms the wheat ethanol thing

i found a nice new jerry @ work

let me know when you want it back...

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

lol, i remembered it about 5 mins after i left....

i'll grab it probably 2mo